Mac OS 9 Lives
General => Off Topic => Topic started by: nanopico on March 01, 2017, 06:19:01 AM
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I have decided to do something fun. Maybe someone else will join in too.
I have decided to move to OS 9 exclusively.
So everything I do now I will do in OS 9 and use nothing else. The exception is at work. I would have no job due to being a .NET developer and working for a Microsoft Partner (don't judge, it pays the bills).
But outside of work, OS 9 only. I will start my challenge next week as I want to make sure I have all the software setup to replace everything I do.
So the challenge is to see how long I last before I give in and stop using OS 9.
I will even commit to only using my phone for text and calls only.
Any one else want to give this a try? Post your commitment to try and then again when you give in to newer things.
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Sounds like fun!! ;D
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Been working on this as my goal for daily use.
Things I've found so far:
MacSSH does not connect to openssh > 6.6.1 without help. I'm too lazy, just down graded those locally.
No VPN software can be found. I need to connect to cisco vpns to do my job.
Virtual PC 4.0 doesn't seem to want to install windows XP. It loops in an error. Could be my DVD drive, not too sure.
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Been working on this as my goal for daily use.
Things I've found so far:
MacSSH does not connect to openssh > 6.6.1 without help. I'm too lazy, just down graded those locally.
No VPN software can be found. I need to connect to cisco vpns to do my job.
Virtual PC 4.0 doesn't seem to want to install windows XP. It loops in an error. Could be my DVD drive, not too sure.
VPN isn't an issue for me, but the ssh thing may be an issue. So we may be in the same boat there.
I have a version of VPC though that came with windows xp on a premade disk image. I'll see if I can find it for you if that would help?
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Been working on this as my goal for daily use.
Things I've found so far:
MacSSH does not connect to openssh > 6.6.1 without help. I'm too lazy, just down graded those locally.
No VPN software can be found. I need to connect to cisco vpns to do my job.
Virtual PC 4.0 doesn't seem to want to install windows XP. It loops in an error. Could be my DVD drive, not too sure.
VPN isn't an issue for me, but the ssh thing may be an issue. So we may be in the same boat there.
I have a version of VPC though that came with windows xp on a premade disk image. I'll see if I can find it for you if that would help?
Would be awesome to see if the disk image runs under 4.0. For science anyways!
Debian Jessie is the only thing I've seen so far with OpenSSH6.7+ on it. I'm sure with some tweaking, it might not be an issue, but I don't know. 3 hours was too much time and I just recompiled 6.6.1. The reason I suggest 6.6.1 was the patch notes for 6.7 where they turned some features off. I wasn't sure if that meant, they were disabled, or removed, or what, so I went 6.6.1.
I just did a
./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc/ssh --with-md5-passwords
I'm sure that's insecure, but they are private machines at home, so I'm not terribly worried. The WEP for airport has me more worried :D
Software I'm using all the time:
macSSH (there's a repo with 'updates' to it, but I couldn't get it to build out of the box)
realVNC FAT
timbuktu
nissus writer 6.5 (I assumed it would write a format my osx machine could use as I own nissus for that....)
project 3.0
VirtualPC
Transmit
Audion
Codewarrior
Finderpop
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Been working on this as my goal for daily use.
Things I've found so far:
MacSSH does not connect to openssh > 6.6.1 without help. I'm too lazy, just down graded those locally.
No VPN software can be found. I need to connect to cisco vpns to do my job.
Virtual PC 4.0 doesn't seem to want to install windows XP. It loops in an error. Could be my DVD drive, not too sure.
VPN isn't an issue for me, but the ssh thing may be an issue. So we may be in the same boat there.
I have a version of VPC though that came with windows xp on a premade disk image. I'll see if I can find it for you if that would help?
Would be awesome to see if the disk image runs under 4.0. For science anyways!
Debian Jessie is the only thing I've seen so far with OpenSSH6.7+ on it. I'm sure with some tweaking, it might not be an issue, but I don't know. 3 hours was too much time and I just recompiled 6.6.1. The reason I suggest 6.6.1 was the patch notes for 6.7 where they turned some features off. I wasn't sure if that meant, they were disabled, or removed, or what, so I went 6.6.1.
I just did a
./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc/ssh --with-md5-passwords
I'm sure that's insecure, but they are private machines at home, so I'm not terribly worried. The WEP for airport has me more worried :D
Software I'm using all the time:
macSSH (there's a repo with 'updates' to it, but I couldn't get it to build out of the box)
realVNC FAT
timbuktu
nissus writer 6.5 (I assumed it would write a format my osx machine could use as I own nissus for that....)
project 3.0
VirtualPC
Transmit
Audion
Codewarrior
Finderpop
I have a Debian Jessie server, but it's not a home one, it's a public hosting machine and I do need to SSH to it periodically. So this may be something I will have to spend some time on making work.
If I remember correctly the XP disk image came with version 5. I'll have to check all the disc's that I have.
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My main machine is a MDD and I tend to use OS 9 more than OSX on it. Would be fun to go OS 9 exclusivly and see how much I can do of my daily computing with it ;)
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Been working on this as my goal for daily use.
Things I've found so far:
MacSSH does not connect to openssh > 6.6.1 without help. I'm too lazy, just down graded those locally.
No VPN software can be found. I need to connect to cisco vpns to do my job.
Virtual PC 4.0 doesn't seem to want to install windows XP. It loops in an error. Could be my DVD drive, not too sure.
VPN isn't an issue for me, but the ssh thing may be an issue. So we may be in the same boat there.
I have a version of VPC though that came with windows xp on a premade disk image. I'll see if I can find it for you if that would help?
Would be awesome to see if the disk image runs under 4.0. For science anyways!
Debian Jessie is the only thing I've seen so far with OpenSSH6.7+ on it. I'm sure with some tweaking, it might not be an issue, but I don't know. 3 hours was too much time and I just recompiled 6.6.1. The reason I suggest 6.6.1 was the patch notes for 6.7 where they turned some features off. I wasn't sure if that meant, they were disabled, or removed, or what, so I went 6.6.1.
I just did a
./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc/ssh --with-md5-passwords
I'm sure that's insecure, but they are private machines at home, so I'm not terribly worried. The WEP for airport has me more worried :D
Software I'm using all the time:
macSSH (there's a repo with 'updates' to it, but I couldn't get it to build out of the box)
realVNC FAT
timbuktu
nissus writer 6.5 (I assumed it would write a format my osx machine could use as I own nissus for that....)
project 3.0
VirtualPC
Transmit
Audion
Codewarrior
Finderpop
I pm'd you the image I have.
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My main machine is a MDD and I tend to use OS 9 more than OSX on it. Would be fun to go OS 9 exclusivly and see how much I can do of my daily computing with it ;)
That's my goal. Right now I'm trying to figure out what software I need to make sure I have at least something to do what I need (even if it isn't perfect).
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I happen to have a copy of pgp circa 2000, that has PGPNet on it. Gonna test it with a raspberry pi, etc. My thoughts are....
PGPNet -> Pi -> Pi -> WORK VPNS which should then just route all my traffic to where i need them to go, solving my vpn problems.
It would also solve the WEP problem on wifi.
OpenWRT wifi router + WEP -> Only VPN traffic can leave -> Two RaspberryPis for routers. Or something.
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This sounds like a good plan.
I happen to have a copy of pgp circa 2000, that has PGPNet on it. Gonna test it with a raspberry pi, etc. My thoughts are....
PGPNet -> Pi -> Pi -> WORK VPNS which should then just route all my traffic to where i need them to go, solving my vpn problems.
It would also solve the WEP problem on wifi.
OpenWRT wifi router + WEP -> Only VPN traffic can leave -> Two RaspberryPis for routers. Or something.
For any one else wanting to give this a try you don't have to cut everything out. I've never used only one OS ever. But there has always been one primary one that I do almost everything with. This is what I will use OS 9 for.
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Here's my status after one week in.
I haven't been able to switch completely yet.
Three things are delaying, but I am working on it.
1. Email. I've just been incredibly busy to take the time to set up a pop client.
2. Managing finances. I haven't had time to figure out the best route for migrating data.
3. And (like the other two issues) not enough time to actually get setup the two machines I will be using primarily. I was going to setup my desktop over the past weekend, but instead I found out how much I do not like plumbing. What a time suck it is to do a semi-major replacement of part of our hot water system.
I haven't stopped. I just wasn't able to switch over as quickly as I hoped.
More updates to come as I go through this.
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Here's my status after one week in.
I haven't been able to switch completely yet.
Three things are delaying, but I am working on it.
1. Email. I've just been incredibly busy to take the time to set up a pop client.
2. Managing finances. I haven't had time to figure out the best route for migrating data.
3. And (like the other two issues) not enough time to actually get setup the two machines I will be using primarily. I was going to setup my desktop over the past weekend, but instead I found out how much I do not like plumbing. What a time suck it is to do a semi-major replacement of part of our hot water system.
I haven't stopped. I just wasn't able to switch over as quickly as I hoped.
More updates to come as I go through this.
Email....I install eudora 6. It hard locks the laptop when it goes to fetch accounts... o_O
I've had much success getting CVS to work for code versioning. I'd rather have git or svn, but after a few hours of searching, no such luck.
Coding via CodeWarrior and MPW is coming along. After you fight and fight with codewarrior, and you get it to work, it works rather well. I really like the code hints / completion as an editor. I really dislike looking for libraries to drag into the project. That's really lame.
Virtual PC 6 works great for running XP. 4 for running everything else. Side note, for linux under virtual pc you need the dec driver.
Audion really does it for me for a mp3 player. I just hate the skins. All. Of. Them.
Email client and getting pgpnet will pretty much complete me.
I spend 90% of my time on my ppc laptop now. I love it. Next, getting the MDD to be fully operational :D
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Here's my status after one week in.
I haven't been able to switch completely yet.
Three things are delaying, but I am working on it.
1. Email. I've just been incredibly busy to take the time to set up a pop client.
2. Managing finances. I haven't had time to figure out the best route for migrating data.
3. And (like the other two issues) not enough time to actually get setup the two machines I will be using primarily. I was going to setup my desktop over the past weekend, but instead I found out how much I do not like plumbing. What a time suck it is to do a semi-major replacement of part of our hot water system.
I haven't stopped. I just wasn't able to switch over as quickly as I hoped.
More updates to come as I go through this.
Email....I install eudora 6. It hard locks the laptop when it goes to fetch accounts... o_O
I've had much success getting CVS to work for code versioning. I'd rather have git or svn, but after a few hours of searching, no such luck.
Coding via CodeWarrior and MPW is coming along. After you fight and fight with codewarrior, and you get it to work, it works rather well. I really like the code hints / completion as an editor. I really dislike looking for libraries to drag into the project. That's really lame.
Virtual PC 6 works great for running XP. 4 for running everything else. Side note, for linux under virtual pc you need the dec driver.
Audion really does it for me for a mp3 player. I just hate the skins. All. Of. Them.
Email client and getting pgpnet will pretty much complete me.
I spend 90% of my time on my ppc laptop now. I love it. Next, getting the MDD to be fully operational :D
Awesome.
I'm using Classillas e-mail functionality. Got it setup sot works how I want now. Both my machines are setup (frankenstined clamshell iBook and MDD). Just have to setup the finance stuff and I'm good to go. I really have no use for VirtualPC as the only thing I need a PC for is some messed up floppy drive stuff that VirtualPC won't do.
Realisticly I will use another system for something specific, but I have always done that, but thats not a daily thing so I'm still OS 9 for daily stuff. I guess I could cut myself off to OS 9 for daily stuff and then for windows stuff I can't use anything higher than 98, but that actually sounds fun (not sure how long that would last though).
Nice to see someone else making an attempt at this as well.
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Email clients I've tried and thoughts:
Netscape Communicator: Loads fast on the 667mhz box, supports SSL on imap, it doesn't want to support multiple smtp (or i can't seem to tell how)
Eudora 6: Just hangs my machine up. Have to hold power to shut down.
Classilla, improved Communicator, works great, slow though.
Mulberry: Interface is weird. Doesn't seem to support SSL. It appears there was a SSL plugin, but alas, all the files were on ftp and not on archive.org.
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Email clients I've tried and thoughts:
Netscape Communicator: Loads fast on the 667mhz box, supports SSL on imap, it doesn't want to support multiple smtp (or i can't seem to tell how)
Eudora 6: Just hangs my machine up. Have to hold power to shut down.
Classilla, improved Communicator, works great, slow though.
Mulberry: Interface is weird. Doesn't seem to support SSL. It appears there was a SSL plugin, but alas, all the files were on ftp and not on archive.org.
It took me a while to figure out the multiple smtp on classilla which would be the same as on netscape. I'll check and get back to you how I did it.
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Any one else want to give this a try? Post your commitment to try and then again when you give in to newer things.
Guys yo are funny! That is what I do every day since 2002 (or whenever I upgraded from 8.6 to 9.x). No other machine in the house! ;)
What shall I do now, tell you exactly for which tasks I need to use another computer somewhere?
The open VPN seems to be an issue. I tried to find some solution about 4 years ago. There are VPN clients, and there have been commercial ones that I couldn´t find anywhere. I have to see if I got some informations (name, company, ...) left at some HD.
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Any one else want to give this a try? Post your commitment to try and then again when you give in to newer things.
Guys yo are funny! That is what I do every day since 2002 (or whenever I upgraded from 8.6 to 9.x). No other machine in the house! ;)
What shall I do now, tell you exactly for which tasks I need to use another computer somewhere?
The open VPN seems to be an issue. I tried to find some solution about 4 years ago. There are VPN clients, and there have been commercial ones that I couldn´t find anywhere. I have to see if I got some informations (name, company, ...) left at some HD.
You are incredibly awesome!
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Email clients I've tried and thoughts:
Netscape Communicator: Loads fast on the 667mhz box, supports SSL on imap, it doesn't want to support multiple smtp (or i can't seem to tell how)
Eudora 6: Just hangs my machine up. Have to hold power to shut down.
Classilla, improved Communicator, works great, slow though.
Mulberry: Interface is weird. Doesn't seem to support SSL. It appears there was a SSL plugin, but alas, all the files were on ftp and not on archive.org.
It took me a while to figure out the multiple smtp on classilla which would be the same as on netscape. I'll check and get back to you how I did it.
When in the area to setup and manage the e-mail accounts, smtp is listed last. Select that and there is an advanced button. You can define multiples there.
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The open VPN seems to be an issue. I tried to find some solution about 4 years ago. There are VPN clients, and there have been commercial ones that I couldn´t find anywhere. I have to see if I got some informations (name, company, ...) left at some HD.
• Netlock from "Apani Networks" (2003)
• TunnelBuilder "Efficient.com" was bought by Siemens
• BroadWay VPN Client by "Ashley-Laurent" (Neon Software)
• PGPnet as stated above, especially "PGP Corporate Desktop"
• DAVE "thursby"
And some clients from VPN providers:
purevpn
IPVanish VPN
Express VPN
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The open VPN seems to be an issue. I tried to find some solution about 4 years ago. There are VPN clients, and there have been commercial ones that I couldn´t find anywhere. I have to see if I got some informations (name, company, ...) left at some HD.
• Netlock from "Apani Networks" (2003)
• TunnelBuilder "Efficient.com" was bought by Siemens
• BroadWay VPN Client by "Ashley-Laurent" (Neon Software)
• PGPnet as stated above, especially "PGP Corporate Desktop"
• DAVE "thursby"
And some clients from VPN providers:
purevpn
IPVanish VPN
Express VPN
I've done a short while of digging, but am unable to turn up any of the above clients. I have a copy of PGP Personal Security, and I notice that the Windows version (although I cannot get it to work), allows for global ip routing and not just subnets (as the mac client seems to do). Are you familiar with the PGP Corporate version for mac and if it allows all traffic to be tunneled? This would solve all my problems.
On other notes:
I cannot find in netscape how to have multiple smtp nor will it take an @symbol in it. Classilla will have to remain my email client.
stunnel on linux looks promising as a proxy to secure up anything that is old, like pop3 without ssl. VPN -> LINUX -> clients socks, etc -> internet.
I do not like the mulberry client.
Found a copy of Jim's CDEF (code). It will compile under Code Warrior Gold 10, but not pro anything. I'm still sorting that out. Might go back to making my own widgets. I'm not a fan of realbasic. It doesn't like my dealing with larger files and crashes.
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At least TunnelBuilder can be found at the garden: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/nts-tunnelbuilder
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At least TunnelBuilder can be found at the garden: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/nts-tunnelbuilder
I was worried about the status of it being an eval version. While it does work, sadly, as far as I can tell via experimentation, mppe encryption requires mschapv2 which this client does not seem to support. So the options are no encryption, or a windows pptp server. I opted for windows 2003, as it was the easiest for me to get working properly. I did try nt 4.0 and 2k, but couldn't get them to route the traffic. They kept dumping it directly to the switch. Lame.
The other problem with it being an eval version is that it is limited to 40 bit encryption, I assume because of export laws at the time.
Maybe some one has a full version some where :)
Anyways, it appears that after the evaluation is up (which the eval mode seemingly needs a manual connection and nags you with a popup), you can delete everything and re-install.
If some one has more experience with pptp than I, which shouldn't be hard to find, I'd be willing to listen to advice on how to get a linux server to run with mppe encryption and mschap. I tried red hat linux 5,6,7,9 and debian jessie on a pie. All with the same results.
Be warned, connecting with bad configs seems to cause a memory fault on the mac and needs a reboot to recover.
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Update:
Installed FreeBSD 4.2 and mpd. Got pptp with 40 bit encryption working.
Next, I installed FreeBSD 11 on an actual machine and mpd5. Slightly modified the default config removing everything that wasn't needed for pptp, works great.
I also installed openssh-portable, and made it take all the ciphers, etc. MacSSH now connects as well.
I will admit, I didn't see the option for MacSSH to make tunnels before. Things are looking up on this front :)
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I'd like to rescind my statement on Mulberry. The 3.1.6a client seems to be ok.
Afterdark 4.0 is now working properly.
Coding for my own apps is going fine in Codewarrior 8.
I'm getting better at finding a majority of the things I am looking for with coding now.
I need my normal mba for chatting with some people as I am unaware of a client for discord :/
I'd love a svn client, but I don't think that is going to happen.
Raspberry pi setup is a B+ running freebsd and pptp. It has a pi zero configured with otg usb ethernet and serial behind it. I'm nabbing a pi zero w to add to that setup for use as an wifi AP.
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Hey guess what!! I failed.
Yet I keep trying. I get closer and closer each time.
No excuses now.
Move all my data and run with it.
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Found out this morning that my PowerBook G3 Kanga's battery holds allmost 2 hours of charge! I'm writing this from my Kanga in my sofa. No wires plugged in at all. This makes it an awesome Mac OS 9 machine for that authetic late 90's feeling. I grew tired of the old mechanical drive sound, so I just ordered a PATA SSD on eBay. I'm also fed up with the IOXperts driver, so I also bought a Lucent WaveLan Gold and plan to use it with the original AirPort drivers.
Just havent decided if I should go with Mac OS 9.1 (max for this PowerBook), "hack" it to use 9.2.2 or go with Mac OS 8.6 (which feels like the most sane thing to do). Only having 64mb RAM kindof cripples you (Classilla) a bit ;)
What do you guys think?
Planning on doing the Mac OS 9 challenge with this machine only. See how long I can manage. Have set up a "jump box" for SSH, so I can get to my servers.
I managed to write this before my 30 minute IOXperts wifi driver window ran out! :D
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Found out this morning that my PowerBook G3 Kanga's battery holds allmost 2 hours of charge! I'm writing this from my Kanga in my sofa. No wires plugged in at all. This makes it an awesome Mac OS 9 machine for that authetic late 90's feeling. I grew tired of the old mechanical drive sound, so I just ordered a PATA SSD on eBay. I'm also fed up with the IOXperts driver, so I also bought a Lucent WaveLan Gold and plan to use it with the original AirPort drivers.
Just havent decided if I should go with Mac OS 9.1 (max for this PowerBook), "hack" it to use 9.2.2 or go with Mac OS 8.6 (which feels like the most sane thing to do). Only having 64mb RAM kindof cripples you (Classilla) a bit ;)
What do you guys think?
Planning on doing the Mac OS 9 challenge with this machine only. See how long I can manage. Have set up a "jump box" for SSH, so I can get to my servers.
I managed to write this before my 30 minute IOXperts wifi driver window ran out! :D
I've been tempted to do the same with wifi card. My PowerBook batter holds a charge almost three hours.
I have an SSD in mine and it is so much better. It's quite and faster. The quite part bugs me a small bit though as I can't hear it on boot so I don't know if it's boot before the screen kicks in. I usually have all audio off so I don't hear the chime. The speed and lower battery consumption are make it way worth it though.
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I've been tempted to do the same with wifi card. My PowerBook batter holds a charge almost three hours.
I have an SSD in mine and it is so much better. It's quite and faster. The quite part bugs me a small bit though as I can't hear it on boot so I don't know if it's boot before the screen kicks in. I usually have all audio off so I don't hear the chime. The speed and lower battery consumption are make it way worth it though.
I have SSD's in the TiBook and MDD and they are amazingly responsive. I just havet really used the Kanga much at all "thanks" to the IOXperts driver. Hope the Lucent 802.11b card makes me use it more. It doesn't seem to have any fans either, so the SSD will hopefully make it dead silent ;)
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Email clients I've tried and thoughts:
Netscape Communicator: Loads fast on the 667mhz box, supports SSL on imap, it doesn't want to support multiple smtp (or i can't seem to tell how)
Eudora 6: Just hangs my machine up. Have to hold power to shut down.
Classilla, improved Communicator, works great, slow though.
Mulberry: Interface is weird. Doesn't seem to support SSL. It appears there was a SSL plugin, but alas, all the files were on ftp and not on archive.org.
It took me a while to figure out the multiple smtp on classilla which would be the same as on netscape. I'll check and get back to you how I did it.
When in the area to setup and manage the e-mail accounts, smtp is listed last. Select that and there is an advanced button. You can define multiples there.
Is there an option to keep a copy of my emails on Outlook's server when I use Classilla's email client?
I have not found this option yet and this is what stops me of using OS 9 as a primary OS.
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https://github.com/jarofghosts/peabody
I've hacked this up to get it running (not too sure why it was expecting the results it was, but alas, I simply don't care as long as it works) so I can browse sites of the past without too much trouble.
I have it running on a pi. Working great.
Current WiFi network setup looks like this:
Powerbook -> WAP54G w/WEP -> usb adapter on pi b+
pi b+ running freebsd has pf rules to give out dhcp leases and accept PPTP, also running PPTP server
Powerbook WIFI connects, tunnelbuilder pptp -> freebsd -> internets
If I turn off proxy in classilla, I get current pages.
If I turn on proxy in classilla, I get pages from the date set in the proxy software.
Running fine so far.