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Digital Audio Workstation & MIDI => Digital Audio Workstations & MIDI Applications => Cubase/Nuendo by Steinberg => Topic started by: supernova777 on June 20, 2014, 02:02:58 PM

Title: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on June 20, 2014, 02:02:58 PM
just noticing..
why dont we have version 3.5 of cubase ?
or versions prior to this?

the logic early versions will work on os9 but
what about the early versions of cubase?

(http://www.grenier-du-mac.net/copiecran/C/cubase25.jpg) (cubase 2.5 pictured)

early cubase macintosh versions according to wikipedia-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Cubase 1.0 Macintosh1990 - Cubase 1.0 is released for the Apple Macintosh computers
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Cubase Audio1991 - Macintosh, this version relied on the TDM system from Digidesign for the audio portion
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Cubase Audio 3.01996 - TDM for Macintosh Cubase Audio 3.0 TDM had up to 16 Audio Tracks with TDM Support for up to 48 Physical Audio Tracks. Cubase Audio 3.0 TDM contained all the new features of Cubase Score 2.0. It also had OMS II Support and MovieManager Support.
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Cubase VST3.0 Macintosh1996 - up to 32 tracks of digital audio. Up to 128 realtime EQs. Professional effects rack with 4 multi-effect processors. Plug in interface for external plug-ins, allowing external audio technology to be integrated into the Cubase environment. Professional score printing, up to 60 staves per page, 8-voice polyphony. Had a bug limiting memory in the host system to 64 MB on the PowerMac. Was eventually resolved with a patch.
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would be cool to track down a version of cubase audio 3.0 (1996) ? considering it has oms support?
theres a pretty big gap in the information there too. 1991 -1995?
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: MacTron on June 20, 2014, 02:14:32 PM
Quote from: MacTron on June 20, 2014, 01:49:51 PM
I'll take a look...
I'll take a look, again. LOL
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: MacTron on June 20, 2014, 04:20:02 PM
The old versions of Cubase which I have:

Cubase 2.5 (1992)
Cubase Lite 1.0 (1993)
Cubasis 1.0 (1995)
Cubase Audio XT (1996)
Cubasis AV (1996)
Cubase Score 2.0 (1996)
Cubase Audio VST (1997)

Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on June 20, 2014, 06:59:43 PM
these all work? on g4's??????
this page -> https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grenier-du-mac.net%2Ffiches%2Fapplications%2FCubase25.htm&edit-text=&act=url
says system 6 thru to 8.6?
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: arjen_1 on June 21, 2014, 02:20:19 AM
Take a look in my uploaded archive....Lots of old Cubase versions & more.
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on June 21, 2014, 02:32:40 AM
im particularly interested in the 91 92 93 94 versions of logic, cubase + pro tools
due to my own interest in electronic/house tracks that were made in that time period
to use the same tools that some of my favourite tracks were made with for instance would
give me great joy + wonder;)

but 1992 - 1993 most of all!

do either of u have any experience with these early 90s versions working on os 9?
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: MacTron on June 21, 2014, 02:52:26 AM
I'll upload those to My FTP folder.
Quote from: chrisNova777 on June 20, 2014, 06:59:43 PM
these all work? on g4's??????
this page -> https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grenier-du-mac.net%2Ffiches%2Fapplications%2FCubase25.htm&edit-text=&act=url
says system 6 thru to 8.6?

Most of them startup and quit normally in my G4 with Mac Os 9.2. But I haven't fully tested it, nor at his time (1990 - 1996) because in this time, I was using mainly Coda Finale and Ballade.
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on June 22, 2014, 05:15:49 AM
well it seems to load instantly + fine.. I will test further asap!
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: arjen_1 on June 22, 2014, 05:42:26 AM
Quote from: chrisNova777 on June 21, 2014, 02:32:40 AM
do either of u have any experience with these early 90s versions working on os 9?

No but I've worked with all versions before I owned my Imac G3. However if you want to work with Cubase on a G4 like the way most of us did in the 90's.......Use Cubase 5 without audio/vst. Really, the midi-part has not changed that much. E.g. just load the arp. and you'll be back in time.

Greetz,
Arjen
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on June 22, 2014, 05:56:06 AM
arjen of course i will use that but at the same time.. i want to see for my own educational wonder, what this looked like way back in 92-93;)
closer to the beginning;) these apps werent written for g4's thats for sure.. whereas version 5 most definately was so of course it will be better on a g4..
the 1992-1993 versions must have been coded for 68k processor running the very first versions of system 7 + system 6.
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: Irisman on June 29, 2014, 02:25:24 AM

I am a pure cubasian since Atari years, so I like a lot this idea.

I have actually installed on my MacOs 8.6 working copies of:

- Cubase Score 3.0
- Cubasis
- Cubase VST/24 4.1
- Cubase Audio 3.01 VST
- Cubase Audio XT 3.0


The following opens and quits but no OMS MIDI support, so no midi out data for me:
- Cubase 2.5



Still I have not tested a OMS version compatible with MIDI MANAGER that maybe allow all versions work on my system. Maybe interesting only for testing purposes, anyway...
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: Syntho on July 08, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
We have a Cubase 5 VST/24 and a Cubase 5 VST/32 here. Were these released simultaneously and the 32bit floating point version was released separately? I wonder if that's the only difference between VST/24 and VST/32.
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on July 08, 2014, 06:03:09 PM
Quote from: Syntho on July 08, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
We have a Cubase 5 VST/24 and a Cubase 5 VST/32 here. Were these released simultaneously and the 32bit floating point version was released separately? I wonder if that's the only difference between VST/24 and VST/32.

i think they were virtually identical except that steinberg sold them seperatley and at different prices
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: Syntho on July 08, 2014, 06:21:26 PM
I didn't find any info on it. All I see is that VST 4.0 and below was VST/24 and VST 5 was VST/32. Wikipedia doesn't list it either. Hmm...
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: arjen_1 on July 13, 2014, 12:04:46 PM
Quote from: Syntho on July 08, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
We have a Cubase 5 VST/24 and a Cubase 5 VST/32 here. Were these released simultaneously and the 32bit floating point version was released separately? I wonder if that's the only difference between VST/24 and VST/32.

The difference explained by SOS:
"Although all three versions of Cubase 5.0 now support both 16-bit and 24-bit audio, such is the pace of technology that the flagship version has now moved on to support 32-bit floating-point files for recording, mixdown and export. If you have the best 24-bit converters your recorded audio will have a dynamic range of perhaps 115dB, but the benefit of the 32-bit float format is massive amounts of headroom for mixing. Overload is now nearly impossible as long as the master fader is pulled down low enough to ensure that you never exceed 0dBFS on the output to your soundcard. This also benefits VST Instruments, which can generate large transients.
A further option in VST/32 is TrueTape recording, which simulates tape saturation for those who are still convinced that digital is cold and hard. It operates at the point when a 16-bit or 24-bit recording is converted into the 32-bit float format, and its variable Drive control will generate subtle amounts of extra harmonics during the recording process, or up to 24dB of saturation if you want to overdose on analogue artefacts.

VST/32 also supports up to 128 audio channels, compared with the 72 of the other two models in the range, and it includes the famed Apogee dithering algorithm for final dithering down to 16-bit during mastering. This, in fact, has fewer controls than the dithering available in VST and Score, with just Normal and Low settings, along with an Autoblack button to mute dither noise during silent passages, and works by placing an algorithmically generated 'clump' of energy at around 22kHz. It is claimed to be more than just a new flavour of dithered noise, and the algorithm is used widely in top-end systems such as Soundscape and Pro Tools.".

Internal resolution in all versions is 32 bit.

Greetz,
Arjen

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep00/articles/steinbergcubase.htm
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: arjen_1 on July 13, 2014, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: chrisNova777 on June 22, 2014, 05:56:06 AM
arjen of course i will use that but at the same time.. i want to see for my own educational wonder, what this looked like way back in 92-93;)
closer to the beginning;) these apps werent written for g4's thats for sure.. whereas version 5 most definately was so of course it will be better on a g4..
the 1992-1993 versions must have been coded for 68k processor running the very first versions of system 7 + system 6.

Yeah I understand. I've worked with the earliest Cubase versions on my Macintosh ED (512KB memory!). And to me the fun thing about Cubase was that it just didn't change. Besides the obvious change of esthetics; the core remained... even in Cubase VST 5. You can find parts of the program that are just untouched. The arp is one of those. Check for yourself.  ;D
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on July 13, 2014, 07:17:59 PM
 8)
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: arjen_1 on July 14, 2014, 12:21:23 AM
LOL.....cool!
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on August 27, 2014, 01:01:32 AM
Quote from: Irisman on June 29, 2014, 02:25:24 AM
The following opens and quits but no OMS MIDI support, so no midi out data for me:
- Cubase 2.5

(https://yy2.staticflickr.com/3542/3364573686_4b1aced01f.jpg)
maybe this version requires a 68k cpu?

what the hell did they do for midi without oms?
oh yes. midi manager ? for os7 ? right?
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: IIO on August 27, 2014, 01:41:18 AM
Quote from: Syntho on July 08, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
We have a Cubase 5 VST/24 and a Cubase 5 VST/32 here. Were these released simultaneously and the 32bit floating point version was released separately? I wonder if that's the only difference between VST/24 and VST/32.

they came out together and indeed the audiofile resolution is the only difference. and the "truetape" input-plug-in for that matter.
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: MacTron on August 27, 2014, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: IIO on August 27, 2014, 01:41:18 AM
Quote from: Syntho on July 08, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
We have a Cubase 5 VST/24 and a Cubase 5 VST/32 here. Were these released simultaneously and the 32bit floating point version was released separately? I wonder if that's the only difference between VST/24 and VST/32.

they came out together and indeed the audiofile resolution is the only difference. and the "truetape" input-plug-in for that matter.

The VST/32 includes all Cubase Score extras also.
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: IIO on August 27, 2014, 06:06:04 PM
right, and "reverb32". :)
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on September 01, 2014, 12:15:24 AM
screenshot of Cubase VST 3.5 on mac os 9
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: Irisman on September 14, 2014, 04:13:22 AM
Quote from: chrisNova777 on August 27, 2014, 01:01:32 AM
Quote from: Irisman on June 29, 2014, 02:25:24 AM
The following opens and quits but no OMS MIDI support, so no midi out data for me:
- Cubase 2.5

(https://yy2.staticflickr.com/3542/3364573686_4b1aced01f.jpg)
maybe this version requires a 68k cpu?

what the hell did they do for midi without oms?
oh yes. midi manager ? for os7 ? right?


Surely you are right. Too old software for 8.6.
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: Ariesdude7 on September 18, 2014, 11:39:36 AM
Hey MacTron... Is there anyway I could get that Cubasis Av from 1996? I been looking everywhere for that. [email protected]
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: MacTron on September 18, 2014, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: Ariesdude7 on September 18, 2014, 11:39:36 AM
Hey MacTron... Is there anyway I could get that Cubasis Av from 1996? I been looking everywhere for that. [email protected]

Wow, long search...

Here you have:
https://www.adrive.com/public/yUdhPy/Cubasis%20AV.sit

Enjoy!
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: Ariesdude7 on September 18, 2014, 04:03:27 PM
Right on MacTron... I got a ton of old stuff I did on there... Doesn't really sound the same with the vst 2.0 version I have... Which vst version would allow me to take the drums to different tracks besides track 10 without changing anything else about the sound?
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on December 21, 2014, 10:48:31 PM
Quote from: Ariesdude7 on September 18, 2014, 04:03:27 PM
Right on MacTron... I got a ton of old stuff I did on there... Doesn't really sound the same with the vst 2.0 version I have... Which vst version would allow me to take the drums to different tracks besides track 10 without changing anything else about the sound?

track 10? u mean channel 10?
this was just a standard for GM.. to have drum notes + midi on channel 10
u dont have to do it this way thats just the way that the gm instruments came set up

Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on April 13, 2015, 05:14:07 AM
Quote from: MacTron on June 20, 2014, 04:20:02 PM
The old versions of Cubase which I have:

Cubase 2.5 (1992)
Cubase Lite 1.0 (1993)
Cubasis 1.0 (1995)
Cubase Audio XT (1996)
Cubasis AV (1996)
Cubase Score 2.0 (1996)
Cubase Audio VST (1997)

Cubase score 2.0 is from early 1995.. around the same time as cubasis 1.0
u can see this info with the demo download i posted:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2157.0

all the other dates listed here seem to be correct;)
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on April 14, 2015, 12:13:07 PM
i found this page
http://toddp.com/classic/BasiliskII%202Gb%20Software%207.6.1/Applications/Cubase%202.5.1/
Cubase 2.5.1 for mac (Aug 1994)
im not sure if a working 2.5.1 is retrievable from this location it appears to be for os 7.6.1
the modified date of some of the files dates this program as August 1994!!!!

unfortunately some of the file sizes are specified as 0 which is not a good sign

ok now i found this!!
http://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=19930
it appears to be a working copy.. in stuffit format
Cubase 2.5.1r3.img

perhaps someone can test this to see it works in mac os 9!
probably a good idea to search fully this download area:
http://macgui.com/downloads/?cat_id=228
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: MusicWorks on May 16, 2015, 07:44:39 AM
Hey Mactron,

Could you please upload Cubase Audio XT (1996)?

Been trying to find this forever!

Thanks

- MusicWorks
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: supernova777 on May 18, 2015, 05:00:16 AM
 8)
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: MusicWorks on May 18, 2015, 07:41:06 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: mocheez on February 24, 2016, 01:37:45 AM
Any chance to find a working Cubase 1.0 for Mac, somewhere? I've been trying Cubase 2.5 on my Mac SE but I get "unimplemented trap" errors. I guess I need System 7, rather than 6.0.8, but being limited to 1Mb of ram, I didn't dare try…
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: mocheez on February 27, 2016, 12:08:40 AM
I'm finding so much, er… nothing… about Cubase 1.0 for Mac, not even a screenshot, that I'm starting to wonder if it's not vaporware.
Even these posts get no answer whatsoever http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2734.msg16698#msg16698
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: IIO on February 29, 2016, 10:35:42 AM
the predecesor of cubase 2.0 on the MacOS was Cubit/MROS; you could call that cubase 1 if you want.
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: mocheez on March 12, 2016, 03:44:28 PM
I don't think "Cubit" was ever released… At least with that name ;-)
Here's what the official Steinberg website says, right after the launch of Cubase 1.0 for Atari : "1990 - Cubase becomes available for the highly popular Apple Macintosh"

https://www.steinberg.net/en/company/aboutsteinberg.html (https://www.steinberg.net/en/company/aboutsteinberg.html)
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: Philgood on March 13, 2016, 12:56:52 AM
I think IIO is right. It wasn't called Cubase in the beginning. Let me see if i have he original box here...will be back with a foto hopefully
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: mocheez on March 13, 2016, 03:12:19 AM
Yes, he's right in a way : Cubase was first called Cubeat, then Cubit, but for some legal reasons they had to change the name and it was first released in 1989 as Cubase 1.0, for the Atari. So there's no reason that in 1990, the Mac version would be named Cubit ;-)
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: IIO on March 13, 2016, 05:04:04 AM
it is probably also debatable if MROS applications are "mac versions".

this is always a matter of perspective, just as the question of what has been "released" or not. :)
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: IIO on March 13, 2016, 05:05:35 AM
main request remains: VST 5.2 with a stable systemlink and a working rewire routing window.
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: geforceg4 on July 19, 2016, 11:43:35 PM
Quote from: arjen_1 on June 21, 2014, 02:20:19 AM
Take a look in my uploaded archive....Lots of old Cubase versions & more.

where is this uploaded archive?
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: geforceg4 on August 03, 2016, 08:08:14 AM
whats the last Cubase version that is 100% MIDI only? before they added any Audio recording abilities?

is it this cubase 2.5?
http://www.grenier-du-mac.net/fiches/applications/Cubase25.htm
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: geforceg4 on August 13, 2016, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: mocheez on March 13, 2016, 03:12:19 AM
Yes, he's right in a way : Cubase was first called Cubeat, then Cubit, but for some legal reasons they had to change the name and it was first released in 1989 as Cubase 1.0, for the Atari. So there's no reason that in 1990, the Mac version would be named Cubit ;-)

this page shows some early atari history
http://atarimusic.exxoshost.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=245:history-of-cubase&catid=59:atari-music-software&Itemid=213

you might be better off looking on the 68k mac forums site  https://68kmla.org/forums/
macos9lives is more powerpc oriented... theres some 68k stuff here but im sure they would be more specialized in the early 90s + system 7 versions of apps

i would love to hear if u succeed in finding the original cubase for the macintosh plus + mac SE/30 machines!
re: the name change from cubit to cubeat to cubase.... it says it exists at the top of the page (FIRST POST on this page)
Quote
Cubase 1.0 Macintosh   1990 - Cubase 1.0 is released for the Apple Macintosh computers
so it must exist as "cubase 1.0" only its rare + vintage + hard to find probably
but.. imho u might aswell just use the cubase 2.5 version or even the cubase audio XT
these are the last pre-vst versions that were MIDI or MIDI/AUDIO with no Virtual VST technology
and as far as i know they were all 68k compatible?? maybe mactron could confirm that

heres a related post:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/802894-vintage-mac-i-couldnt-stop-myself.html
(https://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/music-computers/325505d1358213239-vintage-mac-i-couldnt-stop-myself-img_2445.jpg)
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: geforceg4 on August 16, 2016, 08:47:58 PM
on this page https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/7173-midi-interface-and-performer-for-mac-classic/
a guy talks about a file "Cubase2.5.1r3.img"

does anyone have this version of cubase for mac?
for system 7?
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: geforceg4 on August 16, 2016, 09:25:30 PM
it seems the files here:
http://toddp.com/classic/BasiliskII%202Gb%20Software%207.6.1/Applications/
might just be the same as the cubase 2.5.1
talked about on the french page linked here above
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grenier-du-mac.net%2Ffiches%2Fapplications%2FCubase25.htm&edit-text=&act=url

hes got lots of stuff just sittin here:
http://toddp.com/classic/Software%20Install/

more stuff here:
http://toddp.com/classic/Software%20Install/Multimedia%20Production/
-logic dongle emulator v1.2

seems to be all stuff for system 7 (7.6.1)

hmm heres audacity 1.0 for mac! (2002)
http://toddp.com/classic/Software%20Install/Multimedia%20Production/audacity-mac-1.0.0/
i think i was looking for this before;) supports vst plugins?

http://toddp.com/classic/Software%20Install/Serials%20Cracks/Serials%202000
some cubase serials here for version 3.5?
lists a serial for logic 2.5! Logic Audio   2.5   s/n: 6447374   
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: macStuff on August 06, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Does cubase audio xt support opcode oms?

i love the UI of v2.5 for mac and earlier  - is there anyway to patch it to use OMS devices? using AMM + OMS together?
Title: Re: we have earlier versions of logic? why not cubase?
Post by: MacTron on August 08, 2019, 06:28:39 AM
Quote from: macStuff on August 06, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
... is there anyway to patch it to use OMS devices?
The Midi manager(s) that is(are) used in each App is hard coded inside it, there is no way of change it "internally".