Mac OS 9 Lives
General => Off Topic => Topic started by: DieHard on June 02, 2021, 10:25:34 AM
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I don't know how many of you saw that we were offline for the last 48 hours, but apparently GoDaddy saw the member download files on thier server as a breach of contract. So I had to nuke the entire Library for them to re-activate the site.
This is the last straw with these fucking assholes, I paid extra money over the last 4 years to move the content to their "WorkGroup" storage only for it to become unusable over the last year due to browser TLS issues so I moved it directly to the main server and it worked great for about a month until they flagged it.
My Web hosting plan is for unlimited storage and domains, yet they see the Mac OS 9 stuff as a violation :(
Things are not looking too good right now for the future of the site, all downloads are gone, months of work down the drain, and I am not sure if I can move the SQL database to a new server.
It was sure great while it lasted
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I don't know how many of you saw that we were offline for the last 48 hours, but apparently GoDaddy saw the member download files on thier server as a breach of contract. So I had to nuke the entire Library for them to re-activate the site.
I hadn't noticed that. May be I was seeing a cached version of the site...
This is the last straw with these fucking assholes, I paid extra money over the last 4 years to move the content to their "WorkGroup" storage only for it to become unusable over the last year due to browser TLS issues so I moved it directly to the main server and it worked great for about a month until they flagged it.
My Web hosting plan is for unlimited storage and domains, yet they see the Mac OS 9 stuff as a violation :(
>:(
Things are not looking too good right now for the future of the site, all downloads are gone, months of work down the drain, and I am not sure if I can move the SQL database to a new server.
That sounds really bad... all the hard work to the trash. I'm sure that the downloads was one of the first thing of interest for many users ... :'(
It was sure great while it lasted
Yes it was ... :-\
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I have a backup of all the downloads from 2018 or so. Not great, but at least it's something. From when I hosted the Hotline server.
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I saw the error message this morning. I thought that someone had just forgotten to renew something or other and didn't see any messages on other Mac sites so guessed it was a temporary blip rather than the Interweb Grim Reaper calling.
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Hey, I run the 68kMLA (https://68kmla.org/forums/profile/35-cory5412/) -- I joined today to say that this is a real bummer.
I presume that there's backups of the files? Could you upload them to MacGarden/Repo/InternetArchive or something like http://vtools.68kmla.org/ (http://vtools.68kmla.org/) ? (DM me here, on 68kMLA, or email me coryw at stenoweb dot net for a vtools account.) (I've also been workshopping possibly having public access shares that don't require auth but that's a different conversation for a different place (https://68kmla.org/forums/forum/35-vtools/).)
If you're thinking about not running the site any more and it's possible to build a static copy of it, I'd be interesting in rehosting the forums on the MLA's infrastructure. I can't gaurantee or promise or really even offer anything in terms of hosting the actual running site and database, but similar to how we have our Old Snitz Archive if you wanted to make a static copy of the site I'd be happy to host that. In addition, if there's still active work, I can make a project-oriented subforum for it on the MLA itself.
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Hey, I run the 68kMLA -- I joined today to say that this is a real bummer.
Yeah, it's always something, but such is life
I presume that there's backups of the files? Could you upload them to MacGarden/Repo/InternetArchive or something like http://vtools.68kmla.org/ ?
Yes, there are backups, but re-uploading 150+GB is always a pain
Anyone that can give myself and the moderators (4 FTP accounts total) access to a server would be great, we need the ability to upload the content and create links to our boards via the full URL path to the file or folder, a separate server is not neceaary, maybe just a dedicated area for about 150GB
If you're thinking about not running the site any more and it's possible to build a static copy of it...
I am just really mad at GoDaddy, they have literally the worst customer service, but I think I will bite my lip and deal with it.
It's not just my time, it's the core members here that have sacrificed both time and money that have made this all possible.
They have maintained and updated, via their rare knowledge, some pretty hard-to-find solutions for those that simply can't find this info anywhere else.
So I think, I will just smoke a large joint, calm down, and keep the current database/forum alive.
As far as dowloads... anyone that wants to host the files can PM me if they can provide us with a small set of FTP accounts.
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I don't know how many of you saw that we were offline for the last 48 hours, but apparently GoDaddy saw the member download files on thier server as a breach of contract. So I had to nuke the entire Library for them to re-activate the site.
I saw the block of the site from this morning.
Now I am happy to see it is back online, even with troubles.
It was sure great while it lasted
Anything I can help count on me if I can get the free time.
Hey, I run the 68kMLA -- I joined today to say that this is a real bummer.
Yeah, it's always something, but such is life
I presume that there's backups of the files? Could you upload them to MacGarden/Repo/InternetArchive or something like http://vtools.68kmla.org/ ?
Yes, there are backups, but re-uploading 150+GB is always a pain
I am just really mad at GoDaddy, they have literally the worst customer service, but I think I will bite my lip and deal with it.
It's not just my time, it's the core members here that have sacrificed both time and money that have made this all possible.
They have maintained and updated, via their rare knowledge, some pretty hard-to-find solutions for those that simply can't find this info anywhere else.
So I think, I will just smoke a large joint, calm down, and keep the current database/forum alive.
Feel happy about you can ask a doctor for a prescription.
Jokes aside,maybe we should mirror some stuff to Wayback Machine, Macintosh Garden, Mac Archive, 68kMLA if we can't sort it out.
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It is always DieHard the one that does all the hard work.
I owe respect to whatever you decide.
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... and I am not sure if I can move the SQL database to a new server.
I work as a DBA for SQL Server and if your RDBMS is SQL Server, I'm happy to help, if any is needed.
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hosting software on dedicated webservers is always a problem, i remember when the website from paul kellet went offline because of 15 million "mda piano" downloads per day. he obviously violated his own copyright.
they do not look into content, they just see the statistics and when something is suspicious, they block it or send you a warning.
there are two extreme future scenarios which both have pro and cons.
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one is running a hotline or kdx site. if somenbody can host, i would take care of everything there in regards of files and accounts.
it will be great for OS9 and PPC OSX, it will include a chat (i would disable the bbs), but it is not so great for visitors with windows and later OSX, iOS and so on, as the available clients suck.
and of course, while you can link to the server, you can not link to individual files from the forums.
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the more modern alternative would be using sharehosters. if we would pay for an account, people could download with unlimited speed, and there are great sites from iran or egypt which allow actual one-click and do not annoy you with nonsense.
the drawback is that it would not work with older OS at all, they all require java7 and a browser which works with the latest certificates.
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btw., the masses will disagree, but i dont see the file sections as the most important section of the forums. i almost forgot that it exists.
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As far as dowloads... anyone that wants to host the files can PM me if they can provide us with a small set of FTP accounts.
I got your PM and am going to reply but I had to go back to work so it'll be a couple more hours.
The quick/short answer is that I can do this.
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one is running a hotline or kdx site. if somenbody can host, i would take care of everything there in regards of files and accounts.
it will be great for OS9 and PPC OSX, it will include a chat (i would disable the bbs), but it is not so great for visitors with windows and later OSX, iOS and so on, as the available clients suck.
I am hosting just such a server, except it's on AppleShare IP -- to be upgraded to OS X Server 10.4 in the mid future. http://vtools.68kmla.org/ (http://vtools.68kmla.org/) - I probably won't add hotline/KDX/Carracho or anything to it because that's "just another thing to manage".
Unfortunately to add to my quick/short answer for DieHard is that it's an OS 9 machine on a home connection so admittedly there's a list of limitations fifteen miles long with that setup -- mostly pertaining to speed and ASIP reliability.
Though, I'm running vtools with that particular goal of putting lots of useful system 7/8/9 and potentially future early OS X stuff on it so anyone else interested get in contact (email coryw at stenoweb dot net is best) and I can make you an account.
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it is difficult, everything which is not your own internet server is difficult.
nobody wants to host 100,000 OS9 CD downloads from a DSL or fibre line at home.
and while a link like this
https://s19.picofile.com/file/8435250618/Mozilla_Firefox_89_0_x64.rar.html
is superb to handle for both ends, it would still mean that on the user side it can be full of advertisements unless you instruct people to use adblock and modifed hosts lists. not everyone is used to do that already. plus it requires OS 10.9 or higher to access. :)
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Yes, I saw it, and to be honest I feared something in this direction.
The support offered by the new members Cory5412 and ArmorAlley is highly appreciated. Hope that motivates you to keep everything up and running DieHard! For me it is highly important that everything stays accessable with Mac OS 9. For example I sadly cannot use 68kmla anymore :-( while I discovered vtools a few weeks ago, and it looks really nice!
What about an own housing solution or a good fibre line that we care together about? Can you tell the traffic and the bandwith that would be needed approximately?
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they do not look into content, they just see the statistics and when something is suspicious, they block it or send you a warning.
I am sure our hits are MacOS 9 Installers, Mac Mini Installer, Cubase Instant DAW and perhaps a DAW or a Synth.
Maybe DieHard can elaborate a little bit more on the downloads that are more successful in case they raise a flag anywhere in Daddy´s Algorithm.
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nobody wants to host 100,000 OS9 CD downloads from a DSL or fibre line at home.
Yeah, that's the thing, right?
To be honest, I'm perfectly fine with that, the only real limitation is that the server I was proposing using is literally running AppleShare IP 6, Apple's workgroup file server software from 1998, and my Internet is so slow.
Logistically I'm set up to handle it in basically every way except for speed and possibly that it would make more sense to wait until I migrate from ASIP6 to OS X Server 10.4, or declare this, specifically, a separate use case from vtools and set up, IDK, a linux box running a simple web server and pipe it through my regular reverse proxy.
(By "logistically" I mean I love home-hosting, homelab, home services -- I have 5 public statics, business class, 25 open, reverse DNS set up, etc etc, and the pieces are ultimately going to fall into place for vtools to host VPN connections for old macs and possibly email service, so from my perspective this is just another file share and r/w permissions group.)
Vtools makes some but admittedly less sense at those speeds and right now I'm not in a place to colo a machine to be able to meet this particular need.
Anyway, the question is really whether or not site leadership is fine with it. For the 68kMLA's purposes, vtools living at my house is "basically fine" because the focus is on disk space and tools that, at any speed, we couldn't really provide on the main infrastructure. (I mean, I guess we couldn't, but we aren't going to.)
plus it requires OS 10.9 or higher to access.
Whether or not this matters arguably depends on what the task at hand is. I'm running vtools to make it easier to get software compared to heavy web sites that render poorly on vintage macs. Some of this is changing but it's got some starting momentum so I haven't seen a reason to stop. (In addition to the personal utility, web hosting, file transfer space, potentially vintage email.)
But, for OS install media in particular I tend to find it easier when the access and the file formats are optimized for modern computers, e.g. ISO files ripped with Windows computers burn well on mac/windows/linux versus, say, a DC6 image which is basically useless on anything but a Mac of a particular age, or a Toast image which is also often broken unless you burn or convert it on, again, a Mac of a certain age.
The temptation is strong to suggest getting knezzen involved because in reality Mac Garden is better at this, specifically, (file hosting and software distribution) than 68kMLA is, despite my criticisms therein, which, as I mention, the Mac Garden is working on and improving at.
For example I sadly cannot use 68kmla anymore :-( while I discovered vtools a few weeks ago, and it looks really nice!
What about an own housing solution or a good fibre line that we care together about? Can you tell the traffic and the bandwith that would be needed approximately?
That's a bummer, do you not have a modern computer? We've discussed making a vintage oriented access option for the site but the resources for it have never materialized.
W/re vtools - it basically is what it says on the tin -- a toolbox, not a substitute for the regular forum but please feel free to email me for an account! I'll make an account on it for anybody at no charge with r/w access to the public share and r/o access to the software share. I run a Patreon which adds a personal home directory and a personal web hosting location. Right now, there are no quotas on those services -- mostly because ASIP doesn't have them.
w/re fiber: That would probably work provided you buy business class Internet or use Tricks(TM) to disguise what you're doing. In my case, I'm considering switching to the local cable company and using a pair of firewalls with a VPN to pipe static IPs from a colocation facility to my house, and then I have the actual compute hardware at home where I can use bigger, cheaper minitower servers and do maintenance more easily.
The bummer is that getting any kind of Internet with "decent" (for the sake of discussion we'll set that at 100 megabits) in the US in particular is basically a scenario of "either you've already got it or you might have it in 20 years from today".
On top of that, "small business" internet and static IP addresses (which aren't mandatory but are super helpful) are often really expensive. My DSL service was $175/mo for 40/20, 5 IPs, an unlimited LD phone line, and a small Office 365 instance. I'm now averaging about $195/mo for that but 40/2 and 2 phone lines. (Really long story.) The cableco here has small business internet but that's more like 50/8 for $350/mo, when I looked last, so you're kind of back to either co-locating services or moving them to VPS/cloud tools or just not having them.
My unpopular opinion though is that for someone providing this kind of thing for free, maybe say 20-30 megabits of upload on a home cable line is, in fact, good enough.
Heck, if the traffic is low enough maybe 2 megabits of upload is enough. That's ultimately up for the leadership here to decide.
Maybe DieHard can elaborate a little bit more on the downloads that are more successful in case they raise a flag anywhere in Daddy´s Algorithm.
My read on it was that "Unlimited" had some pretty specific qualifications about the types of files and use cases that can be used. GoDaddy said something, the solution didn't work because it involved using a workgroup collaboration tool, so the files went back where GoDaddy asked them not to, they noticed and then suspended the account for non-compliance.
To be honest, that's pretty cut-and-dry to me. Rules were broken and they need to not be broken again, whether that involves finding a different web host and paying for the data space (and, I'm extremely aware that it's expensive) or coming up with some different tools.
Anyway I'm rambling. Thank you for the warm welcome. I'll be out of your hair once this resolves.
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Just by way of laughs -- the irony of me coming in and going "Hey do you want to put your 150 gigs of files on my personal web server?" (paraphrased) is really really rich given my personal history of having to tell people that their AWS T2.Micro instance isn't sufficient to run my web site.
So I absolutely get it if my offer of 23-year-old software on 20-year-old hardware on a slow DSL line doesn't work for the needs at hand.
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I've been a mostly dormant member here for awhile now, and after seeing this, I wanted to chime in and offer my support.
I don't have the means to mirror any files, but I can offer good wishes to anyone else attempting to so so, such as Cory5412.
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I was quiet surprised when seeing the "account has been suspended" message but also thought about a missed renewal at first. Good to see macos9lives being back! I do cross fingers that there'll be a hosting solution that makes the page and forums fit for the future. After all, there's still plenty of life left in OS9, right ? ;-)
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Anyway, the question is really whether or not site leadership is fine with it.
the boss probably would prefer a solution where he or another person of the core team can upload and reorganize things easily from a remote position, and only if it is http or ftp it will seamless integrate into the forums, so that everything is in once place and nothing causes dependencies.
it would also be nice if one could download the whole content to make a backup.
i think your offer is great but i would be interested about what bandwith we are talking here?
Whether or not this matters arguably depends on what the task at hand is. I'm running vtools to make it easier to get software compared to heavy web sites that render poorly on vintage macs. Some of this is changing but it's got some starting momentum so I haven't seen a reason to stop. (In addition to the personal utility, web hosting, file transfer space, potentially vintage email.)
The temptation is strong to suggest getting knezzen involved because in reality Mac Garden is better at this
at least he is in scandinavia where people usually have 5-10 times the connection speed in their homes compared to germany.
but otoh, he already hosts his own stuff.
somehow i think we should take the opportunity and make things even better than before. one-click, fast, and crossplatform (i.e. OS9 support) would be great. and in theory it is simple, you just need a ftp or http on a dedicated server.
What about an own housing solution
the situation in the USA in europe is that you usually have to pay per traffic, even for virtual servers.
i am working with vtron and they charge 0,09 euro per GB. fine when you are not the end customer, but i would never want to be liable for that myself.
My unpopular opinion though is that for someone providing this kind of thing for free, maybe say 20-30 megabits of upload on a home cable line is, in fact, good enough.
it is totally awesome if somebody who is firm with technology and works reliable offers something for free.
but my calculation is like that: here in germany a 100 mbit VDSL line offers around 95mbit downstream and around 20mbit upstream.
so if 10 people download a file from that server, the average download speed will be around 0,25 megabytes per second.
doable - but not ideal. if you have such a 100mbit line, you are used to download with 12,0.
To be honest, that's pretty cut-and-dry to me.
it is typical for most of these "flat rate" offers: when you begin to actually use it, they will find an excuse to cancel the contract. and when the statistic bots find .zip, .rar, or .iso, you are outlawed.
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That's a bummer, do you not have a modern computer? We've discussed making a vintage oriented access option for the site but the resources for it have never materialized.
Oh, I do, I don't use my SE and LC often these days and go by my MDD and my new 1GHz Ti, all with Mac OS 9. My heavily upgraded 9600 was my mainmachine until about 2 years ago :-p
Seriously, no, I do everything with Mac OS 9. Even Cameron didn't get this years ago ;)
I have sometimes access to a Linux i7 and a quad G5 with 10.4 but I hate both of them, and I see no chance to get such a machine as main computer. Recent Mac or Win is anyways a absolutely no-go. Sadly my Ataris or Haiku or other alternatives are also not a big help regarding modern Internet.
So any "mid 2000 solution" to any webproject would be real possibility to really access your projects! And, I like to stress, that I make a huge difference between "vintage" like any Netscape 3 or text-only, and meaningful webtools that are working well with Netsurf for example. The ugly mobile-design, with tons of crap is killing the internet at the moment, completely independent from older Operating Systems.
Anyway I'm rambling. Thank you for the warm welcome. I'll be out of your hair once this resolves.
I don't think that anybody thinks you are rambling. I would be glad if you become a permanent guest here.
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I had the same issues a few years back. I hosted a load of abandonware Mac software, everything was running smoothly for a few years until my hosting provider took a closer look and told me I had to cease hosting the software or risk my account being terminated. I can't remember their reasoning but I'm sure it's because they don't want to take on any piracy risks and don't understand abandonware etc.
My question is how macintoshgarden, and the internet archive have got around this. What hosting provider do they use? Maybe it's a custom setup through Amazon or something but I'll look into it when I get time. GoDaddy are terrible, they are the snakes of the hosting and domain providers. We just need to find a hosting platform that either macintoshgarden use, or one that doesn't have issue with software being hosted.
As another alternative we could use torrents for the software and all 'self-host' it. Sure it looks a little more suspicious because it's a torrent but they have been given a bad name due to piracy. What we are doing isn't software piracy. I'm sure a good majority of us would be more than willing to download the software archive, act as 'seeds' when online, and a number of us would be fine running a machine 24/7 for the cases when nobody is online to seed the torrent data. I have 'Ultra Fast' Fibre and would be willing to leave a machine running for seeding. There are torrent clients that work under Mac OS 9 too.
As I said I'll look into the hosting, but we need a good long term solution. Diehard has gone through a lot of trouble keeping this community running and I'm sure we can come up with a solid plan for the future
Edit: It looks like macintoshgarden.org is hosted by Bahnhof https://os.bahnhof.net/index.php?rp=/store/openstack-vm
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Glad to see the forum is back at least. Was very worried for a minute there. To me the most valuable thing on this site isn't the downloads. It's all of the useful info posted on threads. If anything, DH, please make some backup copies of the SQL database so that we can at least preserve the information posted here. It took us years to build the info we have. I don't see most of it anywhere else.
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Glad to see the forum is back at least. Was very worried for a minute there. To me the most valuable thing on this site isn't the downloads. It's all of the useful info posted on threads.
Yes!!! Absolutely Syntho! Those Mother Effers!!!
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How is Macintosh garden hosted and how much space do they need?
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How is Macintosh garden hosted and how much space do they need?
MG seems to be an Aussie operation hosted via Dreamscape Networks. From what I can remember, the owner of the site has deep enough pockets and funds it all because that is what he wants to spend his money on. Seems to have plenty of bandwidth etc.
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No, the Aussie was the one that took the donated money and ran off. Well, kinda of. At least he was decent enough to hand it over to the current Mac Garden admin fogwraith who's located in Scandinavia. But yeah, he's very dedicated and has a great server know-how, that is how he keeps all afloat. And yeah, you can bet he donates a nice sum every month so everyone can grab Mac OS abandonware for free (talk about idealism!) :)
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I have some servers in a cabinet in a datacenter, I can spin up a VM with a simple ftp/http server if you need an additional mirror.
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I have gigabit fiber at home, 1000 Mbps download and 1000 Mbps upload with static IPs.
I also have an unused multi - TB external hard drive and a Raspberry Pi that does absolutely nothing.
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:'(
Have you looked into this site?
https://the-eye.eu/
They're proud data-hoarders;
Our Mission
Living without the knowledge of our past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots. The Internet is a worldwide platform for sharing information. It is a community of common interests.
Our mission at The Eye is to preserve pieces of digital history. We are digital librarians.
Site Information
The Eye is a non-profit website dedicated towards content archival and long-term preservation.
We currently host various large scale data-sets amounting to hundreds of thousands of files. These data-sets include various website and software archives.
As of June 2021, The Eye is capable of hosting around 240+ terabytes of data. You can view our real-time bandwidth statistics here.
They might be able to help, they also have a nice Discord server...
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Index of /public/Books/4chan_pol_Archives/Third Reich/ ? ...
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Any news?
Browsing my uploads on Protools plugins.Most of them come as an attachment and can still be downloaded.
The ones that Diehard uploaded to main server are lost, but the most of the RTAS working ones are still on my Case Study XXX on Protools posts section.
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5716.0.html
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5716.0.html)
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5716.msg42587.html#msg42587 (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5716.msg42587.html#msg42587)
Missing one is the 52 plugs one,but on other post it was pointed where in Macintosh Garden you could find it. Also the megapack that got all TDM users crazy.
I have a lot of downloads that I could reupload once we define a route.
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i guess we should not start random here and random there solutions for new users before we have an "official" new hosting solution.
but maybe we can make an exception for 922, 922 universal, 922 unsupported and 922 mini and put them on some free and fast host.
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i thought knez + mac garden were handling the file hosting??? or did that change long time ago ?
for what its worth ive been wanting to ditch godaddy for a VERY VERY LONG TIME just havent got the motivation to do all the extra work that it involved to make the chnage to a new web host
GoDaddy has always been good but not great
theres been a number of times where my site was left down for days on end because of an error on their part etc
I think they do provide a good service for most sleeper developers out there but if you want a host thats gonna be on their toes with intelligence + competence
i think you need a different company im looking for a new experience
i wouldnt reccommend giving the macos9lives data to another 3rd party - it needs to stay in the hands of someone who is passionate about music + creativitity + community + keeping these things accessible for future generations, and someone who also has the technical skills to keep adding + building to whats already been accomplished.
it should stay a passion-project not end up mixed up with all the other "warez for warez sake" bs
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i thought knez + mac garden were handling the file hosting??? or did that change long time ago ?
Knez is the best and yes, the entire forum (and domain) will be moved to the garden after the logistics are figured out.
I was hoping they can keep the downloads liked to the boards, because I think that is easier than their current search method
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I just knew that I liked Knez for some reason or another.
(Although I never did receive that pic of Mille Dinesen.) >:(
Now wouldn’t it be nice if it was a simple move, where the Forum looked & functioned
the same…except now, being hosted on Mac Garden’s server(s)?
[You do realize that some of us were holding our breath?]
MacOS9Lives! (dotcom)
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Web hosting is a nightmare sometimes for Sites with software uploads,
I just want to thank you guys for the effort you put in to this,
This old software would be very hard to track down and some stuff just gets lost
to time if not for people who are enthusiastic to preserve these old systems.
The relentless drive for newer hardware and updated Os doesn't
need to mean the end for stuff that used to work well in my book!,
I have never stopped using old systems.
I have been a longtime lurker,only just set up an account,
was looking in every so often to see what people were doing with
this stuff and chatting about.
Good luck with the change over,
I noticed when the files went down and wondered what happened,
have 4 g4's now but none of them are working at the moment!,
but ive got 2 mac mini's with os9 on:-)
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well as long as the site works and downloads work - between all the people involved here it shouldnt be too hard to figure out
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Knez is the best and yes, the entire forum (and domain) will be moved to the garden after the logistics are figured out.
Waiting eagerly for the files so I can start working :)
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Was beginning to hold my breath as well.
What is the overall expense that this will incur for the group if I don't mind asking?
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As far as GoDaddy... I paid everything they wanted (even for online storage) which stoped working with old browsers, jumped through every hoop, in the end they did not want the content (download files) on there
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As far as GoDaddy... I paid everything they wanted (even for online storage) which stoped working with old browsers, jumped through every hoop, in the end they did not want the content (download files) on there
Its all about the money to them,they may fear some come back later for hosting files also,
it must feel like a kick in the teeth,keep up the good work of preserving this software:-)
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OK, as a temporary stop-gap measure, I am going to try direct links to individual download files (via Google drive) instead on rights to whole folders...
I did this one as a test (since it was downloaded over 270,000 times) and is our most popular...
Please test this and let me know if the download works on old browsers:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2109.msg10853#msg10853
If it works I move more over
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Don’t know about “older browsers” per-se.
BUT… all of the following downloaded it easily.
(Whereas before - Safari & Google Chrome had their problems.)
Firefox 78.11
Google Chrome 91.0.4472.114
Safari 11.1.2
So you older browsers, please do give it a go and report.
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Don’t know about “older browsers” per-se.
BUT… all of the following downloaded it easily.
(Whereas before - Safari & Google Chrome had their problems.)
Firefox 78.11
Google Chrome 91.0.4472.114
Safari 11.1.2
So you older browsers, please do give it a go and report.
yes, I was able to download perfectly from a macpro M1 and a G4 MDD with safari, without any problem -afro-
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Does not work in Classilla 3.4b on 9.22 Qemu
Does not work in Classilla 3.4b on 9.0 in SheepShaver
Forum itself does not work at all in MS IE 5.1 and Netscape 3.0
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I am guessing Browsers on Native OS9 will not work :(
But I guess most people have (or can have a friend) download them on a newer mac or PC :)
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Yeah, I can confirm, it doesn't work with any browser on OS9 for me. Bummer.
Any chance to upload the most important stuff to the Mac Garden? It plays fine with Classilla and what I learned their upcoming design wil be even more retro compatible.
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how relevant is OS9 compatibilty for an OS9 image?
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Yeah, I can confirm, it doesn't work with any browser on OS9 for me. Bummer.
Any chance to upload the most important stuff to the Mac Garden? It plays fine with Classilla and what I learned their upcoming design wil be even more retro compatible.
Yes, I think Knez already has most of the stuff at the Garden for those that only own 1 old mac
how relevant is OS9 compatibilty for an OS9 image?
Great question, like I said I'm guessing not too relevant, most people have other computers or can be helped by friends or family that can burn a CD/DVD and give it too them, so I will move forward with the download patchwork, this will give us as much time as we need to eventually move the forum SQL database to the garden, or I may renew my hosting and keep both sites independent for redundancy. Knez knows he already has my blessing to put any of our downloads on the garden, as long as we get acknowledged for them :)
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I know that I have your blessing, I just don't want to take any of your traffic. People might come here for the downloads, but stay for the awesome forum and people.
If you ever change your mind about the hosting offer, just reach out and we'll set the wheels in motion again.
No hard feelings from our side, since we only want to help you and the community. It's your decision in the end since it's your site :)
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it is important for a number of reasons to only have the forum and its domain be the main path into the audio collection, and one of them is that the forum works from OS9.
i just wanted to mention that OS9 images should have actually the least priority when it comes to the option to be able to download from OS9, while at the same time it is the most requested file. :)
so it is unavoidable to put universal/unsupported/mini OS onto google or dropbox for now. those who desperately need freeverb.sit can wait.
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I know that I have your blessing, I just don't want to take any of your traffic. People might come here for the downloads, but stay for the awesome forum and people.
If you ever change your mind about the hosting offer, just reach out and we'll set the wheels in motion again.
No hard feelings from our side, since we only want to help you and the community. It's your decision in the end since it's your site :)
Hosting is paid for the next 16 months, just checked, so I time to mull it all over, thanks again Knez
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The only file request I have is a copy of Live 4. Would gladly donate to obtain that for my setup.
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Entire Download Sections that are back online...
Mac OS 7, 8, & 9 Install Images
Diagnostic CD Images
PM me for any specific downloads that are offline, but needed, and I will address those 1st :)
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OK... Coffee up... I will try to hit the goal of Uploading 30GB per day :)
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OK... Coffee up... I will try to hit the goal of Uploading 30GB per day :)
Thanks for the dedication to keeping OS9 a viable recording platform!
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OK... Coffee up... I will try to hit the goal of Uploading 30GB per day :)
Better jump directly to the espresso!! ;D
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i assume you have backups, but if you need anything just name it.
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i assume you have backups, but if you need anything just name it.
I'll Let you know if anything is missing :)
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All Downloads about 50% up and running...
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All Downloads about 50% up and running...
good work!
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To all PMs and Moderator reports I am receiving...
We will be 100% back in about 5 to 7 days, sorry for the inconvenience.
I am going as quick as I can upload and make the new links
Unfortunately it's taking a little longer than expected since we have lost about 60% of our download images overtime, due to linking images from other external sites that are now gone. Many OS9 references on other sites are now bye bye, so I am strongly recommending that any pictures be attached to posts and then placed in the body of the post with the following method...
1) Created the new post and attach the picture as an attachment
2) Save the post
3) right click on the attachment pic and get "copy image link" or anything that gets you the URL
4) edit the post and insert code similar to this (with the correct topic and attachment number) you got from the link
img width=500]http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6012.0;attach=8766;image[/img
And remember to start the code line with a bracket [ and end with a closed bracket ]
This method will keep all pics alive for the future
To get all download boards fixed, I use this method
A) Re-Upload all cd images to Google Drive
B) Find and download any broken pics
C) Get all new file links
D) edit post with new pics and links
E) Test post
So it takes a while, but we will get there, and the new advantage is that I can add a lot more items in 2021 since we now have more room
I would love if you guys can re-test new download links with classilla and other stuff and make sure "Java" is globally enabled when you do it, although I am guessing OS9 browsers will no longer support or download boards, if an OS9 workaround is discovered, please post it
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I want to take the opportunity to say that I really appreciate your work
For me, being "up to date" with my Apple Powermac g4 Quicksilver using the wonderful software we have here available for Mac OS 9 and and have a place to share technical information about Mac OS 9 DAW makes me happy, brings to my music a special way of coming to life, an MacOS9Lives way 8)
Congratulations and long life to MacOS9Lives!!!! Thank you!
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The future's so bright I gotta wear shades
OK, the marathon is over ! The real bitch was re-uploading the VSTi Dowload Boards with massive toast images...
Finally, done, we should 100% on all downloads and I even found a bunch that we never got to post, so re-organizing was actually a gift :)
I will be hunting down down errors, so I promise not to ignore any Moderator reports or PMs. Please PM me if any links are broken.
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Ya'll I'm still fresh faced registered noob here but I've read and used your site for years.
I have kinda speed read some of the top posts from the likes of Diehard, Mactron and IIO and to be honest if it came down to it I'd be fine without site downloads. That's what Macintosh Garden and MR are for.
The comrodery *typo* and community that you all have created is what gets new, shy folks like myself who have lived ate and breathed tech since they were in diapers ...to come online and be social.
Do whatever it takes to keep this dream, this work of heart alive and well.
Don't hesitate to reach out for help.
--TheOdinnson