the search for sata-os9 bootable firmware+card combination

[supernova777]

http://lowendmac.com/thompson/06/1117.html

this article somewhat confirms that this owc sata pci card does indeed
boot mac os 9!

if only we could find one:/

[supernova777]

wiebetech cards are on this page
http://web.archive.org/web/20060620221512/http://www.wiebetech.com/products/pci.php


some of us know of this card..
the originaly place where the 125KB bootable in X firmware was found

while on this topic i will atach this file incase it decides to dissappear
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1690231
this is the firmware u can use to flash a sil3112 card to be tiger/panther compatible

wow
look at this
http://web.archive.org/web/20081122053301/http://www.wiebetech.com/webtech.php?sfid=133&pcode=TC-PCI
wiebetech firmwares:D
both here

[supernova777]

heres an important catch by dougg3 on 68kMLA re the correct wording of the silicon image chips
he says the actual spelling of the silicon image chip name is actually "SiI"
("Si" for Silicon, then uppercase "i" standing for "Image") instead of Sil "first 3 letters of Silicon"
 so its not S I L its actually S I I ..

BTW, although this isn't really relevant to the technical aspect of getting it working, I have to bring this up because it bugs me now that I'm looking back at my old posts on this topic. landonf has the naming of this chip correct. I had it wrong in the posts I linked to above. I thought the chip's name began with S, lowercase I, lowercase L (Sil3112), but it's actually S, lowercase I, uppercase I (SiI3112). Si for Silicon, I for Image. Maybe writing it both ways here will help Googlers find us :-) -- https://mac68k.info/forums/message.jspa?messageID=1109#1109

[supernova777]

i found this card that has the rom chip already in a socket
so to flash this card to 1s2 firmware would be really easy.. just order a 040 chip + pop it in
and reflash!! (if voltage settings are ok that is)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/I-O-FLEX-Serial-ATA-Dual-Channel-PCI-Host-Controller-/251154039172

its called the io flex psa150 card or FLEX IO-PSA150
i have also seen it under the name brand koutech + harmony but with the same IO-PSA150 code

[MacTron]

i found this card that has the rom chip already in a socket
so to flash this card to 1s2 firmware would be really easy.. just order a 040 chip + pop it in
and reflash!! (if voltage settings are ok that is)

You are a lucky guy!

I've unsuccessfully searched for this one ...

[supernova777]

it would be really lucky if its already got a 4mbit flash chip but i think it was said that it has to be MX macronix of PMC chip

[max1zzz]

Mathey Msata-13UMAC

Thats the holy grail if you can find that card, it uses the cheap as hell Via 6421A chip. Get that card and it's cheap sata cards for us all

And just to put this out there (i already mentioned this to  chrisNova777) if there is enough interest i could make a batch of the mac bootable Sil 3112 cards for perhaps £10 each

[supernova777]

we need someone whos japanese then we could find these cards
they are all sold by mathey.jp but most are discontinued 

http://www.mathey.jp/SerialATA.html

japan needs craiglist, in english:) lol

[MacTron]

And just to put this out there (i already mentioned this to  chrisNova777) if there is enough interest i could make a batch of the mac bootable Sil 3112 cards for perhaps £10 each

If you make it, I wish to buy couple of them too.
BTW: if you are the same guy behind "Max1zzz's classic mac server", thank you, I've visited your great server in several occasions ...

... and welcome to "Mac Os 9 Lives"!

[supernova777]

Mathey Msata-13UMAC

Thats the holy grail if you can find that card, it uses the cheap as hell Via 6421A chip. Get that card and it's cheap sata cards for us all

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ACARD-AEC-6293-PCI-1-CH-eSATA-1-CH-SATA-1-CH-PATA-Adapter-/261304968523
i wonder if it could work with the acard firmware.. using it to flash a generic via chip
compare the size f the chip it looks like acard has used a via chip rebranded as acard ..

[max1zzz]

And just to put this out there (i already mentioned this to  chrisNova777) if there is enough interest i could make a batch of the mac bootable Sil 3112 cards for perhaps £10 each

If you make it, I wish to buy couple of them too.
BTW: if you are the same guy behind "Max1zzz's classic mac server", thank you, I've visited your great server in several occasions ...

... and welcome to "Mac Os 9 Lives"!

Yes i am, thanks

I will look at getting a batch of the cards ordered soon, just need the money to do so...

compare the size f the chip it looks like acard has used a via chip rebranded as acard ..

It might well be a rebranded via chip, so it's always worth getting one and dumping the firmware

[supernova777]

i have the 6880M 2xPATA, and the 6885M 4xPATA and the 6290M (2xSATA)

i think u can just download the acard firmware frm somewhere let me look

[MacTron]

I will look at getting a batch of the cards ordered soon, just need the money to do so...

I can send you the money in advance...

BTW:
  =  ?


A Mathey Serial ATA Card may be a re-packaged Firmtek card...

[supernova777]

A Mathey Serial ATA Card may be a re-packaged Firmtek card...

this may be true in 1 or 2 cases but also not in some cases...
firmtek's japanese cards are under the "ratoc" brand i think the "Ratoc" cards are all firmtek firmware.
im pretty sure i  heard this directly from a firmtek rep, that ratoc is their company aswell.. or that they have a deal with them
to distribute their cards in japan.

re: mathey/macally THATS why i think this is so familiar..
i saw a picture of a mosue with the logo on it and i swore i have seen these before..
it looks too similar/idential to be a coincidence

http://www.ratocsystems.com/products/subpage/pci15pm.html
i would love to have a 3/1 setup like this card.. 1 esata, 3 internal,
for me this is ideal because u can have 1 external highspeed drive, 1 internal ssd boot, and then a dual raid for fast loading of samples
even firmtek doesnt sell a card with this set up.. u would have to get a 1v4 + 1 esata mounting bracket.. or perhaps a solution would be
to have a front 3.5" under the cd with a esata port there.. so u dont have to take up a pci slot for bracket for esata port.

[Jakl]

I will look at getting a batch of the cards ordered soon, just need the money to do so...

I can send you the money in advance...

BTW:
  =  ?


A Mathey Serial ATA Card may be a re-packaged Firmtek card...

Mactron why not put it to the group and we all put in for the cards and help Mathey since he's offering to help? We probably just need to find the cards and know how many people are interested in this so we know how many cards we need for this.

[supernova777]

heres a highres image of the mathey card
u can clearly see that it has a .5 Mbit chip on it

also a pdf datasheet:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050516152711/http://www.mathey.jp/download/MSATA-P02MAC.pdf

this card began being sold in October 2003.

[supernova777]

http://www.mac-paradise.com/htmls/4538124004285-1.html
can anyone read japanese?

[max1zzz]

mactron, that's good with me I just need to go and price up what the cards and chips cost

but what jakl suggests might be a good idea, if there's enough people interested i will order a lot of 10 or so

chrisNova777, did you find the firmware? i have a bunch of via6421's sitting around

[supernova777]

chrisNova777, did you find the firmware? i have a bunch of via6421's sitting around

are they expendable guinea pig cards? 

http://www.acard.com/english/fc01.jsp

select product model "aec-6293M" (2 sata + 1 pata) "M" at the end indicates mac version


are these the cards u have?
these ones seem to have 3 sata + 1 pata




atp-8620 http://www.acard.com/english/fb01-area.jsp?idno_no=3&prod_no=ATP-8620&type1_title=IC&type1_idno=1

its either via or promise..

[supernova777]

http://dl.acard.com/manual/english/aec-6290m.pdf (2 x sata /w hardware level raid 0,1)