Mac OS 9 Lives
Mac OS 9 Discussion => Hardware => CPU Upgrades => Topic started by: UnSoNiC on May 03, 2015, 07:40:12 AM
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Hello,
I have a G4 (model M8570 EMC 1914) with firewire 800 and Sonnet Encore/ST 2*1,8Ghz processor.
I have intsalled the Mac OS 9 for unsupported systems and it doesn't work with the Sonnet processor. It starts but it freezes at start (i put a photo at the moment it freezes).
When I change the processor with the original one that is the 2*1,25Ghz processor, everything's fine. The problem is only there with the Sonnet processor.
Can somebody tell me what's wrong?
Thank you
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those sonnets can boot OS9, but they require 10.3.9 or 10.4 in order to get in touch with the latest firmware/boot rom.
has this computer been booting into OSX before? thats the next thing to try: boot this machine one or two times into panther and see if it can boot into OS9 afterwards.
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which video card is installed
have u tried booting with extensions off (hold shift)
i would agree with IIO.
u probably need to install some firmware modification
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Did you install the Open Firmware "patch" that makes Mac OS 9 think you have a supported G4 CPU installed? It won't boot with the Sonnet CPU without the patch and just hang as you describe it.
Download the .sit file attached. Launch it in Mac OS 9 with the old CPU installed. Shut down the machine when the install is done and put in the Sonnet CPU.
From the picture it looks like you have some kind of Sonnet extension installed already... Try reinstalling the Sonnet software perhaps.
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The machine is starting perfectly with mac os x, patch has been done ... I tried to reinstall the patch under mac os 9 with the old processor but it tells me that the patch has already been done. It boots with mac os 9 but freezes at starting.
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that icon is the extension for the sonnet cpu upgrade. Big BUT is if he flashed before installing the whole thing. besides that is the cpu upgrade compatible with your machine ?
i bought one before and never thought about that really and was trying to install it in my mdd and it doesnt work in that machine at all.
btw as you mention you got a very odd combination already > os9 for unsupported machines and then a cpu upgrade on top < i dont think anybody tested that before. i believe that unsupported image works pretty well with a stock machine but any hardware changes could render it useless
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The CPU is compatible with my machine cause it works perfectly with mac os x. It just doesn't boot correctly with mac os 9. I don't know why ...
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have you thought about the os9 install for a unsupported mac ?
your mac doesnt qualify to run os9 in the first place right ?
can you boot into os9 without that extension installed ?
you might have to take a hit and use the stock cpu or get a qicksilver if you need that cpu installed. i had to do the same thing but i can boot into os9 with the sonnet encore
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Yes i have installed mac os 9 for unsupported mac. It starts perfectly with the old processor but not with the Sonnet processor
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thats what im saying get a quicksilver and use that sonnet cpu in that machine. you will see it works. but i have my doubts about this odd combination with your fw800
i have that 1.8ghz cpu installed in my machine and it works for osx/os9 but it had to be at least a quicksilver
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Hello,
I have a G4 (model M8570 EMC 1914) with firewire 800 and Sonnet Encore/ST 2*1,8Ghz processor.
Pull out the Sonnet Encore/ST 2*1,8 Ghz processor. Immediately. It can damage your MDD motherboard!
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why could it damage the motherboard ? It runned on mac os 10.5 for years without problem.
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there was no way for me to flash the machine with one of my mdd's. the tool refused to do it so if he has a mdd i dont know how he got it managed to flash. there is a different version for mdd's and xserve's available or lets say was.
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why could it damage the motherboard ? It runned on mac os 10.5 for years without problem.
your machine doesn not support os9 officially. from what i gather the os9 image for unsupported macs does require a slight change on your firmware. that cpu needs a firmware patch aswell. i dont know how they work together but so far i can tell this wont go anywhere.
this is not a intel where you just check if the socket can hold the cpu. your mac has certain limitations and that cpu wont lift them. even if it fits it doesnt mean you should install it.
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For the firmware, the Sonnet cpu needs Boot Rom 4.4.8f2 or higher. On my machine, it's 4.5.7f1
I think like you said that it's a problem between the Mac Os 9 for unsupported machines and the Sonnet CPU.
I have at the studio a 5870 EMC1914 machine with firewire 400 and no firewire 800. I'm going to try on this machine with a "classic" Mac OS9 installation because this machine is Mac OS9 bootable.
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do you have the box for that cpu upgrade ?
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Is it really a Sonnet Encore/ST unit an not a Sonnet Encore/MDX? Can you take a picture of it and post on the forum? Im just really curious. The ST was never supported for the MDD G4's, that's why MacTron wanted you to remove it from the computer.
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Oh sorry, I realize at the time that I made a mistake in the subject title! :o
It's a Sonnet Encore / MDX G4 Duet 2*1.8Mhz for Power Mac G4 MDD
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It makes more sense now ;). Thanks for the update.
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Oh sorry, I realize at the time that I made a mistake in the subject title! :o
It's a Sonnet Encore / MDX G4 Duet 2*1.8Mhz for Power Mac G4 MDD
It's OK now.
... but don't try to test this CPU on a QuickSilver or other non MDD (or xServe) Mac ... LOL
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http://www.sonnettech.com/support/downloads/manuals/xg4d_qsg.pdf
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Back on the topic:
If your Mac successfully boot from the "unsupported install CD" then
you have to remove the multiprocessor folder from the Extensions folder.
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if u have done all the steps to properly patch the firmware..
perhaps u have an incompatible X only video card installed...
as the freeze at that specific location is exactly what i experienced using
the 9200 LE video card & radeon 9800 pro **with the radeon extensions loaded**
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if the screenshot shows where the system stops responding then you might have a starting point
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The CPU is compatible with my machine cause it works perfectly with mac os x.
i think what he was asking is if sonnet calls it officially compatible with this computer.
tho i dont think that it would work in OSX if it is not compatible with the computer .. but you never know. :)
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this was said because the encore/ST is not mdd compatible...
the original poster mistook the name of the cpu upgrade as being ST instead of MDX
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Did you get and install the updated "Apple CPU Plugins" extension from Sonnet?
I had the exact same symptom with my MDD until I found this. It was developed by Sonnet but never made it into the literature and it seems when they stopped producing the MDX, the only guys who knew about it were in support and they've all either left the company or forgotten about it.
Just Replace "Apple CPU Plug-ins" extension with this extension in:
System/System Folder/Extensions/Multiprocessing
Worked for me…
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and here is a version with resource fork: http://www.vintagecomp.com/sell/Sonnet/updatedCPU.sit
:)
this is not from sonnet nor from the OS 8 universal install - this is hack, but people report it works.
i found an older post at ADC where someone said that sonnet once told him the update (or actually downgrade) of the cpu plug-in is sometimes not installed properly due to a faulty sonnet installer.
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and here is a version with resource fork: http://www.vintagecomp.com/sell/Sonnet/updatedCPU.sit
Chill dude, it's exactly the same thing. I got mine from a support guy at Sonnet AND it's not a hack AND it's a CPUP Resource - It has ONLY a resource fork and no DATA fork which was, since it was small enough, I posted uncompressed and intact. Match them up in ResEdit if you like.
The MDX installer does NOT install this CPUP. It only installs the "Sonnet Processor Upgrade" extension. That's the one with the leading space in it's name so it loads first. As far as I can tell, all it does is create the little "Cresendo" animation at startup (If you have a Sonnet, you'll know what I mean). I have two separate OS9 system folders on different partitions and they both boot the MDX just fine - with or without that extension.
Had the MDDs stayed around a little longer, the CPUP would have undoubtedly been integrated into the installer, but it was only an problem if you tried to boot OS9 natively. The very few people who called in with that issue were provided with it and everything was hunky-dory. At least until now...
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It has ONLY a resource fork
yeah, i can tell, it is zero kilobytes long. :)
Had the MDDs stayed around a little longer, the CPUP would have undoubtedly been integrated into the installer, but it was only an problem if you tried to boot OS9 natively.
sonnet says that there are so many versions of this file by apple that were not able to take care of all of these. a bit strange if you ask me. one always thinks that a company like sonnet will test their stuff before releasing, it is not like there were 17 different models of MDD.
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perhaps it would be best for us to take matters into our own hands and ensurethat this gets added to the unsupported hardware installer in place of the multiprocessor extension? rather then having to instruct thousands of people to do the same..
as there may be some that dont even bother to ask for help and just give up thinking that it doesnt work
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should be veryfied first. the key is unsupported in this case. you start with a machine that doesnt support os9 unless you use it within osx and then you need to patch the firmware again to support a cpu from a third party.
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posting files uncompressed is fine.. but please, at least encode to macbinary (.bin) or binhex (.hqx)
http://www.mac.org/utilities/macbinary/
simply drop a MacBinary file on it and it will be decoded, drop any other file or folder on it and it will be encoded.
MacBinary is a binary (non-text) format that encodes Macintosh files so that they can be safely stored or transfered through non-Macintosh systems. MacBinary combines the two forks of a Mac file, together with the file information (Name, Creator Application, File Type, etc) into a single binary data stream, suitable for storage on non-Mac systems. This serves a simmilar purpose to BinHex, except that BinHex takes things even further and stores the file using only text characters, so that the file will be preserved on almost any system, and can be sent through Email or USENET News without loss or corruption.
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it should be veryfied before you advise somebody to use it. do you know if that combo works stable ?
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Hello,
Thank you everybody for the help! Everything works fine now :D
Here's what I did to make everything work:
1. I changed the Mac OS ROM 10.2.1 with Macintosh ROM 10.2.1v1 "Generic", you can find it here (with an extension called Insomnia):
https://www.thinkclassic.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4504#p4504
2. I replaced the "Apple CPU Plugins" extension with the one you told me to download.
The only thing that is not working properly is my ATI Radeon 9600 Pro because there is no driver for Mac OS 9 :(
It works but the possibilities that you have with that card on Mac OS X are very limited when you are on Mac OS 9.
Have anyone information to operate the ATI Radeon 9600 Pro correctly with Mac OS 9?
I tried to replace the 9600 Pro by a NVIDIA Ge Force 4600 Ti and everything's fine with that graphic card.
So again, thank you to everyone for your help ;)
Next step, I will try to install Pro Tools 5.1.3 TDM with the Digidesign expansion chassis 13 slots with inside 1 Mix Core, 6 Mix Farms and 3 DSP Farms :)
I will keep you informed but that's for later because I have a lot of work for the moment :o
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congrats Unsonic.. 8)
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Sorry to necro an old thread, but I have been trying to find the download mentioned here without any success.
Does anyone still have a copy of the Apple CPU Plugin file originally located at http://www.vintagecomp.com/sell/Sonnet/updatedCPU.sit ? Thank you!!
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This is direct from Sonnet. Replace the one in the Multiprocessing folder with this.
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THANK YOU! That was fast! :)
Just out of curiosity - this is different from the 2.7 version of the official Apple CPU Plugin file, correct?
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THANK YOU! That was fast! :)
Just out of curiosity - this is different from the 2.7 version of the official Apple CPU Plugin file, correct?
I don't know for sure. We have to find the official Apple plugging and compare with this one.
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I can confirm, as I reported elsewhere on this forum, that this file works correctly on MDD FW800 with Sonnet MDX dual 1.8 and OS 9. It's a very speedy arrangement. I really think it would be helpful to get this file added into the Universal 9.2.2 disc image, at least in another folder with a SimpleText note about it. I had to attach my boot drive to another computer in order to work around the default version causing an unavoidable freeze, not to mention a separate headache related to the base ATI drivers not being up to date enough while also having the Rage driver present by default causing yet another unexpected freeze with my Radeon card.
It would be nice to know what's really going on inside these CPU Plugin files. I'm curious if there would be anything to gain from deciphering what was patched and applying that to a later version of the file. Does anyone here know how to disassemble and interpret that file?
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I can confirm, as I reported elsewhere on this forum, that this file works correctly on MDD FW800 with Sonnet MDX dual 1.8 and OS 9. It's a very speedy arrangement. I really think it would be helpful to get this file added into the Universal 9.2.2 disc image, at least in another folder with a SimpleText note about it. I had to attach my boot drive to another computer in order to work around the default version causing an unavoidable freeze, not to mention a separate headache related to the base ATI drivers not being up to date enough while also having the Rage driver present by default causing yet another unexpected freeze with my Radeon card.
It would be nice to know what's really going on inside these CPU Plugin files. I'm curious if there would be anything to gain from deciphering what was patched and applying that to a later version of the file. Does anyone here know how to disassemble and interpret that file?
Something I have been slowly checking on for a while. By slowly I mean it's on my radar and I've peeked at the file.
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THANK YOU! That was fast! :)
Just out of curiosity - this is different from the 2.7 version of the official Apple CPU Plugin file, correct?
Yes it is different. It is a modified version from Sonnet. Nobody seems to know exactly what's different about it but it likely has something to do with the fact that the Encore uses a 7447a chip instead of a 7450.
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I can confirm, as I reported elsewhere on this forum, that this file works correctly on MDD FW800 with Sonnet MDX dual 1.8 and OS 9. It's a very speedy arrangement. I really think it would be helpful to get this file added into the Universal 9.2.2 disc image, at least in another folder with a SimpleText note about it. I had to attach my boot drive to another computer in order to work around the default version causing an unavoidable freeze, not to mention a separate headache related to the base ATI drivers not being up to date enough while also having the Rage driver present by default causing yet another unexpected freeze with my Radeon card.
It would be nice to know what's really going on inside these CPU Plugin files. I'm curious if there would be anything to gain from deciphering what was patched and applying that to a later version of the file. Does anyone here know how to disassemble and interpret that file?
Something I have been slowly checking on for a while. By slowly I mean it's on my radar and I've peeked at the file.
I had a squiz too. CPUP resources are PEFs that get linked by the Code Fragment Manager then somehow (definitely via the syscall interface) get served up to the Nanokernel. They abstract a a lot of power management functions. Possibly they replace the code in the idle task.
Are Sonnet still in business? I'd kill for the source code to of those things.
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Are Sonnet still in business? I'd kill for the source code to those things.
www.sonnettech.com (http://www.sonnettech.com)
Not sure if anyone versed in the older stuff is still working there though.