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I think .time-stamps is hidden in some Open Firmware versions. Two options:
1) setenv fcode-debug? true then restart
2) false to check-visible then try the .time-stamps command again.
Probably the first is preferable since you only have to do it once (unless you zap the pram).

probe-all does the following:
push-state
probe-pci
probe-ext-mac-io
probe-usb
probe-fw
finish-device-tree
pop-state
   

I suppose you can try probe-pci instead of probe-all. In that case, maybe remove banner so that the normal boot process will do probe-all. It should be smart enough not to repeat the probe-pci part again but I'm not sure.

In either case, you may want to use a catch so that if it fails, the rest of the nvramrc script is executed.

['] probe-pci catch if ." exception:" . . cr then
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News, Information & Feedback / Re: Thoughts on the future of Mac OS 9 Lives
« Last post by Jubadub on April 17, 2024, 01:50:58 AM »
Hang in there, @Knez! :D
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News, Information & Feedback / Re: What's your opinion on the "like" button?
« Last post by Jubadub on April 17, 2024, 01:39:38 AM »
Ugh. This decision is not as easy, nor as black-and-white, as it can seem. Personally, I'm very torn over this one: There are very good reasons to include it, and very good reasons not to include it.

What can I say? Everyone here, on both camps, is right: on one hand, it can dilute the quality of discussion, and "dumb it down". On the other hand, it is a positive tool for acknowledgement of something without "side-tracking" the main discussion. Both points are true. We have no "right" or "wrong" answer here based on technicality alone.

You have to really screw a conversation to have no likes.

No. A conversation or, to be more precise, thread comments can go without a "Like" also simply because of not many people reading the thread, or the comment, even when you make a quality post or cover new ground that is, actually, appreciated. Another issue is that using "Like" requires a logged-in user, so even if you have your "admirers", they are "ghost admirers" who cannot express that they "Like" your posts. So @ssp3 actually has a point with that.

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Personally, what I can say to contribute to this decision is our history:

I think the "Like" feature was added sometime around late 2019, perhaps a bit before or a bit later. Obviously, the forum functioned perfectly well without it for all this while.

When the "Like" feature and button were finally introduced, I feel as if it was mostly well-received, silently, and well-appreciated. In general, I think it brought more good than harm. Admitedly, I grew fond of it, as well, and I don't think it made me participate less, whether my posts were getting liked or not. It did make me show appreciation for people's posts which, otherwise, I would have said nothing in place if no "Like" system had been implemented. Of course, if there was something I REALLY liked, then I would say/write it, AND add the "Like" while at it (if the "Like" function is available).

So, in short, I think the "Like" feature served us well in practice, in helping us express ourselves a bit better, with minor drawbacks like others pointed out. Maybe we could have "misused" it, but from what I saw, it seemed to be used "correctly", unlike the braindead FaceBook et al. stuff.

Simultaneously... @Mat and the others are also right. It's really tough: there is no "right" decision, because we WILL have a tradeoff, be it one way or another. Which one is more worth it? I don't know.

But what I DO know is that we will be fine eitherway: we were fine before it was implemented, and we were fine during the time it was around, as well, so my conviction on this is 100% unshaken.

So I honestly leave this decision to all you guys, and you can count me as "neutral" on this. Maybe I slightly lean towards having it back, but honestly I'm completely fine with it eitherway. It's not that "I don't care", as the poll suggests, but rather "I care so much that I know we are fine eitherway, and there's not one uniquely-correct choice". :)

TL;DR I voted on "I don't care.".
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New Member Welcome / Re: G'day folks :))
« Last post by Greystash on April 17, 2024, 01:33:13 AM »
Welcome! I'm a big iMac lover too, if only you were New Zealand based because I have a few parts iMacs collecting dust!
Good luck finding one  :)
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Yes I mention it in the descriptions. I wouldn't be selling these without it! I ended up buying lots of non-workingG4 Minis and really getting into this now...
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News, Information & Feedback / Re: Thoughts on the future of Mac OS 9 Lives
« Last post by Greystash on April 17, 2024, 01:28:02 AM »
Knezzen I think we're all very happy and appreciative of your amazing work, and that there's just a few of the old features missing that we've become accustomed to.
Good things take time and I'm sure we'll see most of them make a comeback. You've taken on a big workload with this forum, and things like these do take a lot of time to implement. This thread has been a good space to vent any frustrations and I'm sure there's no malicious intent directed at you. It's a good space to note features that made things easier for us  :)

Here's one post I found today which seems to have broken styles, it may be related to ProToolsLEGuy's findings:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1965.0

Keep up the good work, what you're doing is appreciated!!
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News, Information & Feedback / Re: 254 guests 4 users online.
« Last post by Jubadub on April 17, 2024, 01:08:17 AM »
Well, if it helps, we have more members browsing around than that, for example when this thread was created, I was checking it without being logged in, so "4" users is actually "5", and I'm sure this applies to some others as well, so then it goes up to "6", then maybe "7"... But certainly not "200", I agree. :)

Well, if those damn otherwise-useless AI bots got enough data to figure out how to boot OS 9 on G5s, then let's inquire them how to do it until they get it right! But generally they won't even know what to do with mere REALbasic code, let alone what to say when I ask them for precise differences between behavior or even syntax across multiple REALbasic versions. So maybe they could help in booting a G5 by... year 2500, if people or Earth will even be around by then.
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Thanks joevt, I've tried both non-serial methods. After running the following it lists out the entire device tree (it ends at the same device as it would if I just ran ` dev / ls`), then begins the `probe-all` command which results in the same "can't OPEN device" error.
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dev / ls device-end
." [ probe-all"
probe-all
." ] probe-all"
install-console
dev / ls device-end
." [ banner"
banner
." ] banner"

.time-stamps and .time-stamps\ don't work for me, it returns ".time-stamps, unknown word"
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News, Information & Feedback / Re: Thoughts on the future of Mac OS 9 Lives
« Last post by Knezzen on April 17, 2024, 01:02:52 AM »
I like that downloads are accesible again thru an Mac OS 9 machine. I could still download them from Windows or Mac OS X before, but for a purist user with only a Mac OS 9 machine (are you really that offuscated?) was a plus.

I understand that youtube links "break" compatibility with OS 9 browsers, but the forum was clearly richer and more visual when we had youtube links in screen. And the videos were clickable/watchable within the forum.

More than 10 "rich" post from me have been ruined (or screwed) with this "you have a Mac OS 9 browsable"post policy. There should be a place where youtube links and mini player are allowed.

I browse the forum 60 percent on my smartphone, 30 percent on a windows machine and 9 percent on Mac OS X. Only browse it on 9  to download attachments from post that I am afraid of it loose its fork.

Ditching youtube videos has made the forum some steps backward IMHO.

We could put a flag (Youtube Content) or something similar for the user that is running Mac OS 9 to not click in. Or make a zone where YT links are full and allowed.

I have no idea which policy you're referring to, but ALL plugins where disabled when the forum moved since it wouldn't run on newer server software with plugins enabled. Since then I have enabled the bookmarks plugin since it looks like it's compatible with the version of PHP we're now running for security reasons. I'm not disabling features to mess with anyone and I haven't specifically removed YouTube mini player support to cater for "purists".

So let's get things straight here.
  • I'm trying to get the site up and running on modern and secure server software to keep everyones passwords and login credentials safe.
  • I'm trying to get the site running on modern and secure server software to keep bots at bay.
  • I'm trying to clean up the forum structure to make it easier for newcomers to grasp what we're all about and get them to join in on the discussions here.

And still I get the feeling that some think that everything I do and all the changes are done with malicious intent. That all I want to do is disable features just because.

Try to see the larger picture here. Please.

And about your posts that got "ruined", Protools5LEGuy; post a link to one of them so I can see what shortcode is used for the mini player so I can narrow it down to which plugin that generates them and I'll have a look.
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Machines looking very nice, seems like a great package for those not into hardware tinkering. Can you refer the buyers to OS 9 Lives as the place to hang out with their new OS9 Mini ? :)
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