Mac OS 9 Lives
Digital Audio Workstation & MIDI => Digital Audio Workstations & MIDI Applications => Topic started by: supernova777 on November 14, 2013, 02:17:32 PM
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please post your opinions!!
obviously the big choices are: :o
Cubase
Nuendo
Pro Tools
Logic
Digital Performer
Live
Reason
whats your favourite? post + let us know!!! ;D 8)
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Cubase VST 5 / 32
32 Bit floating Point Audio
Apogee Dithering,
Low latency
OMS support
Awesome VST Instrument support
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Cubase VST 5 / 32
Cubase VST 5 / 32
32 Bit floating Point Audio
Apogee Dithering,
Low latency
OMS support
Awesome VST Instrument support
I'll add:
−Score edit.
−Audio rendering.
−Good look.
Logic and Live are ugly for mi taste and not "Mac Os 9 look and feel":)
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clearly you are both pro steinberg, but what about nuendo??? it it lacking when compared to cubase vst 5?
from what ive read nuendo is now their flagship app, this has got me wondering now, when did this dynamic shift from cubase being their main product to nuendo occur.. perhaps around the time of this article;
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct01/articles/nuendomac.asp
dated october 2001
right after 9/11 :o
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clearly you are both pro steinberg, but what about nuendo??? it it lacking when compared to cubase vst 5?
from what ive read nuendo is now their flagship app, this has got me wondering now, when did this dynamic shift from cubase being their main product to nuendo occur.. perhaps around the time of this article;
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct01/articles/nuendomac.asp
dated october 2001
right after 9/11 :o
I'd used Nuendo for a while, and I like it, it have some things better than Cubase VST 5, but Nuendo 1.5.2 is buggy, I have lost some works even after saving it to disk :(
Cubase SX and up, was based in Nuendo. In fact, the first versions of Cubase SX has less capabilities than Cubase VST 5
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Chris, I am sure you would agree that there are many great tools for producing music on Mac OS. As far as the Cubase vs Nuendo debate, I would add that although Nuendo 1.5.2 is amazingly innovative (Supports 5.1 Mix) and although it is a great program (I was on the Beta Test team for Nuendo on PC), is was in it's infancy when OS 9 was shelved; it was a complete re-write from scratch (as compared to VST), so it is very buggy under Mac 0S 9 (I have also lost projects/time with then never ending Nuendo crashes).
Cubase VST 5 is so much more solid since it was the final version with a long history on Mac OS. Cubase "VST" was released first on the mac, was developed for mac, and was improved from 1996 thru 2001. Its 5 year run as a Virtual Studio got better and better as PowerMacs got faster. It may not have surround sound (like Nuendo), but it wins hands down in the stability & features department.
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I think best daw for os9 are protools Le for stability and Logic for performance of vst.
Protools born PowerPC from the first revision. Version 5 is legendary and is incredibly optimized. Look how a G3 with 350 can run lots of MC2000 McDSP on os9. Also the Realverb (later UAD reverb) make the balance to protools on G4s. I love Rtas. But there is a lot of VST power with logic. I have a usb emagic xskey with logic 5, 6 and 7 and running them on os9 is pure power mixing. I can't live without them both. I have a machine for pt5 and one for logic.
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Welcome Protools5LEGuy !
I have a usb emagic xskey with logic 5, 6 and 7 and running them on os9 is pure power mixing. I can't live without them both. I have a machine for pt5 and one for logic.
Are you saying you are running Logic 7 on OS 9 ?
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I had used 5, 6.01 and 6.5 on os9. The Xskey contains also 7 license (Os X)
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Wow the infamous 6.5 under OS 9... I never got that one... always wanted it... I think LP9 under SL is an incredible product for the price... my favorite production machine these days is Mac Pro 8 core with LP9
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When you taste Protools 9 HD (pirated) you forget Logic soon -afro-. Some says Logic on Intel is unstable (logic8). Logic 6.x ppc is cool and stable.
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No offense Protools5LEGuy, I have had to used every incarnation of every DAW, and although ProTools has it's place, I am not a fan... The Logic / Cubase workflow matches my brain much better. I don't hate PT, I have co-produced many projects with it, but I have more Fun with Logic.
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i personally think that all the programs are capable of doing great things.. the difference is your understanding/familiarity with interacting with the program that is the deciding factor....
just like in real life u may get along better with person A moreso then person B but that doesnt make person A better then person B it just means that you have a stronger link to understanding Person A over person B.. + someone elses' Person A, may be person B.. confused yet? lol
-afro-
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Good Point Chris :D Fuckin A ! (or B for that matter)
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I like A but I married B ;D
B is better but A is more unfamiliar :P
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I'm a Logic guy since I fool with hardware synths a lot. However I'm really looking forward to trying Pro Tools for the audio side of things once my rig is finally up.
I was reading somewhere about how there are multiple ways to have both Logic and PT open simultaneously and somehow link them together.
If I can somehow use Logic for all the midi stuff, then flip up the PT window for all the routing and mixing, that would be perfect.
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I'm a Logic guy since I fool with hardware synths a lot. However I'm really looking forward to trying Pro Tools for the audio side of things once my rig is finally up.
I was reading somewhere about how there are multiple ways to have both Logic and PT open simultaneously and somehow link them together.
If I can somehow use Logic for all the midi stuff, then flip up the PT window for all the routing and mixing, that would be perfect.
You have to tell Logic to not use any hardware. It can be used as TDM bridge and thru Direct Conect
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Do you think running Logic strictly as a midi sequencer along with having Pro Tools open that it would bog the system down? I'm not using any softsynths - hardware synths only, so just strictly a midi file playing back can't be too hard on the system resources. Maybe since the midi is going straight to my interface and also since the processing is offloaded to the DSP cards for the audio side of things, it won't be so bad.
I guess I'd have to sync via midi clock or something.
I'll be trying all of this out soon once my rig is finished...
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Do you think running Logic strictly as a midi sequencer along with having Pro Tools open that it would bog the system down? I'm not using any softsynths - hardware synths only, so just strictly a midi file playing back can't be too hard on the system resources. Maybe since the midi is going straight to my interface and also since the processing is offloaded to the DSP cards for the audio side of things, it won't be so bad.
I guess I'd have to sync via midi clock or something.
I'll be trying all of this out soon once my rig is finished...
seems like it should doable as long as u dont have logic taking the audio interface and only locked to the midi interface.......
and pt locked to the audio interface....
u should be able to set up sync. but u would need a second midi interface for pro tools to sync to the other interface taken up by logic
for MTC transport sync etc
im sure theres other syncronization options tho..
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OSX can do this by default using the IAC midi thing so no additional interface needed. Doesn't the OMS program in OS9 provide something like that?
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OSX can do this by default using the IAC midi thing so no additional interface needed. Doesn't the OMS program in OS9 provide something like that?
oh yes thats right!
-- because osx midi's implementation was designed by old staff members of the opcode company i read somewhere..
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I believe OMS is equal to AMS. So yeah Opcode guys did it.
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OSX can do this by default using the IAC midi thing so no additional interface needed. Doesn't the OMS program in OS9 provide something like that?
mac os 9 also offers an IAC bus
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I can help out here, but Chris you have to go back and edit the OP to include StudioVision. ::)
Okay arguably StudioVision was the very first program to integrate audio and midi at a high level. The previous apps were either a midi app, or a tape deck replacement. SV brought on the revolution. Would it have happened without SV? Sure, of course--but they were the first. ;)
Lets talk about some of the cats that programed at Opcode. I'll start with Doug--he's most apropo to the current discussion because he was the architect of OMS. I was at Opcode while he was creating OMS--it was an exciting time, and working with Doug was heady.
Doug went on to Apple when Opcode died. Guess what he did there? The same thing. :P Yup all of the Core Midi stuff was Doug doing OMS 2.0. This is why it rocks so hard. He took all his knowledge, and experience creating OMS, and applied it to Core Midi. There were probably some other folks that helped, but I don't know them so oh well.
Okay back to SV--Dave O. the captain of the Opcode ship, and the mind behind StudioVision went on to Digi after Opcode died. Guess what he's doing over there? Midi. :P Yup so all that tasty midi that's been showing up in PT is thanks to Dave. SV was being developed at the same time as OMS was being developed. It was an exciting time at Opcode. At the same time this was going on David Z. was making Max a commercial product via Opcode. Yeah it was really fucking cool to be around all these super cats. :D
In answer to your opening question: The one you know. Really it seems like a goofy answer, but it's totally true. If you don't know one yet then see what your friends use, because then you'll have someone to help you when you get stuck--and you will get stuck. Although forums and YouTube have changes things so much.
For me StudioVision is what brought me to this forum. Many of the other apps have made it to OS X, and have improved significantly over the years. I'm totally blown away by the current version of DP. Yeah sure there are things that I'd like to see it do. Zooming for one--it would be great if you could zoom with the touch pad like browsers, iPads, and iPhones do. But for going back to OS9 I think it's about using something that was special in that time, and for me SV fits that option pretty well. There are things it does well that other apps still don't do. Ray's strip charts are still the best, and the replace event/selection tools will make your head spin with ideas (and glad you studied math). ;)
If you get a chance on the E-mu Morpheus and Orbit there are demo songs that my buddy Jeremy and I did where I used a lot of my best SV continuous controller tricks. It was a lot of fun, and I'm grateful that E-mu was cool enough to let us do it. :D
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those 2 are the only e-mu modules i *dont* have prety much.. ok well there are more but i have a bunch other hten those.. Z plane filters ;D
i have a proteus-1, procussion + proteus 2000
thats cool that u did one of the demo tracks!!! interesting
and those were out in like.. 94 / 95!!
i was a dancing raver kid jumping up + down to breakbeats + house hihats at the time lol
yes ive been trying to stress the importance of opcode studio vision to the admins here for quite some time, they seem to think studio vision is an antiquated piece of *** and isnt worth posting in the downloads section unfortunately.. if it was up to me all the opcode downloads would be posted publicly. i dont know the program well but the ltitle that i have seen of it via videos on the tube, (and there arent many) + of course its history, has my utmost respect.. and i plan on making my b&W g3 dedicated to studio vision pro permanently.
from what ive seen it has a great deal of advanced thinking going on with its user interface... and theres a reason why it was first.. and revolutionary with what it was capable of doing. midi composers must have really loved working with it.
ive been told alot of the early 90s house music producers in new york used it first back in the very earlu 90s (1990/1991) (louie vega, benji candelario, wayne rollins etc)
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I'll respond to this after I get some sleep. I only got about 4 hours last night, and I'm totally roasted right now. :o But Damn if all of this reminiscing isn't bringing back a flood of memories (mostly good ones). ::)
I'll tell you lots about the Z-plane--they are wicked wicked wicked cool. 8)
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chokobo,
Thanks for giving us some inside info from the Opcode camp. It was very interesting, and filled in some gaps. Awesome post ;)
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As a DAW - Pro Tools, hands down
As a sequencer - Logic all the way :)
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yes ive been trying to stress the importance of opcode studio vision to the admins here for quite some time, they seem to think studio vision is an antiquated piece of *** and isnt worth posting in the downloads section unfortunately..
It's on the downloads from now on:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2527.msg14730#msg14730
if it was up to me all the opcode downloads would be posted publicly. i dont know the program well but the ltitle that i have seen of it via videos on the tube, (and there arent many) + of course its history, has my utmost respect.. and i plan on making my b&W g3 dedicated to studio vision pro permanently.
from what ive seen it has a great deal of advanced thinking going on with its user interface... and theres a reason why it was first.. and revolutionary with what it was capable of doing. midi composers must have really loved working with it.
ive been told alot of the early 90s house music producers in new york used it first back in the very earlu 90s (1990/1991) (louie vega, benji candelario, wayne rollins etc)
It had some very good points at the beginning. But the Object Oriented technology and superior VST implementation of Cubase greatly surpassed Studio Vision, IMHO.
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I'm with Knez on this one. Pro Tools for audio and mixing, Logic for sequencing. I tried Vision a few times and I just couldn't mesh with it. The piano roll looks weird, everything in it looks tiny so I have to squint at the screen, and it just seems like a rather 'modular' windowed program overall.
I spent 2-3 months setting up some default Logic and Pro Tools templates for everyday use. You absolutely can't beat Logic's screensets feature. I've got 9 of them assigned to the number keys on my keyboard for switching between the piano roll, the midi drum editor and the environment for changing midi patches on my hardware synths. That, combined with the 'link' feature on the windows, spread across two 1920X1080 monitors, and you absolutely won't find anything better ergonomically. I've got this down down to an art!
All of that is on two Powermac 9600 machines. I had to pay someone to hack some oldschool Mac video card drivers for me to have them run at 1920X1080. I'm probably the only person in the world with this setup -afro-
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Also, from what I could tell, Vision was more about getting the skeleton of a song worked out so you have a glance at the big picture really fast. It seemed a lot more difficult to look at things close up to fine-tune things. It might look a little more organized than Logic, but that's why I'm rocking two widescreen monitors along with programmed screensets. With that kind of setup, I can instantly get the big picture, plus look at things at the microscopic level with the single press of a key. I spent more time trying to find out how to do stuff in Vision than I did actually using the thing. It might be good for a 'loop' type person, but when you're scoring orchestral stuff and you've got lots of hardware synths, Logic comes out on top.
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I had to pay someone to hack some oldschool Mac video card drivers for me to have them run at 1920X1080. I'm probably the only person in the world with this setup -afro-
interesting.. which cards are u using? i think i remember u mentioning "twin turbo pci" ?
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Yep, they're of the Twin Turbo variety. There are different cards of the same family that require different drivers so that means a different type of hack. Plus, if I remember correctly there are different revisions of the cards which have different EPROMs in them, and they also require a different type of hack. I have two of those Twin Turbos running at 1920X1080 with some long VGA cables and it rules. I also got him to program a system extension thing which switches the resolution at startup so no more having to manually switch it every time.
You can't go wrong with two 1920X1080 monitors running on a Powermac 9600 on System 7 -afro-
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ive never been able to find a 9600 or anything older then a b&w g3
my first mac was a beige performa 6400 and i ran system 7 on it..
but did mostly photoshop + web design with it.
i dont even remember getting rid of it..
i think my parents must have recycled it after i moved out
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Performa_6400.jpg)(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=249.0;attach=2620;image)
2 whole pci slots;)
i dont think i even knew it could have a sound card added to it at the time..
definately no usb on that machine
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Once you try midi interfaces with a serial port, you'll never go back. I was sad to see the B&W G3s be the last ones with it built in.
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Once you try midi interfaces with a serial port, you'll never go back. I was sad to see the B&W G3s be the last ones with it built in.
u mean the beige g3's... the b&w g3s require stealth port via modem port
(or griffin gport/g4port http://web.archive.org/web/19991009053358/http://griffintechnology.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/19991014000405/http://www.griffintechnology.com/g3/gPort.pdf
http://web.archive.org/web/20030411081737/http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/gport/index.html )
i still am lacking one for my B&W.. i have a megawolf pci installed at the moment still trying to find
a stealth port for it.. to free up the pci slot.
didnt u have success with the keyspan pci card?
wow i didnt know thye made a serial adapter for the cube. that is probably rare as hell
http://web.archive.org/web/20030421232617/http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/gport/cubeport.html
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Yeah, I meant the beige ones. I have one of those PCI cards but I forget which one. It works well, but I prefer the built-in ones on older Powermacs.
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What do you think the best DAW for an iMac G3 is? No mention on that angle. PT requires hardware which is hard to find.
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For my iMac G3 DV 400Mhz i always used Cubase VST 5.1 or Logic 4 without any shortcomings.
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Ok, would these allow live record? Say I have my drum machine and synth melody playing while I add a bass line and some added sounds live while they loop? Thanks for the quick response btw
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Sure. Whatever setup you are refering to i think there is no problem as this imac is perfectly capable of low latency recording including using only the sound manager driver.
Are you using Midi ?
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No MIDI. My synths are using headphone jacks for a line out.
Korg MS 20 Mini
Three Teenage Engineering POs
I have a Korg SQ1 OTW.
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I have used mostly Logic. I started with SVP and Max which I bought at a firesale price when Opcode went ot of business. I used Max a lot more than SVP, and still use it today.
The first "normal" linear DAW I used to any great extent was Logic 4.7 on a PowerMac 8500. It was a capable and stable setup which I would still recommend for old-world Macs. I used it with a Studio 4 for MIDI and IIRC a SeaSound Solo for audio. I don't do a lot of DAW work these days, but my go-to is Logic 6.4 running on a MDD G4. It has everything I loved about 4.7 but better.
I tried Cubase 4 and 5 but they didn't gel with my sensibilities at the time, I don't remember why. I tried ProTools 5 LE and really hated it then, but never had any ProTools hardware to use it with. Digital Performer I never spent any time with, I've only seen it when working with friends. My guess is that I went with Logic because it was the first one I was able to find my way around in. Going back to Cubase or ProTools now would have the benefit of my current experience. I had nobody to teach me anything.
One thing I liked about SVP is that it was easy to run practically anything in it via MIDI, so you could work and not even need to look at the computer at all. This might be true of others also, but it was easy with SVP.
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Once you try midi interfaces with a serial port, you'll never go back. I was sad to see the B&W G3s be the last ones with it built in.
none of the b+w g3's had serial ports built in.. they were the first models to have USB and no serial port.
i think you must have this confused with the beige G3's!
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Once you try midi interfaces with a serial port, you'll never go back. I was sad to see the B&W G3s be the last ones with it built in.
none of the b+w g3's had serial ports built in.. they were the first models to have USB and no serial port.
i think you must have this confused with the beige G3's!
The b+w g3's had one serial port built in that could be used with a serial keyboard/serial mouse and serial port dongles etc. but not serial port printing. And yes the serial midi on macs were rock solid!!
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nope they didnt have any serial ports.. they all had usb..
u are confusing serial with ADB. ADB apple desktop bus for keyboard + mouse only.. no printers or modems.
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Anything from B&W onward had no built-in external serial. The modem serial port was only internal via the modem card slot and required a Stealth Serial Port to get a DIN connector extenally. This continued as an option through the end of the G4 series. It even works with the modem card slot in a G3 Pismo Powerbook if you're willing to make physical modification to allow it to fit and feed out a cable - I know because I've tried it myself.
ADB, external Serial and SCSI were all dropped at the transition and replaced by USB and Firewire. The beige G3s desktops were the last of the older generation.
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Confusing ADB with serial ???
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It even works with the modem card slot in a G3 Pismo Powerbook if you're willing to make physical modification to allow it to fit and feed out a cable - I know because I've tried it myself.
I thought that I might have been the only one! High five.
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Anything from B&W onward had no built-in external serial. The modem serial port was only internal via the modem card slot and required a Stealth Serial Port to get a DIN connector extenally. This continued as an option through the end of the G4 series. It even works with the modem card slot in a G3 Pismo Powerbook if you're willing to make physical modification to allow it to fit and feed out a cable - I know because I've tried it myself.
ADB, external Serial and SCSI were all dropped at the transition and replaced by USB and Firewire. The beige G3s desktops were the last of the older generation.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g3/specs/powerbook_g3_400_fw.html
is this the system u refer to that has a modem card slot?
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Yeah, the modem slot looks like it's the same in the Powermac G4s, Lombard and Pismo Powerbooks, and also the iMac G4s.
The Mac Mini and Powermac G5s have a different one, which may or may not be the same. I don't know about the iceBooks and Powerbook G4s.
The later G4 machines use a USB modem, and this also works in my Gigabit G4. The Stealth Port also works in the iMac G4, so that header is standard across a range of machines and appears to have both USB and serial (and possibly more) on it.
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honestly com in after 5 years of atari 1040 STE and a 24 tracks akai
i never found the midi grooving the same on cubase
whatever the version i used
i prefer pro tools and dp ( the 2.72 hi hi )
it s artistic and romantic :)
i know it sounds crazy
but the best audio treat me
nt and stability is the dp2.72 with all the waves and vst wrapper .. all the rest i use on the mixing rack out of the computer
it depends of the philosophy
when you re more musician and guitar and bass player like i am
muliti instrumentiste
[email protected]
you can hear my music
i don't want to think and be absorbed by others things
and it is a smart tape which a lot of possibilities
that is all i wait from a computer
and no police like in mac os 10 in the house :)
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I have to revise my opinion on my favorite DAW.
Pro Tools is definitely the best for audio, hands down. I used to use Logic, but now - after using Studio Vision for a good two weeks and reading the entire manual cover to cover, Vision is by far the greatest midi sequencer ever made. Ever.
EVER.
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I have to revise my opinion on my favorite DAW.
Pro Tools is definitely the best for audio, hands down. I used to use Logic, but now - after using Studio Vision for a good two weeks and reading the entire manual cover to cover, Vision is by far the greatest midi sequencer ever made. Ever.
EVER.
Aahhh… another convert! You actually read the entire manual? Good for you! Educational as all hell, ain't it?
I must agree that PT in OS9 is certainly capable of excellent audio. BUT (and this is a great BIG Kardashian-sized BUT):
They're NOT comparable. I read all of the stuff you PT guys write back and forth involving your Accel cards and farm cards and host cards and card cards in your auxiliary Magma chassis and on and on. That's an awful lot of hardware that, even today, costs an awful lot of money. Back then, that hardware was literally Thousands of dollars, pounds, Euros…whatever
Compare SVP audio to PT LE or other version that uses only the host CPU and that "Pro Tools is definitely the best for audio, hands down" opinion will suddenly become very debatable.
Now, before all of the haters start accusing me of being controversial and trying to start a war, please just stop and think about it first.
ALL I'm saying here is that you cannot compare two systems that are so dissimilar where one of them uses the host computer only to control a giant stack of proprietary hardware. It's apples and oranges, or maybe watermelons.
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I have to revise my opinion on my favorite DAW.
Pro Tools is definitely the best for audio, hands down. I used to use Logic, but now - after using Studio Vision for a good two weeks and reading the entire manual cover to cover, Vision is by far the greatest midi sequencer ever made. Ever.
EVER.
I've never used any version of Vision but after this bold statement I checked out a few of the SVP videos on the site... It sure looks powerful but yet relatively simple! Even though I haven't done any heavy duty 'sequencing' in @ 25yrs, SVP makes me wanna break out the old midi gear and start having some fun with it!! ;D ;D
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To clarify, Pro Tools provides the most intense and extensive audio facilities out of all the oldschool DAWs. You get next to no latency and most plugins are run on the 68k cpus on the cards, so even an old 9600 like I'm rocking can have as any plugins on it as you've got cards. The audio editing features in PT are top notch and stuff like the drum replacement features are grand. For strictly audio editing and processing/mixing, PT is the way to go.
But Vision is the main topic at hand. I read 20-30 pages a day, slowly. I once accused it of being too 'modular'. It's modular alright, but what I didn't know is how quickly you can switch between the tracks, graphic, pulse etc windows, and how quick it is to... well, do anything. SVP should have been named Logic because everything is placed right where you'd expect to find it. I'm getting more work done in this midi editor in record times than ever.
To give an example of why SVP turned out better: I had to go into the Logic environment and create this really elaborate multi split instrument thing with different channels and note keys flowing down different environment cables, just to get a drumkit going from two different modules. I got that shit running on SVP within 15 seconds :o
I take it back when I said much earlier that Logic was better/the best for hardware synths. Nope. SoundDiver might support a lot of synths and you'd maybe want to use Logic for that, but nothing beats SVP for getting your tracks going pretty much as quickly as you write them.
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I couldn't have said it better.
Let me add that: on top of all that, when you get Vision and Galaxy working together like Logic and Soundiver, you quickly wonder how you ever lived without them before.
For example, I can have a percussion section of drums, congas & perc etc., all with actual drum names, spread across as many tracks as I like (for clarity) in SVP driving 2 or 3 hardware modules (such as Alesis D4 & DM5 & maybe an Emu) the outputs of which come into 8 - 10 inputs on my board at mix which I then group as desired.
A little anomaly in any drum I don't like? One click puts me in the Galaxy editor (which is standing by in the background) for that drumset where I have complete control over every parameter. 1 quick adjustment, 1 click back and I'm movin' on. The workflow is incredible.
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Studio Vision with a gport serial port on my B&W G3 is incredible. And Mix cards are on the way.
MPC style erase and repeat and no hanging notes. The arpeggiator is responsive and anticipates well what you expect. These things alone begin to set it apart. So musical and real-time.
The "Thru Instrument" concept is really hard to describe, so unique, but once you get it you'll be reaching for your sounds like you think of them. It's a "trackless" mode you jump in and out of to audition your next part. When you hit record a track automatically adapts to your current instrument.
Then there's the excellently strict rules each window in SVP adheres to. Once you master one window you can whip around on any of them. The cursor keys and +/- keys are heavily overloaded, depending where you are focused.
Little things like "just typing" when you are in a name field is so direct and intuitive. You don't have to specifically tell SVP to do everything. ;)
P.S. It is so freaking easy to layer instruments from one track of MIDI...finally...
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I'm always happy to see another convert to SVP. It's only after you actually use the app for a while that you realize how truly amazing it was and still is.
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I'd have made more, and better music years ago with it. I surely wish I hadn't missed out on it for years. I was a Logic nut for years, but I literally don't use it any more at all. I'll only ever use anything else if I HAVE to.
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Just looked through a couple of Studio Vision 4.0 "tours" on YouTube. I must say that they got me very curious about SV.
Need to try it out in the studio for sure :P
Right now my all time favorite DAW is Pro Tools 5.1.3. The way it sounds is just amazing. I mostly work in Pro Tools 10 nowadays, but is sounds somehow less than 5.1.3. My all time favorite MIDI sequencer is Notator on the Atari ST. Still haven't found anything remotely like it. That's one of the reasons I still keep an Atari 1040STe in the studio.
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funny this thread ended up being about SVP, when that wasnt even in the original post ;)
im still surprised many here on this site have next to nothing to say about Ableton Live 4.14!
which is the most recently updated app available for mac os 9, after Logic Bailed on mac os 9
ableton held out till mid 2005 i think.. and still supported mac os 9 even after the intel macs were
rolled out!
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The short answer is: Logic.
It's were Apple put their money, when they purchased it from Emagic. They have very good advisors.
The long answer is: Well, it depends on your hardware and requirments.
The best answer: The one you feel most comfortable with and works well with your particular workflow. If you don't need MIDI and are recording a band, PT is great for a "take one, take two" recording sessions. If you need easy MIDI arranging, Cubase or Logic are the way to go. If you want to dig deeper, Logic or SVP.
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For years I've had a retired G3 B/W in the attic - then stumbled over a pair of Digidesign DSP cards for 100 bucks... too cheapo to pass. Soon a Digidesign 888 IO/20 with cable was added for another 100 plus one such 'abandoned' PT 5.1.3 software.
In fact: original value probably in the $25k range ;)
My main DAW is SawStudio under Windoze XP (few to no Midi) which also features a fairly extensive Creamware Scope DSP system.
For some specific plugins there's a dedicated Win-7 system with an Audient ID22 interface.
(just to illustrate my sonic background which spans native processing and 2 different DSP environments)
The soundquality of PT TDM and of some (not all) plugins really surprised me and I prefer it over most native Intel versions.
Originally the TDM rig was intended only as an external fx processor to add a different color, but it turned out audio editing was rather close to SawStudio so I consider it a full DAW now.
Most appreciated feature is the (named) region management/handling.
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The short answer is: Logic.
It's were Apple put their money, when they purchased it from Emagic. They have very good advisors.
The long answer is: Well, it depends on your hardware and requirments.
The best answer: The one you feel most comfortable with and works well with your particular workflow. If you don't need MIDI and are recording a band, PT is great for a "take one, take two" recording sessions. If you need easy MIDI arranging, Cubase or Logic are the way to go. If you want to dig deeper, Logic or SVP.
well not always.. sometimes theres great features in other applications that we havent seen in action or learned how to use, sharing tips is great, not everyone has the same approach or technique.. but i would say that the opposite is even more true, that people tend to talk down other software that escapes their mode of thinking, because they just cant grasp how to use it, either because of a hard-rooted preference in another interface/workflow or because they just have never learned how its done! but honestly this is way more due to lack of proper educational resources than it is due to anyones inability to learn.