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Digital Audio Workstation & MIDI => Digital Audio Workstations & MIDI Applications => Logic Audio by Emagic => Topic started by: coachla on June 28, 2014, 05:39:24 AM
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I use version 4 which does not have this problem. Posting this just out of curiosity to see if others have seen this. Can anyone confirm that OMS delivers MIDI to the first 8 physical inputs on an MDD? I'm using Keyspan and Stealth ports in emulation mode. I think the machine has to have real modem and printer ports for Logic to function correctly using OMS. One as to use OMS with these serial devices. However, 4.7 does not have this strange behavior.
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im pretty sure u cant use both a pci serial + the stealth/modem with oms at the same time
try using one or the other not both at the same time and it should work
i read something about this strange problem recently
also i wonder if the megawolf drivers work work for the keyspan?
this replaces part of the oms config to see the serial ports on the pci card as real modem/printer ports like you said..
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To clarify.... I don't use them on the same MDD. I'm just saying I've tried both. Can anyone confirm my question above?
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ok so your saying the problem is not limited to the keyspan pci device itself.. right gotcha.
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Correct ChrisNova777... I just now checked on my 9500, and exactly the same issue exists. Logic's own drivers work fine on the 9500 because it has real physical serial ports. But OMS does not read any input except at the Sum input cable. How can this be? So.... Can anyone confirm OMS individual inputs on ANY computer with Logic 5 or 6? If you can confirm....What is your setup? I have troubleshot this countless times over many years, thinking it was the 6.4 file on Apple's site that was the cause. But apparently it really does not work. I use Logic 4, so its no big deal..... It's just one of those bizarre phenomena....
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i have a few macs with serial solutions..
stealth card,
griffin g4port
and megawolf pci
(soon a keyspan card aswell)
and midi interfaces by opcode
studio 64xtc
studio 128x
studio 3
and also a motu mtp av
i also have logic 5-6 usb dongle (for audio,not platinum, oops)
so i can definately look into this soon.
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If you have real modem and printer ports it still doesn't work? I'd guess the Keyspan had something to do with it but it looks like you squashed that already. It must be Logic 5/6 then.
Didn't you say that even when you turn OMS off it still won't work? Maybe FreeMidi is the cause of this...
I'll check once my Keyspan gets here.
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Logic 5&6 only receive midi in to the physical input sum.
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This is rather interesting. I'm gonna check when my card gets here (tomorrow morning).
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Probably a practical limitation in the transition to OSX at that time. Who knows?
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You're right, this just plain ain't working. Only the sum works. You say this works in Logic 4? You used to be able to create a modem and printer object in Logic but I don't think you can anymore.
I also tried to use my Express XT without OMS, but not even the Sum would work there. I'll use OMS in Logic anyway.
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Hey, were you able to get Logic to work with your Keyspan without OMS? I think you have to select "port 1 - port 64" in environment objects or something. I'm probably gonna use OMS 100% of the time in Logic and that works fine, but I'm curious just in case someday I'll want to disable it for some reason.
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No it does not work without OMS in Any Logic version, neither will Diver... sum only by design in 5&6.
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sorry i havent had a chance to try this.. i will try to give a go. and dive into the environment guide i posted
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I tried. Doesn't work. He's right.
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i have a different card then you guys, the megawolf pci.
which is why id like to do the test
could either of you walk me through how to test?
im not so hot with logic yet i have bought books but not read ..
i cant even figure out how to make a midi track right now lol
:)
too many different user interfaces to remember!
this one i havent learned ever yet..
but i have logic updated to 5.5 and i have the studio 128x running oms off a megawolf remus 2 port serial pci
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I don't think this works in either 5 or 6, regardless if OMS is turned on or not. I'm also not sure if this will work at all unless you've got actual serial/modem ports. Maybe coachla can chime in again.
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yes but u said u tried ... what did u try?
where did u look this up?
in the environment object right?
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The individual cable outputs on the physical input object don't send any data, only the Sum output works. That's on Logic 5 and 6, with or without OMS disabled.
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By the way, a lot of those Logic files posted on this site are either the wrong files or they're corrupt. The 4.7 update is actually an EV88 thing. For some reason when enabler originally uploaded those files they all got corrupted somehow. But thanks to Macintosh Garden we've still got ourselves covered...
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By the way, a lot of those Logic files posted on this site are either the wrong files or they're corrupt. The 4.7 update is actually an EV88 thing. For some reason when enabler originally uploaded those files they all got corrupted somehow. But thanks to Macintosh Garden we've still got ourselves covered...
they arent all corrupted at all.. the files i have are fine!
which files are u referring to tho? on the ftp?
when he originally upped everything it was in a huge ZIP file i believe and thats what caused them to lose their creator/type codes
i fixed them by changing their creator/type codes back to that of a diskcopy img... (from the old version of disk copy not the 6.5b ver)
see my thread http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1491.0
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They're the ones posted in the DAW section. The huge zip file I have has the same problem. I believe you got Logic 4.7/4.8 from Macintosh Garden and those are working fine. It's the files on this site that are either the wrong ones or don't work.
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They're the ones posted in the DAW section. The huge zip file I have has the same problem. I believe you got Logic 4.7/4.8 from Macintosh Garden and those are working fine. It's the files on this site that are either the wrong ones or don't work.
u still have the original anthology zip he uploaded? i was looking for it just a second ago
what do u mean they dont work?
like i said putting the .img files inside the zip file just removed the creator/type codes resource fork
if u fix the creator/type codes then the .img files mount just fine
i just installed logic 5.5 from one of his files ..
i dont have the original zip anymore but i have the contents of the zip.. as far as i know
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That's not the problem. Some of the files are actually not the file size they're supposed to be, they got cut off in an upload to an FTP somewhere. And the 4.7 update file is the completely wrong file, it's some EV88 file or something.
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evp88 is an instrument.. only for logic. electric piano
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Sum input only on 5&6....even on 9500 serial ports with or without OMS. By design. Workaround would be to bifurcate the data with transformers using CC markers to trigger filters...multiple ways to do it in the very rare case it was necessary. I've been using 4.7 (with a version 6 skin in the resources) simply for the lack of need for anything else. It does everything midi. For audio, then I might choose 5 or 6.
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this topic might be dead now but
are u guys sure this whole sum input thing wasnt a result of oms never being updated when logic 5 + 6 were released??? because gibson had already been bought + shut down??
oms 2.3.8 was the last version ever.. and this version is from like 1999? or 2000?
im pretty sure?
just checked
according to macupdate
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/1565/open-music-system-oms
Open Music System (OMS). 2.3.8. Released 24-Nov-1998
thats before mac os 9 was even released.. by almost a full year
logic 5 wasnt even released untill december 2001
logic 6 wasnt released untill april 2003.. 4-5 years after he last oms update
nevermind all that..
thats even before logic 4 was even released...which was in august 1999
The software tools available in The Open Music System (OMS) manage the flow of MIDI information between applications and MIDI hardware. A typical MIDI studio contains multiple MIDI devices attached to one or more MIDI interfaces. Without OMS, each individual MIDI application must keep track of all interfaces, MIDI devices and data communication. With OMS, all applications simply use the central, standardized MIDI communication offered by OMS. This is the full version of OMS, which is significantly larger than the Lite version, but it does support more than the standard Mac interface. This version has drivers for the Studio 4, 5LX, 64X, and 64XTC interfaces.
hmm i never knew there was oms light version?