Mac OS 9 Lives

Classic Mac OS Hardware => Storage => Topic started by: MacTron on April 23, 2020, 08:47:05 AM

Title: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: MacTron on April 23, 2020, 08:47:05 AM
Please post the Solid State Drives that were proven to work on Mac Os 9.
I'll start with the ones I know:

List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9

Samsung Evo 840  120Gb  (tested by myself)
Samsung Evo 840 EVO  120Gb  (tested by myself)
SanDisk Extreme PRO 240Gb (tested by myself)
Crucial MX500 (tested by torvan)
Crucial MX300 (tested by torvan)
OWC  Mercury Electra 3G (tested by FBz)
OWC OWCSSDMXLE480 Mercury Pro Legacy 480GB (tested by toasterking)
Samsung SM841 (tested by FBz)
LiteOn MU3  Model: PH6-CE120-G (tested by ssp3)
Plextor S3C  Model: PX-128S3C (tested by ssp3)

Dogfish Msata 128 GB (tested by toasterking)

KingSpec DOM (tested by Knezzen)
KingSpec PATA/IDE SSD (tested by Knezzen)

List of SSDs that DON'T works with Mac Os 9

Samsung Evo 850 DON'T works on Mac Os 9 (tested by DieHard)

Samsung Evo 860 "probably" DON'T works on Mac Os 9 (tested is needed)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: FBz on April 23, 2020, 09:25:30 AM
Works with OS 9:

OWC  Mercury Electra 3G
Samsung SM841

(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5447.0;attach=7448;image)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: DCGeek on April 23, 2020, 09:46:41 AM
Can you boot to the OWC SSD? I'm in the process of restoring my dual 533 digital audio G4 running 9.2.2 and was looking at the upgrade. I have a SATA card for other internal storage, but I can only boot to my IDE drive.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: FBz on April 23, 2020, 09:48:08 AM
YES, the OWC does boot with OS 9.
(Here anyway.)
It's on the IDE cable with a StarTech IDE/bridge in a Quicksilver.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on April 23, 2020, 10:53:08 AM
hehe, i already had a textfile here with the same topic-to-do
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: ssp3 on April 23, 2020, 10:14:29 PM
These two are of cheaper variety.

LiteOn MU3  Model: PH6-CE120-G (120GB)
Plextor S3C  Model: PX-128S3C (128GB)

Both tested by myself on DA/9.2.2, although not extensively. Both are bootable.
LiteOn was a bit quirky a couple of times and, I think I had one freeze, but I suspect that it was due to adapter used - the one that (S)ATAman dissapproves. I will order the slim one when this horror is over.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: MacTron on April 24, 2020, 07:17:52 AM
Thank you all, the list keep growing !  ;D
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: mrhappy on April 24, 2020, 10:38:58 AM
I've been using the OWC drives...

the Legacy (with the built in bridge)  in a 1Gz TI and also a 1Gz 17"Alu (OS9'd)

Mercury Electra 3G and also I think the 6G in QS(933) and various 1.25 MDD's

 
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Bolkonskij on April 25, 2020, 02:46:02 AM
Just wanted to leave a "Thank you" for the list. Exactly the kind of I was looking for. Actually it would deserve a place on the website, really :-) ... will chip in my experience when I get around to do some more testing.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: (S)ATAman on April 25, 2020, 11:30:21 AM
Should be much larger list.
Sorry after good 6 weeks of being crowned my throne collapsed and have to work again.

The bad news is that the code I wrote while being the Emperor is really shitty, have to look over again.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Knezzen on April 28, 2020, 08:47:25 AM
KingSpec DOM
KingSpec PATA/IDE SSD
Generic PATA to mSATA adapter with generic mSATA SSD (I know, it's bad for statistics, but it works just fine)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 03, 2020, 10:22:55 PM

Tabo
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« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2019, 05:46:35 AM »

I replaced IDE HDD to the Intel SSD (530 series / 120 GB) , it works GREAT, too
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: toasterking on May 04, 2020, 07:10:44 PM
1. Power Macintosh G4 Sawtooth (AGP graphics, 350 MHz), Sonnet Tempo SNT1S2 SATA 1 PCI card, Other World Computing OWCSSDMXLE480 Mercury Pro Legacy 480GB SATA SSD:  works perfectly in Mac OS 9.2.2.

2. iBook G3 Clamshell Blueberry (300 MHz), IDE-mSATA adapter with JMicron JM20330 chipset (https://www.ebay.com/itm/44PIN-mSATA-to-2-5-IDE-HDD-SSD-mSATA-to-PATA-Converter-Adapter-Card-with-Case/371984487650), Dogfish mSATA 128GB SSD (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KHP5VDV/):  works perfectly in Mac OS 8.6; haven’t tried in 9.x.

3. Even older, but including it:  PowerBook 190, IDE-mSATA adapter with JMicron JM20330 chipset (https://www.ebay.com/itm/44PIN-mSATA-to-2-5-IDE-HDD-SSD-mSATA-to-PATA-Converter-Adapter-Card-with-Case/371984487650) (same as in above iBook), Dogfish mSATA 128GB SSD (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KHP5VDV/) (same as in above iBook):  fail in Mac OS 7.6 and 7.5.3.  Tried patched Drive Setup 1.5, patched Drive Setup 1.7.2, FWB Hard Disk Toolkit 3.0.  No disk recognized in any case.  Replaced the IDE-mSATA adapter with Ableconn IIDE-MSAT using Marvell 88SA8052 chipset (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017VQT5YW/); works perfectly in 7.6, 7.5.3, 7.5.5.  Stable with constant file copies for 2.5 hours, including to/from external SCSI Zip and CD-ROM.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 05, 2020, 05:20:32 AM

JMicron JM20330 - that is what these widespread white cases from china are using

Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 05, 2020, 09:16:51 AM
i was too fast. he is talking about msata, not 2.
but same chipset and the dogfish ssds are available on all possible formats.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: toasterking on May 05, 2020, 09:18:52 AM
i was too fast. he is talking about msata, not 2.
but same chipset and the dogfish ssds are available on all possible formats.
And the "white case" thing threw me off a little, because mine came with a black case but is otherwise identical to your photo!

I updated my post with links to the mSATA adapters and SSDs I bought.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 05, 2020, 09:21:53 AM
i never was aware that there are similar cases with msata - i am under the impression that msata is too modern and you wouldnt have any benefits from connecting that to ATA 100 - compared to m2.

as for the dogfish, the m2 versions are some 10% cheaper. :)

hopefully that combination (current dogfish series and JM chipset converter) will work no matter the format?

so i guess i will have to check my own. one dogfish m2 and one intenso m2 are on my to do list.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: toasterking on May 05, 2020, 09:33:43 AM
2. iBook G3 Clamshell Blueberry (300 MHz)...
3. Even older, but including it:  PowerBook 190...

It may be worth mentioning that the reason I selected 128GB SSDs for these models is because their onboard IDE controller can only address up to a 128 GB disk size.  And getting way off topic here, but... the PowerBook 5300 and 190 were released at the same time, both require System 7.5.2, and share the same case and many other components.  However, the 5300 famously has a ROM bug that limits it to 8.2 GB partitions (which I've personally confirmed) and the 190 does not seem to have that limitation.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 05, 2020, 09:37:11 AM
size limit in old machine, yes, i guessed so.

your experience about OS7 vs 8.6 is quite interesting btw, it helps to get a feeling for what all can happen. :)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: ChairmanJones on May 06, 2020, 06:26:18 AM
Patriot Torch works fine in my MDD.

I have a Sawtooth with a Samsung 840 Pro that works fine with 8.1 as well.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: tunedbytad on May 06, 2020, 05:53:38 PM
Been doing drive shootouts over here  :-X

Tested So Far:

OCZ Agility 120MB 2.5" Sata3 SSD
Boots OS9 on $10 Ebay Ide /Sata adapter "green"
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4
*this drive is pretty darn fast

Monster Digital 120MB 2.5" Sata3 SSD
Boots OS9 on $10 Ebay Ide /Sata adapter "green"
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4
*good performance

Patirot Memory120MB 2.5" Sata3 SSD
Boots OS9 on $10 Ebay Ide /Sata adapter "green"
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4
*slow for an SSD hangs up on access but is very well used

Samsung Evo 850 128GB MSATA Sata3 SSD
Boots OS9 on Startech "red" IDE /sata 2.5" Bay adapter
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4 on China "black" 2.5" drive Case Adapter
*slower then its specs but still fairly fast
**this drive worked 50hours a week for years in my CF51 dyno tuning laptop


ScanDisk Generic M.2 Sata3 120GB SSD
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4 on Startech "red" 4x M.2 3.5" Bay Adapter
*fast with random hang on seeks events very usable
**drive was very used & super cheap on ebay as under 256GB m.2 are hard to find
***this drive in new condition may be stellar!

Samsung Evo 860 M.2 Sata3 500GB SSD 3x even partitions
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4 on Startech "red" 4x M.2 3.5" Bay Adapter
*super fast in all applications boot time is under 40 sec with full ProTools Mix+ TDM / open transport / OMS

SeriTek/1V4 in most cases was about double the transfer rate and half the time to test as "green" budget IDE to SATA adapter

All tested on G4 MDD 1.25SP
all non SeriTek/1V4 test backed up on * 867DP MDD * 1GhzDP QS * 933SP QS *

all toghether this took a ton of time and some money
COVID19 StayKaytion / HobbyTime

(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5447.0;attach=7527)
*why does it rotate?


Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Roman323 on May 06, 2020, 06:20:52 PM
Pretty much most if not all M2 drives work
With OS 9 and X.. here is what I ordered for my Pismo and it’s a perfect fit.

Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Roman323 on May 06, 2020, 07:36:35 PM
Please post the Solid State Drives that were proven to work on Mac Os 9.
I'll start with the ones I know:

List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9

Samsung Evo 840  120Gb  (tested by myself)
Samsung Evo 840 EVO  120Gb  (tested by myself)
SanDisk Extreme PRO 240Gb (tested by myself)
Crucial MX500 (tested by torvan)
Crucial MX300 (tested by torvan)
OWC  Mercury Electra 3G (tested by FBz)
OWC OWCSSDMXLE480 Mercury Pro Legacy 480GB (tested by toasterking)
Samsung SM841 (tested by FBz)
LiteOn MU3  Model: PH6-CE120-G (tested by ssp3)
Plextor S3C  Model: PX-128S3C (tested by ssp3)

Dogfish Msata 128 GB (tested by toasterking)

KingSpec DOM (tested by Knezzen)
KingSpec PATA/IDE SSD (tested by Knezzen)

List of SSDs that DON'T works with Mac Os 9

Samsung Evo 850 DON'T works on Mac Os 9 (tested by DieHard)

Samsung Evo 860 "probably" DON'T works on Mac Os 9 (tested is needed)

What about any simple m2 sata stick, samsung, adata ? Are the above you mentioned M2 ? I am eyeing a samsung for 20.00 on ebay right now. full 128gb.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 07, 2020, 12:43:16 AM
What about any simple m2 sata stick, samsung, adata ? Are the above you mentioned M2 ? I am eyeing a samsung for 20.00 on ebay right now. full 128gb.

try and report my friend! in many cases they should be technically identical.

Pretty much most if not all M2 drives work
With OS 9 and X.. here is what I ordered for my Pismo and it’s a perfect fit.

so you have tested most already and they worked? then why do you ask?
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 07, 2020, 12:48:34 AM
Samsung Evo 850 128GB MSATA Sata3 SSD

first case where mSATA works and 2,5" not.

*rings alarm bell*
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Nymunariya on May 07, 2020, 01:27:54 AM
I only ever bought one IDE SSD, the:

Transcend 64GB IDE SSD TS64GPSD330 tested on G3 Clamshell (og Firewire)


After upgrading to mSATA, I did not do any further testing with it, but I still have the drive.  I would like to test it on my Lombard G3 (for OS 8.6 and OS X).  And if everything works out, in two weeks I should have a 3400 that I could test OS 7 & 8 with.



As for mSATAs: (I apparently have a thing for them, but let's be honest, popping an mSATA out by just lifting the keyboard is really nice.  I don't want to go back to normal IDE drives.)

Kingston 120GB HDSSD mSATA 120GB mS200: currently in Clamshell iBook (since Feb 2017) with OS 9(latest) and OS X Jaguar.  Boot without a problem.

Samsung 500GB 860 EVO mSATA: (since Jun 2019) currently in G4 MacMini with OS 9(latest) & Mac OS X Tiger.  Boots nicely.

SunBow 128GB mSATA M3 Series: (since Mar 2017) currently in PowerBook G3 Pismo with OS 9(latest) & OS X Jaguar. Boots wonderfully.

Sunbow 32GB mSATA M1 Series: (since Jun 2019) my "OS tester".  Currently has partitions with Mac OS 8.6(untested), 9(latest), OS X Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger.  Tested on Clamshell iBook and G3 Pismo, both work flawlessly.
Update 1: currently installing Cheetah to test. Because that's what it's for.
Update 2: Cheetah failed to install.  After a reboot I tried to load Disk Utility, but it would not stop pinwheeling (aka spinning beachball), and I gave up for lack of patience.  I have not tried the install cd on another computer. 

Transcend 64GB mSATA SSD TS64GMSA230S (3D Nand): (Since Jan 2020) I own two.  One has a Void Linux install, other has a Debian Buster(?) PPC install.  Tested in Clamshell iBook and G3 Pismo.  Can easily swap between them.  Boots without a problem.

All mSATAs were used with generic green IDE to mSATA adapters.

Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Roman323 on May 07, 2020, 01:52:36 AM
I only ever bought one IDE SSD, the:

Transcend 64GB IDE SSD TS64GPSD330 tested on G3 Clamshell (og Firewire)

  • OS9: formatted originally in OS 9(.1?), and booted without a problem.  Used it for roughly 2 years (then upgraded to larger mSATA).  Gamed with it. No problem.
  • OSX: would *not* boot.  It rarely got past trying to load drivers (from install cd, including Tiger DVD off PMG4MDD in FWDM), if I did wait long enough for it to time out (upwards of 40 minutes) it could never write to the drive. Or it would try and fail.  I even tried installing Tiger via Firewire disk mode, but all I remember is I never got Jaguar or Tiger to boot off that drive.  I don't know if it was the drive, or the fact that I formatted under OS 9.
  • Linux (Ubuntu Mate 14.04): booted nicely. Absolutely no problems--with booting.  Configuring Xorg was an adventure.

After upgrading to mSATA, I did not do any further testing with it, but I still have the drive.  I would like to test it on my Lombard G3 (for OS 8.6 and OS X).  And if everything works out, in two weeks I should have a 3400 that I could test OS 7 & 8 with.



As for mSATAs: (I apparently have a thing for them, but let's be honest, popping an mSATA out by just lifting the keyboard is really nice.  I don't want to go back to normal IDE drives.)

Kingston 120GB HDSSD mSATA 120GB mS200: currently in Clamshell iBook (since Feb 2017) with OS 9(latest) and OS X Jaguar.  Boot without a problem.

Samsung 500GB 860 EVO mSATA: (since Jun 2019) currently in G4 MacMini with OS 9(latest) & Mac OS X Tiger.  Boots nicely.

SunBow 128GB mSATA M3 Series: (since Mar 2017) currently in PowerBook G3 Pismo with OS 9(latest) & OS X Jaguar. Boots wonderfully.

Sunbow 32GB mSATA M1 Series: (since Jun 2019) my "OS tester".  Currently has partitions with Mac OS 8.6, 9(latest), OS X Jaguar, Panther, Tiger.  May have Leopard and Puma, but I can't find it right now.  Tested on Clamshell iBook and G3 Pismo, both work flawlessly.

Transcend 64GB mSATA SSD TS64GMSA230S (3D Nand): (Since Jan 2020) I own two.  One has a Void Linux install, other has a Debian Buster(?) PPC install.  Tested in Clamshell iBook and G3 Pismo.  Can easily swap between them.  Boots without a problem.

All mSATAs were used with generic green IDE to mSATA adapters.

What about the long m2 sata ? I just ordered a board and cover which will fit right into the pismo.. I was looking at either Adata 128gb OR Samsung EVO ? 128GB.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 07, 2020, 02:03:50 AM
which part of "you have to test that yourself" didnt you understand.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Roman323 on May 07, 2020, 02:08:26 AM
which part of "you have to test that yourself" didnt you understand.

Were you talking to me ? I am not a troll... I just don't want to waste my money on something that does not work - the long M2 Sata from a guy on 68mla.com I think bought a green board to fit into the pismo and bought also a 500GB(overkill if u ask me) m2 sata. i am not a troll.

Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Roman323 on May 07, 2020, 02:11:34 AM
which part of "you have to test that yourself" didnt you understand.

How would you like it if i called you troll ? A loyal OS9 user is not a troll. I have never done this before as far as SSD - this is out of my league since I have been away from high tech stuff for awhile and finally getting back into it.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Bolkonskij on May 07, 2020, 04:59:30 AM
Guys, guys... relax, ok? We're all on the same side and share the same hobby. No need to "cuss 'n curse". I recently sense some aggression in the Mac OS community (not just here) I don't know where it is coming from.

Is it the covid-19 quarantine ?
Is it boredom ?
Maybe both?

Anyway ... we don't have to hug and love, but let's discuss and interact the way people used to do before the social media phenomena?

Back to topic: I successfully tested a Qumox 120 GB SSD in my MDD 2003, which is one of those super cheap SSDs. Mine was a gift from the dealer that come with an order ...
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: MacTron on May 07, 2020, 09:28:34 AM
I had to delete some of the offending words. >:(
I hate having to edit posts. :(
One o the most fascinating things about bein a moderator here is that usually there is nothing to moderate. ;D

Please keep the good vibes all arround. ;)

Cheers to everybody.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Roman323 on May 07, 2020, 10:38:11 AM
Thank you :-) yes, it’s probably due to Covid-19, maybe.
Title: Re: List SSDs w/ OS 9
Post by: FBz on May 07, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
Interesting to note here perhaps that Nymunariya reports that the Samsung
500GB 860 EVO mSata boots OS 9 and OS X in his Mac Mini
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5447.msg40411.html#msg40411
when it had been previously mentioned that the EVO 860 SSD
...was considered questionable?  :o

New news?
Title: Re: List SSDs w/ OS 9
Post by: Nymunariya on May 07, 2020, 12:31:22 PM
Interesting to note here perhaps that Nymunariya reports that the Samsung
500GB 860 EVO mSata boots OS 9 and OS X in his Mac Mini
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5447.msg40411.html#msg40411
when it had been previously mentioned that the EVO 860 SSD
...was considered questionable?  :o

New news?

her Mac Mini, yes. I took a screenshot of the System Profile page, incase there's some specific version of it that I'm using that I don't know about.

Did you consider the SATA SSD questionable, or the mSATA SSD?

I doubt the (super generic "Goliton") IDE 2 mSATA adapter made any difference, but then again somebody did report that it did not work with their PowerBook G4. Could just be amazon giving me some generic mSATA adapter, from the pile of generic chinese mSATA adapters.
Title: Re: SSD w/ OS 9
Post by: FBz on May 07, 2020, 01:37:36 PM
Reference first post, this thread.
(SATA SSD = questionable.)
Your screenshot shows the OS 9 driver installed.
Might be good news for the EVO 860 SATA SSD?
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: XinSheng on May 07, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Hello, new user, and new mac owner I guess, but long time procrastinator. Haven't been using the pandemic to get around to hobbies/projects. This forum is so choc full of information, information overload, that I haven't actually done much yet. If anyone is trying to not spend money, I have a native OS9 machine, iMac G4, and a couple other G4 machines non native OS9, and I happen to have a Samsung EVO 860 SSD 1TB drive being temporarily used in a 2010 Poly MacBook. I just need to buy an IDE to SATA adapter I suppose so that I can help add to the useful list that MacTron started. If anyone has a suggested one, it would be appreciated. Otherwise I'll probably just look through Amazon or eBay and pick something that has high reviews that don't look suspicious. But with shipping being somewhat unreliable it might be a few days or a week before I get the part once I order. Thanks for all the hard work, and maybe I can contribute shortly.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Roman323 on May 07, 2020, 10:21:05 PM
Hi, welcome to the forum ! What PPC Mac do you plan to use a 1TB M2 sata card in ? For OS 9, 1TB is overkill as the OS can only see 128GB of it, but for OS X, no limit - tiger or Leopard will make use of it.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Roman323 on May 07, 2020, 11:06:35 PM
Hello,

Does anyone know if Crucial makes a 128GB of this same type of M2 sata stick ? 500זGB is too much.

Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Nymunariya on May 08, 2020, 12:11:17 AM
[...] For OS 9, 1TB is overkill as the OS can only see 128GB of it[...]

While that’s kinda true for early new world macs (like G3s), OS9 apparently has a software “volume limit” (not drive limit) of about 190GB.

Now I want to buy more mSATAs ... because I do not want to open the mini again ...

When booting the Mini into Mac OS 9, OS 9 can see and access both partitions. I even have all of my games on the larger OS X partition.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Nymunariya on May 08, 2020, 02:02:48 AM
heh. Amazon (Germany) is selling a 1TB(!) Samsung EVO 850 mSATA for 450€ (https://smile.amazon.de/Samsung-MZ-M5E500BW-interne-SATA-mSATA/dp/B00TGIVRYU/ref=sr_1_13).  Anybody brave enough to give it a try?


While it is in German, somebody on amazon commented that they got a Samsung EVO 860 mSATA to work in their PowerBook G4! (https://smile.amazon.de/gp/customer-reviews/RWZ0EBDWPSJRF/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_btm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00ELC8GFO#wasThisHelpful)

I've got another ide to msata adapter arriving on Monday for the Lombard, so I can test how 8.6 likes the mSATAs
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Roman323 on May 08, 2020, 02:31:28 AM
heh. Amazon (Germany) is selling a 1TB(!) Samsung EVO 850 mSATA for 450€ (https://smile.amazon.de/Samsung-MZ-M5E500BW-interne-SATA-mSATA/dp/B00TGIVRYU/ref=sr_1_13).  Anybody brave enough to give it a try?


While it is in German, somebody on amazon commented that they got a Samsung EVO 860 mSATA to work in their PowerBook G4! (https://smile.amazon.de/gp/customer-reviews/RWZ0EBDWPSJRF/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_btm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00ELC8GFO#wasThisHelpful)

I've got another ide to msata adapter arriving on Monday for the Lombard, so I can test how 8.6 likes the mSATAs

It won't work in a Pismo.
Title: Re: List SSDs w/ OS 9
Post by: IIO on May 08, 2020, 05:42:40 AM
New news?

we shall find out what the difference between the EVO 960 2,5" and the mSATA version actually is.

if there is NO difference between them, this raises up new questions about connection type and stuff  - wise as we are, we started collecting the complete info with host computer, controller, and disk - but as it seems we have also to distinguish between  the different SSD formfactors or firmware version.

it is like shaving the yak, even if you reduce the data to G4 and 9.2.2.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 08, 2020, 05:49:14 AM
OS9 apparently has a software “volume limit” (not drive limit) of about 190GB.

2000. because of APM file system.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: XinSheng on May 08, 2020, 01:25:52 PM
Hi, welcome to the forum ! What PPC Mac do you plan to use a 1TB M2 sata card in ? For OS 9, 1TB is overkill as the OS can only see 128GB of it, but for OS X, no limit - tiger or Leopard will make use of it.
Thank you. I have a few iMac G4, a 700 Mhz, 1 Ghz, and a 20'' 1.25 GHz. Also an eMac 1.25 Ghz and a 1.42 Ghz. Last is a PowerMac G4 MDD DP 1.42. The PMG4 will probably be the first to try, as it is the quickest and easiest to test. The Samsung EVO 860 is a straight 2.5 SATA drive, not an M2 SATA, mSATA, etc. It's also not really intended to be permanent. It was a test buy for a different computer, that I haven't yet tested, since I was trying it out in a 2010 white polycarbonate MacBook and never got around to doing anything else with it. It just happened to be on sale for about $100 at the time, and matched what I was looking for to try on a different computer. I saw no reason to buy the newer form factor/faster drives for a higher price for no speed benefit. I might end up keeping it in the PMG4, since I was planning on using that as possibly a OS9 & X machine maybe. Still not 100%, I might just decide that it will be an OS9 only machine. I'm willing to test on all of those machines, as I haven't gotten to doing a deep clean of them, and one of the eMacs was only bought to fix up the other because the case was damaged during shipment. I probably won't be able to test them all on the same day, since it will take time to disassemble all of them. Would it be as easy as just installing the unsupported hardware OS9.2.2 on the drive, and simply connecting them to all the machines?
     Also when I was buying the drive over a year ago?, I read some stuff about the smaller capacity EVO 860 might have some compatibility issues due to a different controller? being sometimes used in them, but not in the higher capacity ones. I do not remember what the cutoff was. Maybe some of the issues with an 860 not working is because of this? We will find out if my 860 works, when my StarTech adaptors get here sometime next week and I can test it out.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Nymunariya on May 08, 2020, 03:00:17 PM
It won't work in a Pismo.

there is a special high capacity driver for OS X (Jaguar and up) https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/speedtools-ata-hi-cap-driver
 (https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/speedtools-ata-hi-cap-driver)

The manual (https://macintoshgarden.org/sites/macintoshgarden.org/files/manuals/ATA_Hi-Cap_Guide.pdf) mentions that there's a Mac OS 9 version of their software that can install the classic device drivers.  They recommend a boot partition of 127,99GB or smaller for that (so as not to exceed the 128GB limit), the rest can be for whatever you need. 

Now I think I should get that 256GB mSATA to test ... but ... it's not as if I need extra space on my Pismo or iBook ...


I know I saw a video in the last few months of somebody install a high capacity sata drive in their G3 iMac.  I can't find the video now, but I'm pretty sure they used the speedtools driver.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Roman323 on May 08, 2020, 04:43:59 PM
Thank you for your advice. I have tried that driver years ago when I had a Sawtooth. Didn’t like it then. This is really only for OS 9 and Tiger. 128Gb is fine for my needs. Now, if it was a MacBook Pro ? Then 1-2TB yes, but those are “living” machines.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 10, 2020, 03:58:48 PM
Tommy Yune
1.8" IDE adapter in a 20th Anniversary Mac
. Takes up half the space of the original drive. Works fine with 128GB mSATA cards from chromebooks
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: tunedbytad on May 10, 2020, 04:30:07 PM
Anyone interested in a PMG4 MDD SATA3 SSD ide to sata adapter shootout?

(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5447.0;attach=7553)

Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: XinSheng on May 10, 2020, 11:14:28 PM
Copy paste from another thread.

My 860 EVO 1TB drive works in my 1.42DP PMG4 running unsupported hardware 9.2.2. Used the StarTech adaptor.

Made a 120GB compatible partition on the drive. It already had High Sierra installed from using with my 2010 white MacBook. Installed the custom OS 9.2.2. Haven't really done much with it, except to boot to see if it loads up. 

Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 11, 2020, 03:31:56 AM
Anyone interested in a PMG4 MDD SATA3 SSD ide to sata adapter shootout?

would you have a search phrase for the yellow guy?
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 11, 2020, 04:12:54 AM
Quote
My 860 EVO 1TB drive works in my 1.42DP PMG4 running unsupported hardware 9.2.2. Used the StarTech adaptor.
Haven't really done much with it, except to boot to see if it loads up.

now the next interesting things to try would be:

2,5" EVO 860 with cheap green adapters
2,5" EVO 850 with startech adapter
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: XinSheng on May 11, 2020, 10:10:46 AM
Quote
My 860 EVO 1TB drive works in my 1.42DP PMG4 running unsupported hardware 9.2.2. Used the StarTech adaptor.
Haven't really done much with it, except to boot to see if it loads up.

now the next interesting things to try would be:

2,5" EVO 860 with cheap green adapters
2,5" EVO 850 with startech adapter

If only my eyes weren't bigger than my wallet. I wouldn't mind trying these, but tunedbytad's rig, now has me rethinking not getting a PCI Sata card, and extra goodies. Maybe also a 5.1/7.1 sound card for games. Were there even any games that had 5.1/7.1 sound in OS9/PPC X? Plus I must figure out/remember/fix my old Win PC with AGP slot so that I can flash AGP cards for Mac.

Edit: Just browsing Amazon, these were like the top three hits... if these are market prices... it makes no sense to buy an 850 if they are mostly the same as the 860 just newer. These are 2.5'', wonder if the M2s are the same price spread.
EVO 860 500GB - $89.99
EVO 850 500GB - $141.58
EVO 850 250GB - $99.99
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 11, 2020, 10:40:42 AM
If only my eyes weren't bigger than my wallet.

it is on my "far future" to-do list to swap all HDs for SSDs. but in my case that would be a matter of >5000 dollars.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: tunedbytad on May 11, 2020, 10:44:53 AM
I can run the m.2 evo 860 on the yellow Startech dual sata and the black dual sata
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 11, 2020, 11:51:36 AM
ah, yet another startech, and yet another "dual". plus it is bidirectional.
 
i still dont have the full picture what this "dual" is about and where we could need it.

Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: FBz on May 11, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
Going out on a limb here… “Duals” can either mean Master + Slave jumper settings OR EVEN Master, Slave AND Cable Select jumper options setttings????

I’m inclined to go with the Master + Slave for “Dual” …which might then make the M / S / CS bridges “TRIPLES”?

And it’s getting more than just a bit confusing now… with the m.2 introduction.

And what’s with the yellow colored “StarTech dual” pictured above? I assume that the jumper(s) allow the choice between Master or Slave? (And no choice of Cable Select.)

AND Congrats to XinSheng on his successful OS 9 boot with a Samsung EVO 860 w/ StarTech adapter.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Roman323 on May 11, 2020, 03:20:58 PM
Want to report this m2 Msata drive boots into OS 9 and X

According to a post from the 68kmla website, a user there used this and it works perfectly. Add this to the list.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Mat on May 11, 2020, 04:33:08 PM
I am using a "Transcend SSD340" (not the 340K version) without any issues, as well in my PM9600 as in my MDD (2003).
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: tunedbytad on May 11, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
the Yellow startech and the Black offbrand ide to sata adapters both have 2x SATA ports
these can run TWO sata drives at the same time from one adapter if you set the jumpers
just the same as the ATA 33/66/100 on the 40/80 pin IDE port with cable select jumpers.

only problem is I cannot close the case once plugged into the G4 MDD ATA100 port
I purchased an IDE 40 PIN 90 male / female ribbon cable but it seems to make the adapter non operational.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 12, 2020, 04:11:56 AM
oh now i understand, it simply employs both IDE buses over one connector, just like an IDE cable does. silly me.

i can hear fury already galloping across the fields, to help you to find the right cable.

however, as soon as fury arrives in town he has to add the "dual" solution to current line of adapter investigations.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 13, 2020, 11:50:25 AM

https://cryptpad.piratenpartei.de/sheet/#/2/sheet/view/1+nYaqG8bS9pbhPSX4tl-Oc+GSP7sWTcztT6ve3jar4/embed/
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 13, 2020, 11:53:31 AM
if we could insert iframes in forum posts we could use one sheet where people report and another one to publish the curretn version.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 15, 2020, 08:32:43 AM
so, after i´ve moved them back from intel minis to the g4 minis i can now finally confirm:

m.2 WD Green 240 Gb via "white case" ide2m2 in a mini

m.2 Intenso 120 Gb via "white case" ide2m2 in a mini
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: XinSheng on May 15, 2020, 09:47:02 AM
if we could insert iframes in forum posts we could use one sheet where people report and another one to publish the curretn version.

Hopefully there are no super strict Apple purists triggered by the suggestion of a Microsoft "product" on a forum devoted to vintage Apple products.  ;D  Thankfully, the "best" things were eventually incorporated into the standards.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 15, 2020, 11:03:22 AM
haha, i already knew a bunch of argumetns against iframes in forums, but their microsoft origin was not yet on my mind.

iframes are so cool when you want to stay away from php. :)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: XinSheng on May 15, 2020, 12:23:36 PM
haha, i already knew a bunch of argumetns against iframes in forums, but their microsoft origin was not yet on my mind.

iframes are so cool when you want to stay away from php. :)

 :) It's been a long time, but I'm sure they are probably the same arguments as decades ago. I only remember that off the top of my head because of having to make websites similar functioning between IE and Netscape with their incomplete/different implementations of the W3C standards.

Cool and useful when you know what you want to do and how. And maybe still you can link the iframe to another site, maybe even itself and cause an infinite loop.  :-X  Never fell victim to that one, only when someone distracted me while creating links on a unix workstation, and did not notice that the focus changed to a different window and my link to a folder was created within the folder itself. Luckily it did not run for too long before I investigated why it was taking longer than normal to copy the new version to the staging area.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: XinSheng on May 18, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
Going out on a limb here… “Duals” can either mean Master + Slave jumper settings OR EVEN Master, Slave AND Cable Select jumper options setttings????

I’m inclined to go with the Master + Slave for “Dual” …which might then make the M / S / CS bridges “TRIPLES”?

And it’s getting more than just a bit confusing now… with the m.2 introduction.

And what’s with the yellow colored “StarTech dual” pictured above? I assume that the jumper(s) allow the choice between Master or Slave? (And no choice of Cable Select.)

AND Congrats to XinSheng on his successful OS 9 boot with a Samsung EVO 860 w/ StarTech adapter.

Thanks. I wonder if it would be of any benefit to also include disk speed tests? With the three different types of form factors, 2.5, mSata, M.2 (2 different types?), for various models, plus the various different adaptors. I would hope that any variations in speed should be pretty minor, since they should be in the end be bottlenecked by the end connection. I didn't end up trying any other machines with the SDD, since for some reason compressed air is also in low supply in stores. I might have to just take the time to do "full" disassemblies to give things a good scrubbing, inside and outside. Have a bunch of cans of compressed air, some high 90s IPA, and a thing of PlastX.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: tunedbytad on May 18, 2020, 08:19:00 PM
Quote
wonder if it would be of any benefit to also include disk speed tests? With the three different types of form factors, 2.5, mSata, M.2 (2 different types?), for various models, plus the various different adaptors. I would hope that any variations in speed should be pretty minor, since they should be in the end be bottlenecked by the end connection.

I have tested many drives / adapters / and configurations
so far all of the adapters I have; red / green / yellow  / black produce nearly the same result

The Speed of the drive plays a huge factor in the PMG4 tests i did
my guess is some drives are gifted in the onboard ram / buffer process and this has a measurable interaction with the ATA100 transfer rate.
the Evo 860 and this OCZ 2.5" SSD are freakishly fast on any adapter or controller over the other SSD's tested.

once I popped in the Seritek 1v4 /Samsung Evo 860 SSDs all of a sudden the ram speed became a major player in data transfer speed!!!!
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on May 19, 2020, 05:33:45 AM
the speeds will be around 110-150 mb/s, as long as you dont use a SATA II controller in a 64 bit PCI slot MDD.

not sure if you need to know it more exact?

what i find interesting is the speed of the SSDs themselves (which doesnt play any role in OS9 ;) ), often bigger disks are much faster because they have a different architecture.

sometimes this goes together with amazing price differences. the samsung 860 EVO for example is a steal at 1TB, both smaller (well that is to be expected) and bigger ones are far more expensive. (1TB starts at 120 euro, 4TB starts at 850 euro)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Shocklance on July 26, 2020, 11:23:07 PM
I am booting OS9 from a 80GB Intel 530 Series M.2 connected to the usual SinTech green adapter.

Hopefully this information assists someone in the future.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: nickbirkby on August 05, 2020, 10:12:59 AM
Hi all, there are some cheap Samsung EVO 750 120gb drives for sale locally. I did a search but only found one ref to using these in a macbook pro. Any reason i shouldnt try one out on my MDD 1.25? For 9.2.  I cant find any references to these to these- good or bad.

Oh, to answer my own question i see its a cheaper version of the 850 so probably wont work...oh well
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on August 05, 2020, 08:09:38 PM
of course that is exactly why it would be great if you tested. :)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: nickbirkby on August 06, 2020, 10:33:08 AM
I think I will. Hopefully can use it elsewhere if it doesnt work..
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: MacTron on August 19, 2020, 07:45:50 AM
so, after i´ve moved them back from intel minis to the g4 minis i can now finally confirm:

m.2 WD Green 240 Gb via "white case" ide2m2 in a mini

ide2m2 ??

I have a WD Green M.2 2280 (240GB) working with an M.2 to SATA adapter:
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5447.0;attach=7773)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on August 19, 2020, 02:33:00 PM
ide2m2 ??

this style.

they are mostly white, sometimes black, and exist for 2280 as well as msata. starting at USD 10 and easily fit into a mini.

the delock clamp is 3 mm thicker and 30 dollars.^^
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Jubadub on September 02, 2020, 04:23:09 PM
Samsung Evo 860 "probably" DON'T works on Mac Os 9 (tested is needed)

Most likely works, as the higher-end MLC version, Samsung PRO 860, works on my MDD (with Marvell-based SATA-to-IDE adapter) under 9.2.2.

2TB version, no less.

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Inch-SATA-Internal-MZ-76P2T0BW/dp/B07879KC15

I also got the EVO version in mSATA form factor (with a non-Marvell adapter) on my PowerBook 15" DLSD working just fine, but that machine isn't running OS9 yet, so that doesn't count, but may be worth mentioning.

I'd like to try the 4TB PRO version on the MDD with OS9 someday, but I'm not confident that would work, simply due to drive (not partition) size. But I later realized that it's likely better to buy multiple 256 GB SSDs and configure them as a single partition with RAID 0, as far as optimal speed is concerned. No idea what RAID 0 software for OS 9 is available for this purpose, though, if any. Any ideas/pointers?
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on September 03, 2020, 05:46:03 AM

raid? the 860 pro has some 500/500 read/write speed, which is 4 times higher than the IDE bus you are connected it to.

but feel free to try that proposed 4TB method, we are waiting for someone who can do a practice test. :)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Jubadub on September 03, 2020, 12:36:45 PM
raid? the 860 pro has some 500/500 read/write speed, which is 4 times higher than the IDE bus you are connected it to.

Yes, but put 2 SDDs in 2 separate IDE buses with a single RAID 0 partition, and you got yourself IDE speeds x 2. Add PCI SATA cards, and you got yourself 3, 4 etc. buses, all writing to and reading from in parallel. :)

That's the theory, anyway, and we need RAID 0 software for it to work. I believe it likely exists for OS 9, but would have to look.

PPC OS X has built-in RAID 0 support which works that way. I just don't invest on that instead because, well, it's not Mac OS. 8)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on September 03, 2020, 12:55:46 PM
yeah that what i was thinking, for IDE there is no software solution foir OS9.

btw. i have read a few reports from people which said that using an SSD with OS9 or with very slow OSX PPC machines would have made the performance of other componenty sloppy.

say like dropouts in games or choppy video.

so eventually it is not the best idea to max out your mass storage speeds when you dont have a good bunch of RAM in your machine? or what other reasons could cause that symptome?
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Jubadub on September 04, 2020, 01:34:39 AM
What about SCSI RAID 0 software solutions? Got any names? As you may already know, SATA support for OS9 in SATA cards is done by tricking the OS into recognizing them as SCSI cards, to eliminate the need for drivers.

"Drop out in games" and/or "choppy video" from mere SSD use is simply impossible. Even if the SSD was finally about to die, and that was to interfere, it would outright crash the game, video player and/or the OS. If anything, it would have the opposite effect, because less energy is drawn from the PSU and less heat is generated, in case components started lacking the required energy, and/or started getting too hot to properly function.

Have had an SSD on the mini since the beginning, and my MDD is also functioning better than ever with this monstrous SSD. Not even once did I experience any such issues, and I played all sorts of games extensively, from Diablo II and Battlin' Babe to Escape Velocity, Mars Rising and Marathon. Same for OSX PPC, for an even longer period of time.

The cause(s) is(are) certainly elsewhere. I.e. bad displays being used, bad GPUs, usage of virtual memory etc.. It'd be relevant to know what machines are being used, exactly, too. It could very well be the machine simply doesn't meet the game or video requirements from the beginning, like a slow processor or slow GPU. (And, no, storage capacity doesn't change RAM requirements in any significant, if even in any, way.)

There's also the issue that some people call microSDs or Compact Flash (CF) drives "SSD". :) Although that still shouldn't cause those specific problems. Although it may be worthwhile to know what drive adapters they may be using.

In short, assuming the reports are real or accurate, there is without doubt misattribution to the cause of the problems. We can actually try troubleshooting them if you provide links to them. Only issue is that it'd be a bit offtopic, because it's not SSD-related. :)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on September 04, 2020, 03:14:49 AM
no these people were not available to troubleshoot their problems. would have loved to discuss it. :)

about scsi raid, what software would that be? and what would happen with a software raid solution when you boot into OSX?
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Jubadub on September 06, 2020, 09:28:46 AM
and what would happen with a software raid solution when you boot into OSX?

Using an OS9 RAID solution, then booting into OSX? That's actually a very good question... I'm assuming at worst it would not recognize the drives and ask for them to be reformatted, and at best, it would recognize them like a single drive just fine, but that depends on how it really works behind the scenes.

But first, we would need some OS9 RAID software. I will try to have a look next weekend, I'm sure I can find something...
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on September 12, 2020, 06:54:34 PM
switching to SSDs via ide adapter in my main quicksilver next week, wish me luck.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: dajhorn on October 01, 2020, 05:57:15 AM
This works:
Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger are both bootable, and the adapter reports sensible metadata like SMART status.

This upgrade seems to max-out the IDE port in the Mac Mini G4. Both parts together cost less than $50 delivered in September 2020.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: tuxedojack on October 29, 2020, 06:42:55 PM
I have a 120GB Samsung PM830 working in my Cube now via a Sabrent mSATA to SATA adapter (which is then daisy-chained to a Kingwin SATA-to-IDE adapter).
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: ToddH on December 30, 2020, 11:37:25 AM
ide2m2 ??

this style.

they are mostly white, sometimes black, and exist for 2280 as well as msata. starting at USD 10 and easily fit into a mini.

the delock clamp is 3 mm thicker and 30 dollars.^^

I just purchased one of these with a 128 GB mSATA SSD. Is it better to leave the white case on or off? Wondering about any heat issues.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on December 30, 2020, 12:52:29 PM
i really dont know. i´ve put mine in (i´ve paid for it so i use it) but it probably works without.

what the case definetely does it that it protects the board and the ssd while you assemble the machine. and who knows, maybe it it also useful in case you drop the mini on the floor.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: ToddH on December 30, 2020, 01:18:01 PM
Will leave on then. Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: DrNo7 on December 30, 2020, 10:21:38 PM
I just purchased one of these with a 128 GB mSATA SSD. Is it better to leave the white case on or off? Wondering about any heat issues.

Got a similar one for my powerbook and was concerned about temperature. As the thread for the screws to keep it in position were on the plastic part, I was not comfortable to put it in without (I don't have a double-sided tape that I would trust).

So the halfway point for me was to drill the plastic part to make it look like swiss cheese !

Not having a temperature probe at the SSD level I cannot provide any data to help compare the solutions.
As usual,whatever you are comfortable with should be fine (worst case scenario you will have to re-open the Mac to change the setup if it really does not work well).
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Hopfenholz on January 01, 2021, 03:13:48 AM
Thought it was worth noting that I am using the Dogfish MSATA 128GB drive with a cheap eBay IDE adapter and it seems to work fine HOWEVER FireWire target Disk mode no longer works - black screen, nothing happens.

This is on a PowerBook G4 12” 1.5Ghz. Due to the design of the HDD connector cable I have no ability to jumper the adapter to Master.

Transcend SSD 30GB works perfectly on TiBook 500MHz, but again FW target disk mode did not work (and machine would hang on wake from sleep) until I jumpered the drive to Master. Now everything works fine.

FW target disk mode makes these old macs a lot more usable when configuring etc so thought it was worth noting.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: xerograph on January 04, 2021, 08:58:35 AM
But first, we would need some OS9 RAID software. I will try to have a look next weekend, I'm sure I can find something...

I use CharisMac RAID PPC V2.52 as software-RAID 1 solution with two SSD at Acard and Sonnet sATA adapters for over ten years now.
the computers were G3 b/w, G4 Quicksilver and G4/MDD with system 9.2.2.
Built 5 or 6 systems in this configuration. never had any problems. RAID 0 is also possible.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: GuiBer on January 15, 2021, 10:27:43 AM
Here is my experience with my PowerMac G4 MDD 400FW with a converter PATA to SATA to allow the installation of a SSD drive in the PMac.

I bought a Startech converter card (https://www.startech.com/en-us/hdd/ide2sat2  US$ 24,99) and I connected first an SSD Crucial BX300 120GB and after a SanDisk Plus 240GB.
Both SSD was formatted with Mac OS Tiger 10.4 and Disk Utility, partitioning (Apple Format) them in 3 volumes and installing OS9 drives. Jumper set to Cable Select.
In the first partition then I installed OS X Leopard, in the second OS X Tiger and in the third OS 9.2.2.
Well, everything works great and I can switch and boot from every partition.

The benchmarks I got with Hard Disk SpeedTools 3.7 are (both SSD had similar results on the ATA/100 channel) :  read 64mb/s - write 60mb/s (standard test) and read 89mb/s - write 87mb/s (extended test).
Always using the same bus ATA/100, a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9  ATA/133 (120GB) has achieved 43/34 (standard) and 46/42 (extended).
In my opinion, for the price and the characteristics the Startech card is a really good purchase for a Mac G3/G4 and maybe G5.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: refinery on January 19, 2021, 03:56:20 PM

In my opinion, for the price and the characteristics the Startech card is a really good purchase for a Mac G3/G4 and maybe G5.

might be a viable option given the onboard sata in the G5 is *very* picky about what SSDs it will work with.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: pmj on February 05, 2021, 11:18:35 AM
G4 PowerBook Titanium DVI 1Gb / 667MHz
Docooler mSATA to IDE enclosure (black plastic housing and PCB w/ JM20330 chip)
SunBow mSATA 120Gb M3 SSD

Format via Drive Setup 1.9.2 and restore via the MacOS9Lives ASR.  Booting 9.2.2 fine and working fast and smoothly so far  -afro-
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Gaz on March 17, 2021, 12:27:01 AM
I was finally able to make my long dead G4 MDD 867 work again with Instant Daw (Awesome image btw!) now up and running ! ;D ;D ;D
Booting from a cheap Lexar NS100 256 GB with the red startech adapter! These days I should get another cheap PNY SSD to test with the cheap green chinese adapter!

UPDATE: The cheap green chinese IDE\SATA Adapter (old one not the RXD-629A7-7)  is likely defective, or at least I can't boot from the same Lexar disk that works with the startech!

(https://i.expansys.net/i/b/b316928-1.jpg)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Gaz on March 23, 2021, 01:14:52 AM
Ok, I can confirm that the cheap PNY CS900 120 GB boots in OS9 just fine, although must be noted that his advertised speed data (rw 500mb/sec) are far from truth ( about 300 mb/sec) from what I benchmarked.
This is not a problem with G4s/G3s as the bottleneck is in the sata card, the pci bus, ide bus or in the ide to sata converter, but If you want to reuse the disk on a more modern machine is a big no no!
(https://www.theitdepot.com/images/proimages/33564_PNY-5002.jpg)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: w3sl33 on March 24, 2021, 08:39:32 AM
Before my MDD stopped working I was getting around 50mps with the Kingwin and OWC Elektra on the 100ata and 30mps on the 66
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Angel on July 16, 2021, 04:35:12 PM
Before trying the SD Adapter way, i've tested a Crucial BX 120GB with an IDE/SATA Adapter ever connected to the standard controller.

There i've been crushed versus really bad sys crash (all dead, rom routine too) during write tests but there the problem seem related only to adapter's capacitors. I've tested two different of them with different capacitors' values and i'm pretty sure the smaller one kill the machine faster than the second one.

If you are using a device like these, who are their maker ? What values can you see on the capacitors so i will try to modify my ?
Title: Bad Bridge Adapter?
Post by: FBz on July 16, 2021, 06:05:03 PM
Which Mac did you install in and which IDE/SATA adapter specifically?
(Pics of your adapters would be great).

Installed (2) Crucial, BX 500 SSDs’s (480GB & 1000GB) in Mac Minis here - w/o failures.
*But not with capacitor-ed adapters like the ADP-06, RXD-629A7-7 or JP103-5 varieties.
If none of these above adapters, please advise. AND - both of yours... kill your Mac?

PM me.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on July 17, 2021, 09:34:18 AM
there were also that fourth type who does not have visible caps at all, but i could never re-find it on ebay.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: teroyk on July 17, 2021, 11:39:12 AM
so, after i´ve moved them back from intel minis to the g4 minis i can now finally confirm:

m.2 WD Green 240 Gb via "white case" ide2m2 in a mini

ide2m2 ??

I think he use something like these: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5447.msg40358.html#msg40358

I have tested Kingston M.2 128 MB in that kind of unnamed adapter (bought about 2018 from some french ebay seller), working good in Powerbook G3 PDQ with 8.1-9.2.2, but some strange problems:
- You cannot install OSX 10.0-10.2 in it, waiting looooong time to write first installation files and then kernel panic. (I know that boot partitions has to be under first 8 GB)
- Choosing to boot another MacOS version hang current Mac OS 9.2.2 and you need boot CD to choose to boot another version. Choosing between MacOS 8.1 and 8.6 works fine.
Title: Re: Bad Bridge Adapter?
Post by: Angel on July 17, 2021, 04:03:19 PM

Installed (2) Crucial, BX 500 SSDs’s (480GB & 1000GB) in Mac Minis here - w/o failures.
*But not with capacitor-ed adapters like the ADP-06, RXD-629A7-7 or JP103-5 varieties.


The machine is the Beige G3 and the adapter is the JP103-5. Now i'm trying to modify it installing bigger capacitors (up to 1000uF 25V). Only must find a sacrifical machine...
Il problem, i think is related to excessive power requirement during write operations which are unsustainable for the adapter.
Maybe "modern" ides with newer ata standards pretend less current so the capacitors can recover just in time, obviously any normal mechanical sata disk doesn't have these claims.

Finally if nether will go fine i'll try with a mSata Adapter but must find something with IDE socket at 40 pin not 44 pin (another adapter between ? no thanks)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on July 18, 2021, 10:08:37 AM
as for the "heat" and "power" releated discussions, dont forget that 1.) in a mac mini we are only using around 10% of the I/O capabilities of the SSDs itself adn 2. the usual 2.5" SSDs also have airtight enclosures.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: pixitha on January 21, 2022, 06:35:09 AM
Startech SATA to IDE adapter, Red PCB (not sure which model beyond that?), with Samsung 850 EVO 500GB boots just fine for MacOS9.2.2 and OSX 10.4/5 and Sorbet. Also sharing the bus with the original 40G PATA drive.

On a MDD Dual1Ghz G4.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: VicNor on May 11, 2022, 12:56:32 PM
Sandisk SSD Plus 120 Gb via StarTech IDE-SATA adaptor works great with Mac OS 9.2.2 on an iMac G3 (slotloaded). The SSD was an impulse buy since it was on clearance (~€25)
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: ScooberDiver on September 30, 2022, 10:53:57 AM
For anyone working with a Mac Mini G4, this adapter worked fine for me once I switched to a Samsung M.2 SATA SSD. The two Sandisk M.2 SATA SSDs I tried gave me trouble. I'll try to track down the model numbers. I don't feel like cracking open those Mac Mini cases again. LOL

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z67GX6W (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z67GX6W)

Apple didn't support OS9 on the Mac Mini G4 but this custom build works great.
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4365.msg30502.html

With OSX, the Sandisk ones would report S.M.A.R.T. issues and most strangely, the computer had all the symptoms of a dead battery (!). The clock wouldn't run while powered off / it would lose the boot information and required a PRAM reset every time you powered up, if you wanted it to load the OS. It was bizarre!
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: ScooberDiver on October 03, 2022, 08:40:28 AM
The web site won't let me edit my previous post. Here are the part numbers.

Sandisk # SD8SN8U-256G-1006 has a problem with the adapter.

Samsung # MZNLN256HMHQ-000H1 works fine.

They are both 256GB M.2 SATA SSD.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: smilesdavis on October 04, 2022, 07:46:33 AM
where is the "list"? can we bundle all combined knowlege in a sticky list vogons style? and the sata ide adapters that work(also for international buyers)?

im trying to get a sata ide adapter but the startech costs more than any of my mdds even the one with 1.8ghz sonnez upgrade
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on October 05, 2022, 06:05:09 AM

https://cryptpad.piratenpartei.de/sheet/#/2/sheet/view/1+nYaqG8bS9pbhPSX4tl-Oc+GSP7sWTcztT6ve3jar4/embed/
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: DM1311 on October 05, 2022, 05:22:17 PM
Booting on a 250GB 840 EVO on a Beige G3 333 with Sil3112 SATA PCI card works fine here. :)
Made an 8GB boot partition and 2 others split evenly.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: smilesdavis on October 12, 2022, 08:42:19 PM
this one from aliexpress? https://bit.ly/3SX2fDB
im desperately looking for a sata controller for my eight g4s right now, does it work or do i need to flash it or something
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: torvan on November 23, 2022, 04:18:33 PM
New discovery--just installed 9.2.2 and a few apps on a TeamForce 1TB SSD connected to the Sonnet Tempo PCI SATA card on my 2002 G4 Dual 1.0 GHz.  Drive Setup saw it, partitioned it, and installed the OS.

OS9 sees it as SCSI Bus 0, just so you are aware when you have other SCSI devices. . . . .

Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: smilesdavis on November 24, 2022, 01:48:30 AM
New discovery--just installed 9.2.2 and a few apps on a TeamForce 1TB SSD connected to the Sonnet Tempo PCI SATA card on my 2002 G4 Dual 1.0 GHz.  Drive Setup saw it, partitioned it, and installed the OS.

OS9 sees it as SCSI Bus 0, just so you are aware when you have other SCSI devices. . . . .

Tempo Serial ATA (2x) or Tempo Serial ATA x4?

pricey 250-800 eur for that card alone these days
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: ivanshpak on November 24, 2022, 03:32:29 AM
New discovery--just installed 9.2.2 and a few apps on a TeamForce 1TB SSD connected to the Sonnet Tempo PCI SATA card on my 2002 G4 Dual 1.0 GHz.  Drive Setup saw it, partitioned it, and installed the OS.

OS9 sees it as SCSI Bus 0, just so you are aware when you have other SCSI devices. . . . .

By the way, SCSI Bus 0 in this case concerns only a specific controller, other SCSI devices on another PCI bus can also be with SCSI bus 0
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: IIO on November 24, 2022, 06:43:19 AM
SATA disks are always "SCSI" in OS9 and "IDE" in OSX.

it might be unavoidable, but it often seems not very average-user friendly how apple OS is talking to us.

i already go mad when i am asking the OS version number via gestalt in max/msp. this mixture of hex, decimal and binary you get from gestalt is completely unneccesary.

and whoever´s fault this is, but it is not ideal that some PCI cards simply show as "unknown" in the profiler app.
Title: Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
Post by: Aliotech1 on February 05, 2023, 07:57:55 AM
This combo works well :
Tested in an iBook G3 and a Mac Mini G4, both are accepting it flawlessly in OSX + OS9 :

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00F53W6J0?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details ( KALEA INFORMATIQUE © - Adaptateur mSATA vers IDE 44 (IDE 2.5") - pour SSD Mini PCIe de Type mSATA )

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B07GMD5R7M?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details ( Transcend 128 Go SATA III 6 Go/s MSA230S mSATA SSD 230S Solid State Drive TS128GMSA230S )
Title: SSD BENCHMARKS
Post by: FBz on February 05, 2023, 10:10:05 AM
Thanks Aliotech1… and welcome to the Forum!

Would you download and run QuickBench (for OS 9) and XBench (for versions of OS X)
and provide those results for your mSATA combination?
(Both benchmarking apps attached - bottom, below.)

AND perhaps WHAT we all should have been doing here all along…
-post your benchmark results and specific info about your machine?

For Instance:
Here’s QuickBench results for…

PowerBook G3 Lombard / 400 MHz / 256MB (RAM)
80 GB Seagate Momentus 4200.2 Ultra ATA 2.5” HDD / 7200 RPM

(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5447.0;attach=11544;image)


AND, a similar example from:

G4 Mac Mini / 1.25 GHz / 512 MB (RAM)
128 GB Inland SSD with an AS331 v1.5 SATA adapter

(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5447.0;attach=11546;image)

And if you are also running a version of OS X (in this case OS 10.4) run XBench.
Here are those XBench results from the same Mac mini noted above.

          (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5447.0;attach=11548;image)