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[smilesdavis]

everyone writes his references from other references, that is why such rumors survive.

however, the original post was a call for the TDM version to show up magically, which is a good idea, but to my knowlegde will never happen because there are probably less than 5 people who might still have a copy and under such circumstance you dont release stuff.

what circumstances? all we need are the dae/tdm drivers from that version . it might even work out of the box if diehard had a mixcore card

[smilesdavis]

this is the Cubase Audio XT, the box says Cubase Audio, only the floppies say its XT

steinberg was wishy washy

[DieHard]

what circumstances? all we need are the dae/tdm drivers from that version

As I stated, the "TDM" mixer windows with TDM plugin inserts does NOT exist no mater what drivers you load/replace/modify on the VST versions, so it is obviously "cooked", compiled, baked, whatever into the main application.  You are implying the main versions (Audio, Audio XT, VST, Audio 3.0) are all the same basic code, all modular, and easily manipulated.  Unfortunately, this is so far from the truth; each respective version is a totally different stack of code.  The audio engine from VST 4.1 and VST 5 was re-written because after various "porting" the code got sloppy.  Their pinnacle for OS 9, VST 5/32 definitely holds it's own in "sound quality" almost to today.  With "true tape" files (32-bit audio) it is one killer DAW and was the first real attempt that was viable when mixing in the box (without outboard gear). Apogee dithering, real metering, better plugins (with UAD-1 and powercore), a new audio engine, and other items really made us think at the time that we were finally getting pro results.

[smilesdavis]

i was 18 when i last used vst32. true tape you mean the plugin?

[DieHard]

It's not a plugin, it's setting you can use when recording...

VST 32 V. 5 has introduced three new sonic features: 32 bit sound files, True-Tape recording and an implementation of Apogee's UV-22 dithering algorithm. 32 bit sound files allow for much greater dynamic range than 24 bit files. Just about every sound card that I've seen only supports 24 bit files, and just about all software supports at least 32 bit floating point calculations. The point here is that as the files are manipulated in 32 bit floating point, the files are then kept at the longer word length, rather than being truncated down to 24 bits. The True-Tape algorithm on the other hand, creates 32 bit files from the get go. This algorithm was written to simulate the compression and saturation effects of analog tape. There is a control panel where you can set the amount of "drive" from 1 to 24 dBs of saturation.

[smilesdavis]

ok here we go

it is the magneto algorithm model written by SoundArt by Lukas & Hartmann, licensed to Steinberg-Spectral Design. sans the HF-adjust and any other options. just the drive, which sends a parallel of the audio into an upsampler then a emphasis curve then a 3rd harm model then a deemphasis curve then a downsampler mixed back in. limiters are also in the algorithm.
the reduced model was so computers could handle it at the time. in sx they made the truetape available as a plugin on its own. but back then the magneto was licensed to spl and sold on its own.

[IIO]

what circumstances?

beeing bound by a contract and too easy to identify.

and there is no "tdm driver". it is a different program.

[IIO]

it is the magneto algorithm model

its key feature is that it was an input plug-in (for the very first time in a steinberg host).

of course there is a cracked copy to be used as regular plug-in, too, if you want that.

[smilesdavis]

vst ppc ? veeeeery interested. only got the win.
any custum stripped from cubase vsts id die for honestly
spectral design fan

so unless you find the original, no go. same with the older 3.0 dae tdm inubus id kill for  sigh

[smilesdavis]

would a Cubase Master Disk be able to run 4.1 TDM if it ever pops up?. got myself a mixplus rig and a version of cubase 4.0R2 in anticipation

[smilesdavis]

Neue Produkte von Steinberg

Cubase VST 3.7 für Windows sowie Cubase VST 4.1 für Macintosh wurden auf der diesjährigen Musikmesse in Frankfurt vorgestellt und sind im Laufe des 2. Quartals im Handel erhältlich. Cubase 4.1 TDM wird als Teil des Cubase VST/24 Paketes im 3. Quartal 1999 zur Verfügung stehen. Weiters wurde auf der Frankfurter Musikmesse die Mastering Edition vorgestellt, dabei handelt es sich um ein Set, bestehend aus 6 hochwertigen PlugIns (LoudnessMaximizer, Spectralizer, MultiComp, FreeFilter, PhaseScope und Spectrograph) für dieverse hostbasierte Audioapplikationen. Ebenfalls um ein Set aus PlugIns handelt es sich bei den GRM Tools. Diese sind eine Edition aus vier einzigartigen PlugIns (Shuffling, Comb Filters, Band Pass, PitchAccum) für VST auf PC und Mac. Des weiteren wurden noch ReCycle für MacOS und Windows 98/NT, Sounds&Cycles - Die REX Kollektion von Sounds Good Professionelle Sound Bibliothek für Cubase VST (im Vertrieb von Steinberg), VST DrumSessions von WIZOO sowie X<>Pose 1.5 für Mac und PC vorgestellt bzw. angekündigt. Weitere Informationen gibt es bei Steinberg. (tp, 25.06.1999) http://www.memi.de/makers/infobox-archiv.php3

[smilesdavis]

oh dear, i just found out why steinberg cancelled TDM
Mark Badger, the developer of Cubase "audio" which was tied to the digidesign TDM enginer and Cubase 3.0 for DAE/TDM and 4.1 TDM, died of natural causes of an early age.

[smilesdavis]

what i dont understand why steinberg dragged the drop of tdm out over a year. from what i could research, Mark Badger sadly passed due to a heart attack Jul 30, 1998.

does anyone have insight if mentionings of "Cubase DAE" v1.x & v2.x version is a misnomer of Cubase Audio? (Cubase Audio 2.0 had a "DAE Installer Disk", alone a "Audio Master Disk" & a "Audio Installer Disk".) given the fact that Digidesign Hardware was the only one supported at that time (see 1994 the mix article)?

Ive found of the following versions so far to exist:

Cubase Audio 1.0 - 1.08 - 1.26 - 1.32 - 1.42 -
Cubase Audio 2.0 - 2.01 - 2.04 - 2.05S - 2.50 - 2.51 - 2.51r3 - 2.80
Cubase Audio XT 3.00 for DAE-TDM - 3.03 - 3.04 - 3.05
Cubase Audio TDM 4.1(?)

[smilesdavis]

Cubase VST 4.1 for Macintosh, PIII enhanced 3.7 for PC, VST 2.0,
ASIO 2.0, external hardware controller support and much more
Hamburg/ Frankfurt Musik Messe. March 1999, Steinberg announces Cubase VST 3.7 for Windows.
The upcoming version of Cubase VST for Windows incorporates the new VST 2.0 Plug-In interface,
enabling software synthesizers and software samplers in Plug-In format to be integrated into the VST
architecture. VST 2.0 compatible PlugIns then also can be controlled in realtime via MIDI-controls and
utilise multiple Audio I/Os if available.
With ASIO 2.0 now all the compatible drivers can provide direct hardware monitoring with zero latency and
multi application support. The new ASIO Positioning Protocol allows source and destination device to sync
with sample accuracy.
The VST Channel Views Menu now allows the user to select and specify which VST Mixer channels will be
visible. The Channel View helps to organisze the virtual studio for certain production situations: The number
of used VST channels, Submixers, Synth-, Sampler- and Rebirth-Channels.
In addition, the Cubase VST/24 Mixer/EQ section includes an extension with 5 new real-time processing
modules ñ Compressor, Limiter, Auto Gate, Auto Limit and a Soft Clip.
Thereís also a new file import format - Cubase 3.7 now supports the Mixman TRK format, allowing remixes
created in Mixman to be imported and further edited in Cubase VST.
To make the virtual studio environment even more user-friendly, a number of VST elements can now be
controlled remotely via external devices such as the Yamaha 01-V.
Cubase VST 4.1 for Macintosh
Cubase VST/24 4.1 supports the Yamaha DSP Factory. The integration is identical to that of the currently
available PC version, allowing access to a number of DSP Factory functions. Also possible is the use of VST
effects in parallel with the DSP Factory.
The Cubase VST/24 Mixer/EQ section includes an extension with 5 new real-time processing modules ñ
Compressor, Limiter, Auto Gate, Auto Limit and a Soft Clip.
Meanwhile Pro Tools users have not been forgotten, and Steinberg will be showing the new TDM support
available from Version 4.1. The new TDM version will be included in the Cubase VST/24 Macintosh boxes.
Remote control of parameters via external hardware is a further feature of Cubase VST 4.1.
The update to Cubase VST 4.1 will be free of charge, and downloadable via Internet.
Customers who don't have Internet access can obtain a Cubase VST 4.1 CD ROM for a nominal fee.
Available during Q2 1999

[smilesdavis]

i believe the regular cubase audio 3.0 for macintosh should already have had it.

soundmanager were too slow and would have made the recording options worse than on the atari falcon before, so they have chosen to support digidesign hardware at that point. it was a perfect couple since protools did not have MIDI at all, and there were not so many good audio interfaces for the mac.

the confusion with "cubase TDM", which never came out, comes because cubase audio (with DAE support) of course supports mix cards, which means that it makes use of digis TDM bus structure for IO, but this has nothing to do with the TDM plug-ins.

when "cubase TDM" (see image in the start post) was finally ready to go - and shown on the musikmesse and NAMM - steinberg (and the AMIII) had ASIO already and so they decided to cancel DAE support. at this point the further support for a foreign plug-in platform stopped making sense.

(dont ask me why 3 months later they started this yamaha DSP factory nonsense...)

steinberg set out to create a competitor product to pro tools the same year when development for nuendo started, yamaha teamed up with them in 1992 when shipping cubase with their cbx hardware, which was a competitor to pro tools 1 with 4 tracks. dsp factory was the next attempt. 1996 was a pretty amazing year in virtual silicon valley

[smilesdavis]

"CUBASE VST/24 4.0 now works with PRO TOOLS 24 (this was stated on their website on 10.07.1998)
ASIO-Driver and DigiSystemINIT: https://web.archive.org/web/19990128222454/ftp://ftp.steinberg.de/dist/product_updates/macintosh/asio/ASIO_Digidesign.hqx

Cubase VST, the world's favourite professional music production software now teams up with the world's leading digital audio hardware. Jointly developed by engineers from Steinberg and Digidesign, an ASIO driver for Pro Tools 24, Pro Tools Project II, Pro Tools III PCI and AudioMedia III (Mac) is now available free of charge from this web site!
Many users have asked for Cubase VST to interface with Pro Tools, and this is now a reality. The combination of Cubase VST/24 and Pro Tools 24 offers the discerning user the best of both worlds, with a complete 24-bit path of recording and editing.


https://web.archive.org/web/20000116043837/http://www.steinberg.net:80/news/cubase_vst41/index.html

Cubase VST 4.1 for Macintosh
VST 2.0, ASIO 2.0, DSP Factory support, TDM support and much more
 
Hamburg/ Frankfurt Musik Messe - Steinberg announces Cubase VST 4.1 for Macintosh.
The upcoming version of Cubase VST for Macintosh incorporates the new VST 2.0 Plug-In interface, enabling software synthesizers and software samplers in Plug-In format to be integrated into the VST architecture. VST 2.0 compatible PlugIns then also can be controlled in realtime via MIDI-controls and utilise multiple Audio I/Os if available.
With ASIO 2.0 now all the compatible drivers can provide direct hardware monitoring with zero latency and multi application support. The new ASIO Positioning Protocol allows source and destination device to sync with sample accuracy.

The VST Channel Views Menu now allows the user to select and specify which VST Mixer channels will be visible. The Channel View helps to organisze the virtual studio for certain production situations: The number of used VST channels, Submixers, Synth-, Sampler- and Rebirth-Channels.

In addition, the Cubase VST/24 Mixer/EQ section includes an extension with 5 new real-time processing modules - Compressor, Limiter, Auto Gate, Auto Limit and a Soft Clip.
To make the virtual studio environment even more user-friendly, a number of VST elements can now be controlled remotely via external devices such as the Yamaha 01-V.

Cubase VST/24 4.1 for Macintosh also supports the entire functionality of Yamaha's DSP Factory Audio Card. Users will experienced the same complete integration of every single DSP Factory feature as offered in the highly acclaimed Cubase VST/24 3.6 for Windows. The entire VST architecture is available for use with all the DSP Factory's effects at the same time, giving the user an incredible set of processing and expansion possibilities.

Steinberg is showing the new Cubase 4.1 with TDM support for PCI Macintosh. The new TDM version will be included in the Cubase VST/24 for Macintosh packages as additional, self contained application. Cubase 4.1 supports the entire feature set of all PCI-based Pro Tools systems as there is Pro Tools III, Pro Tools 24, Pro Tools Mix and Pro Tools Mix Plus. Cubase 4.1 TDM does not support the VST architecture.

The update to Cubase VST 4.1 will be free of charge, and downloadable via Internet.
Customers who don't have Internet access can obtain a Cubase VST 4.1 CD ROM for a nominal fee. Available during Q2, 1999.
Cubase 4.1 TDM will be integrated into the Cubase VST/24 Package after Q2, 1999. There is no additional charge for Cubase 4.1 TDM.

https://web.archive.org/web/19991013111355/http://steinberg.net:80/news/cubase_vst_4.1.html

well, I guess, i hyped myself too much this time. just bought a sealed VST/24 copy in hope i can get the TDM going. this was sadly never released.

10.07.1998: CUBASE VST/24 4.0 now works with PRO TOOLS 24
Download ASIO-Driver and DigiSystemINIT
Cubase VST, the world's favourite professional music production software now teams up with the world's leading digital audio hardware. Jointly developed by engineers from Steinberg and Digidesign, an ASIO driver for Pro Tools 24, Pro Tools Project II, Pro Tools III PCI and AudioMedia III (Mac) is now available free of charge from this web site! Many users have asked for Cubase VST to interface with Pro Tools, and this is now a reality. The combination of Cubase VST/24 and Pro Tools 24 offers the discerning user the best of both worlds, with a complete 24-bit path of recording and editing.
ASIO-Driver and DigiSystemINIT: https://web.archive.org/web/19990128222454/ftp://ftp.steinberg.de/dist/product_updates/macintosh/asio/ASIO_Digidesign.hqx

July 30, 1998: Mark Badger passed away