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Digital Audio Workstation & MIDI => Digital Audio Workstations & MIDI Applications => Pro Tools by Digidesign => Topic started by: w3sl33 on October 29, 2020, 07:47:23 AM
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I have a Mix+ setup on a Quicksilver dual 1Ghz and wondering if I should get an MDD dual 1.25Ghz? I'm using a Keyspan Pro PCI card for my serial connection with
an Opcode 5LX and an MOTU MTP AV connecting my synths. Not even sure of the compatibility with the MDD. How do you know which MDD is the wind tunnel version? BTW this forum is great. Really learning a lot. :)
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MDDs are a lot louder.
I would keep with the GHz dual QS. I have one.
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Right? That's my hesitation. I remember at the time there was a lot of hoopla about the noise. I would have to put it in another room when I track.
Hard to say no to a cheap MDD though. . . Quicksilver has been very good with PT LE and TDM so I'll take your advice and stick with what works instead of what might.
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MDDs are a lot louder.
I would keep with the GHz dual QS. I have one.
Any advice about how to make it quieter? Maybe a new fan? I hear the computer on all the vocal tracks! 8)
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MDDs are a lot louder.
I would keep with the GHz dual QS. I have one.
Any advice about how to make it quieter? Maybe a new fan? I hear the computer on all the vocal tracks! 8)
Just search the forum, we probably have a dozen topics on exactly how to quiet QS and MDD units and which fans to get
Found a few, there are more
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4936.msg35847.html#msg35847
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4150.msg28490.html#msg28490
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5081.msg37480.html#msg37480
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one day we shall merge those into one.
oh right, new fans (for everything). need to put that on my christmas list.
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MDDs are a lot louder.
I would keep with the GHz dual QS. I have one.
Any advice about how to make it quieter? Maybe a new fan? I hear the computer on all the vocal tracks! 8)
Just search the forum, we probably have a dozen topics on exactly how to quiet QS and MDD units and which fans to get
Found a few, there are more
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4936.msg35847.html#msg35847
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4150.msg28490.html#msg28490
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5081.msg37480.html#msg37480
To quote my favorite film of the week
Nice!
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Just use the other room. And buy that cheap MDD and put a 001-AMIII system to do Altiverb+Delays and the other MIX stuff to the other room.
A quieter mix room is better for your music. Do it today!
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Just use the other room. And buy that cheap MDD and put a 001-AMIII system to do Altiverb+Delays and the other MIX stuff to the other room.
A quieter mix room is better for your music. Do it today!
You're right I've been looking for the motivation to drill a 8 inch hole through the closet wall which goes into the clothes closet in the adjoining bedroom.
I just have to snake the 2 ADAT bridge Y cables and Mix, Core cables etc through the wall and then it will be nice and quiet. Vocals I should just do in the bathroom which is 8 ft from the PT desk and AD/DA.
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i would prefer to have the computer in another house in another village, then drill wholes through all houses in the way between there and here.
it is probably still simpler than mounting new fans or using a silent rack.
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In a village renting is cheaper than a pair of noctua and a real silent rack.
Jokes aside you can have the PRO vs CONS in the "Machine Room"
PROS:
Quieter :-X
Healthier / Every hangs you have to exercise and go the other room. ;D
CONS:
Louder
Easy to reboot.
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You're right I've been looking for the motivation to drill a 8 inch hole through the closet wall which goes into the clothes closet in the adjoining bedroom.
I just have to snake the 2 ADAT bridge Y cables and Mix, Core cables etc through the wall and then it will be nice and quiet. Vocals I should just do in the bathroom which is 8 ft from the PT desk and AD/DA.
All out: Digiracks+G4s
A good USB
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A monitor cable
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L+R+Mic you record.
You mention only the G4 in machine room, but Digi stuff has fans?
Otherwise is too much
I have 2 RJ-45, 2 VGA, 1 DVI, 4 USB, 2 ADAT and a RCA SPDIF. Going ADC there soon thanks to a unicorn cable donated to me, a ADC extender cable
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True Digi stuff heats up the room. Only fans I hear are from the computer though. Silence is golden. Now I have gobos shielding the computers to stifle the noise. Im going to drill the wall for sure so I dont get a PT allergy by way of noisy puter
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using another room only works when the room is directly behind your monitor.
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using another room only works when the room is directly behind your monitor.
With VNC it can be on other village...
8m of VGA is cheap compared to ADAT. A powered USB extender can come in handy too.
You aproach the machine in other way when you cant hear the fans. Period.
As OP said you can put only the G4 there or you can put also the Digidesign ADAT IO and PSU there.
In my city, the biggest studio (Phil Newell designed) here has the machine room in the back of the engineer(7m) and the recording room in front of. Before protools they had an 486 hard disk recorder from OTARI. Then they moved to a G3 MIX ++ in a machine room. Then they moved to a G4 800 Dual on the mix room behind the desk for a few month before they could get longer cables. Then moved to G5. Not sure what they have now, but the Genelec and the Protools controller are there almost since begginning.
12 years ago Asereje was made by Queco here:
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Recording room
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From recording looking to control
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Just use the other room. And buy that cheap MDD and put a 001-AMIII system to do Altiverb+Delays and the other MIX stuff to the other room.
A quieter mix room is better for your music. Do it today!
I put the computer in the other rooms closet. Drilled through the wall and snaked the cables through. Totally psyched about the lack of noise.
Only thing I hear now is the Akai sampler buzz. 8)
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Only thing I hear now is the Akai sampler buzz. 8)
if you can stomach the cost, get an LED-backlit display for the Akai. Ive got an S3200XL which had a hella loud whine, replacing the LCD with an LED-backlit allowed me to completely disconnect the display inverter, no more coil whine. Ive since done that to all my gear that uses those displays, except for my kurzweil. pricey, but worth it.
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Only thing I hear now is the Akai sampler buzz. 8)
if you can stomach the cost, get an LED-backlit display for the Akai. Ive got an S3200XL which had a hella loud whine, replacing the LCD with an LED-backlit allowed me to completely disconnect the display inverter, no more coil whine. Ive since done that to all my gear that uses those displays, except for my kurzweil. pricey, but worth it.
I have a 3000XL, 2000XL and a CD3000i my main samplers. I have a K2000 but when I replaced the EPROM I must have zapped something because now the outputs are distorted and the sound is not usable so I use the K2000 as a controller. :-[ I will check out the LED displays. The 3000XL has a good original one but the CD3000i is barely visible.
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Now that the Hole is done, get the MDD!
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Now that the Hole is done, get the MDD!
How is it with PT MIX+? I dual boot OS9 (mixing) and 10.3.9 (tracking)
It might be a good time for me to either get a new power supply for the Quicksilver or replace it with another or an MDD.
It is having boot issues, won't turn on sometimes. Just keeps re-booting every few seconds. Finally got it going but wondering if there are too many cards and such ?
Keyspan serial card, Atto UL3D, Mix farm, Mix core, graphics card.
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How is it with PT MIX+? I dual boot OS9 (mixing) and 10.3.9 (tracking)
1.25 Dual > 1 Dual.
If you dont use ADC you can use a PC ATX PSU with a few mods on both with the info from ATXG4.com
I proposse you to use both machines, using the new machine to add performance to the MIX setup OTB. It could be with Cubase or Protools if you feel more confortable with it. A send to an amplitube or reverb or delay in the new machine (or Logic 8 in Leopard) can be almost real time and give you more options either adding more instruments or more "racks" to the mix
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If drillig. is not an option here is an ultra-quiet MDD. You can move ATX out of case
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Good mod!
The PSU in that case could be pasive (no fan) for an even quieter experience.
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Sure. Biggest problem here is inside anyway. You must use few quiet funs in low speed and (!) remove CDROM cad to make any airflow.This is design drawback from APPLE. When they fit in BW case 2 hot CPUs it was overkill from a beginning. Thats why APPLE had to use tractor funs to resolve a prob by the most stupid way
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It is having boot issues, won't turn on sometimes. Just keeps re-booting every few seconds. Finally got it going but wondering if there are too many cards and such ?
Keyspan serial card, Atto UL3D, Mix farm, Mix core, graphics card.
I would try a simpler setup. No Atto and no Farm to check if it is more stable. That means working with 2 ATA 66 <120GB drives(and a slow one on the ZIP bay). Anyway, with the 5 slots filled the machine sucks more from the PSU. If it is dying, will work worst with all the drive gaps filled+5 PCI.
Look at André setup and try a >450W PSU if you really need the 5 slots filled.
Apple PowerPC PSU were good but not the best. AcBel is tolerable, but Samsung on last MDD is really trash. Almost no Samsung PSU is alive. Most G3 and G4 have more life time than "newest" G5s, that is why it still worth giving new life to those studio machines with a new PSU if you can afford.
I am sure your set up without the ATTO and the FARM will work better with original PSU. If you upgrade the PSU you probably can work with the ATTO and the FARM also.
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I assume you need the keyspan for midi and a MIX core to begin.(Graphic card also)
To troubleshoot a system totally filled is mathematically more complicated.
Also, the more drives inside the machine + more PCI cards + a modern graphics card means more work to the PSU. It worth testing an older slower graphics card that uses less Watts.
In my DA 466 upgraded to Dual GHz the PSU is the weakest of all the series. It have a Digi 001 + USB card. If I fill it with more cards it is less stable. At least in my case adding Seritek 2se4 + drives + sonnet tempo + drives or a UAD-1. My UAD got damaged, and a Digi 001 in a QS 733 too in my attempt of having all my machines "filled".
I am a LE guy and I feel that Avid almost always wanted you to buy a external racks (MAGMA comes to mind) with own PSU for the to hold all the Core+Farm cards.
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I assume you need the keyspan for midi and a MIX core to begin.(Graphic card also)
Keyspan midi > opcode 5lx and MTP AV
I saw there were adapters for sale to connect new power supply from ATXG4? I should upgrade the power supply if I could get one of those adapter instead of expansion chassis like a Magma?
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Well if you can use soldering iron you can do it. I suggest you buy extension ATX cable and mod it like adapter. Other option is to cut off connector on broken PSU and resolder it to ATX.
°Soldering map should be in net. With your setup you may want 500w ATX and above
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I bought one of those mini jack hammer rigs and drilled through a concrete wall... thankfully, the house is still standing!!! ;D
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OK. Moved the computer to the other room. Check. Quiet except for zip drives and smpte USD sound to MPC. Quicksilver hosting PT 6.4.1 on Panther and 5.1 os 9.2.2
New MDD is 1.25ghz dual but noisy as was mentioned. Would do Altiverb but not familar mostly use old lexicon for verb and delays but sounds interesting