IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE A HARD DRIVE GREATER THAN 128 GB USE Mac OS 9.2.2
If you intend to use PATA/IDE hard drives larger than 128GB under OS 9, then be aware that you will need the combination of a Mac with an IDE controller that is 48-bit LBA compliant and operating system version 9.2.2
What the hell is 48-bit LBA compliant, you ask?
Well, it is the ability of the Mac to see the total number of heads, cylinders, and sectors of large hard drives.
We have tested the following Macs and they can see hard drives of up to 500GB within Mac OS 9.2.2: QuickSilver 733, QuickSilver 800, QuickSilver DP 800, QuickSilver 867, QuickSilver 933, QuickSilver Dual 1 GHz with logic board 820-1342-B (QS logic board 820-1276-A will NOT work and peak out at 128 GB), All FW400 MDD models, Titanium PowerBook 800, Titanium PowerBook 867, Titanium PowerBook 1Ghz will work nicely.
With drives over 128GB, as far as the Mac OS revision, you will be stuck with Mac OS 9.2.2 only, as it contains Apple Drive Setup V2.1. This version of this app is the first version to support larger drives and will be needed to format and partition drives greater than 128GB. We also recommend that you keep your partitions to sizes of 190GB or less.. exceeding this size has some ramifications .. (2 of them) .. 1st) OS 9 will not boot and 2nd) Norton Speed Disk V6.03 will not be able to defrag it.
To clarify, if you are putting a 500GB IDE drive into your Mac, simply break it into 3 partitions:*format all volumes Mac OS Extended
- 120GB (os volume)
- 190GB (data volume) --190gb being the highest size while maintaining compatibility with defrag
- 190GB (data volume) --190gb being the highest size while maintaining compatibility with defrag
What about external Firewire drives?
Network related extensions:
Apple Enet 2.4.5, AppleShare 3.9.4, Open Transport 2.8.3, Open Transport ASLM Modules 2.8.3, Shared Library Manager PPC 2.0.2, Internet Config Extension 2.0.7
USB/FireWire related extensions:
FireWire Enabler 2.8.7, FireWire Support 2.8.7, HID Library 1.5.9, USB Device Extension 1.5.9
QuickTime And Sound Manager related extensions:
Apple Audio Extension 2.4, Sound Manager 3.7.1, QuickTime Extensions, QuickTime 6.0.3, QuickTime Musical Instruments 6.0.2, QuickTime PowerPlug 6.0.3
OpenG related extensions:
OpenGLEngine 1.2.4, OpenGLLibrary 1.2.5, OpenGLMemory 1.2.4, OpenGLRenderer 1.2.4, OpenGLUtility 1.2.4
Video card related extensions:
NVIDIA 2D Acceleration 3.5.2, NVIDIA Drive 3.5.2, NVIDIA DVD Accelerator 3.5.2, NVIDIA Engine 3.5.2, NVIDIA OpenGL 3.5.2, NVIDIA Video Accelerator 3.5.2
Other Extensions:
DrawSprocketLib 1.7.8, InputSprocket Extension 1.7.3, Time Synchronizer 8.3.3, Contextual Menu Extension 1.0.2, Joliet Volume Access 2.1b5,
Text Encoding Converter 1.6, Apple CD/DVD Driver 1.4.8, DVD Region Manager 1.1, CarbonLib 1.6.1, Multiprocessing
Control Panels:
Joliet Control 2.1b5,USB Overdrive 1.4,Appearance 1.1.4,Date & Time 8.3.3, Energy Saver 3.0.5,File Exchange 3.0.5, General Controls 8.0.3, Internet 1.0.3, Keyboard 8.6.2,Memory 8.1.3,Monitors 7.5.6, Numbers7.1,QuickTime Settings 6.0.2, Sound 8.5.8, Startup Disk 9.2.6,TCP/IP 2.5,Text 8.0
I will not explain the function of every control panel and extension here, you can google something if you are curious or use this as a quick start guide and take the advice on pure faith...
1) INITIAL TWEAKS
- Memory ControlPanel
From the Apple Menu, choose the “Control Panels” pop-up, and click MEMORY
Turn Virtual Memory OFF
Be Sure RAM DISK is OFF.
- Energy Saver Control Panel
From the Apple Menu, choose the “Control Panels” pop-up, and click ENERGY SAVER
In the SLEEP SETUP page, set “Put the system to sleep” at NEVER.
(It is also recommended that the SLEEP command not be used from the "Special" menu)
- Disable Appletalk
From the Apple Menu, click CHOOSER
Click INACTIVE in next to the Appletalk option at the bottom right corner of the window.
- Disable Font Smoothing
From the Apple Menu, choose the “Control Panels” pop-up, and click APPEARANCE
Click the FONTS tab inside the Appearance window.
Disable the option “SMOOTH ALL FONTS”
2) VIDEO CARD INFORMATION (needed for later on)
From the Apple Menu, click "Apple System Profiler"
Select the Second Tab at the top "Devices and Volumes"
Under the PCI, Slot-1, AGP section, click the blue triangle to the left of "Display Card" to open the Video card info. write down the card Manufacturer
3) EXTENSIONS AND CONTROL PANELS
Trim your Extensions & Controls Panels to help performance and prevent possible extension conflicts; if you are a Newbie to OS 9, when in doubt, don't turn off an extension unless you are sure you don't need it, the amount of RAM saved is not worth the headache you are going to have if you inadvertently turned off something you need and don't realize it...if you want to experiment, you can use this guide first as a baseline and then pick "Duplicate Set" and try variations of your initial modified setup, that way, you can easily switch back if you make a mistake
From the Apple Menu, choose the “Control Panels” pop-up, and click EXTENSIONS MANAGER..
Click “Duplicate Set” at the bottom right corner of the Extensions Manager window. Name the duplicate set when prompted… something like "Recording Studio Mac" or your name as an Artist or Production Company
Sort First... it will make the below list much easier !
Click on the word "Package" at the top of the Package column to immediate sort the Control Panels and Extensions, this will immediately give you a bird's eye view of which packages belong together
- Control Panels to turn off
If you don't intend on using a dial-up telephone modem..
Remove the X from
DialAssist
Modem
Remote Access
Also, Remove the X from
Location Manager
Multiple Users (assuming you are the only user, you better be, don'y let anyone use your Music Mac)
Software Update
USB Printer Sharing (who likes to share anyway)
Web Sharing
- Extensions to turn off
If you don't have an Airport Wireless Card Installed...
Remove the X from
Airport AP
Airport AP Support
Airport Driver
If you don't access your Mac remotely...
Remove the X from
OpenTpt Remote Access
OpenTpt Serial Arbitrator
Remote Only
If you don't Voice Control your Mac...
Remove the X from
Speech Recognition
If you use iTunes, but don't own a Nomad, SoundSpace, or Rio (I don't think you own any of these)...
Remove the X from
Nomad II USB Driver
Nomad MG USB Driver
Nomad USB shim
NomadJukeboxLib
SoundSpace2Lib
NomadJukeboxLib Driver
USBRioDriver
USBSoundSpace2 Driver
To turn off hard drive file indexing (trust me, you want it off)
Remove the X from
FBC Indexing Scheduler
No Zip or Jaz drive ?
Remove the X from
Iomega Drive
Some to trust me on... unless you know otherwise
Remove the X from
Location Manager Extension
Multi-User Startup
Serial Tool
Software Update Engine
Software Update Scheduler
Voice Verification
VT102 Tool
XMODEM Tool
Web Sharing Extension
Setup Assistant API
Setup Assistant Launcher
Setup Info Dispatcher
Setup Internet Support
Setup Modem Selector
To turn off un-needed video extensions (remember you found out your video card in Step 2
If you have an nVidia Card
Remove the X from
All Extensions with "ATI" in them
If you have an ATI Card
Remove the X from
All Extensions with "nVidia" in them
4) ADVANCED TRICKS & TIPS:
After an Initial Mac OS 9 Install navigate to the Extensions folder in the System Folder, select all the files (hold down Command/Apple and press 'A'), and label them with a color. This way, any third-party extensions added subsequently are easy to spot since they will appear with a different color to the original set and these colours will be visible in Extensions Manager!.
you could just swap the file, but dont do this when you currently dont have another option around to boot this machine into whatever in case you need to revert that.
Many thaks for your support.
Found this and it works.
<https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-mini-g4-macos-92-v9>
Thanks again.
Seriously I am VERY grateful for the work that has gone into these various ISO's and I will be contributing but I cannot fathom how my stock G4 mini and Powermac G4 MDD 800 FW don't work with these supposedly tested and confirmed builds--these computers haven't changed in 20 years, so no new drivers or components have been incorporated. And the posting on the 'garden' may be a user here, so I am grateful for him also.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS FINALLY WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is it with macOS9lives? All the 'this is for unsupported G4's, heck even the mini and the Powermac G4 MDD 800 FW' and the 'no OF commands to type, just burn the ISO and install'. I feel like I'm on a used car lot being sold a lemon! Now the poster here deserves all of our gratitude especially if he was involved in the development, as well as the folks at macOS9lives, but the latter needs some serious culling and editing of their stuff over there. Sheesh!
And this is on Version 9 WOW!
Now the million dollar question--will this work on my G4 Powermac MDD 800 FW? Or is there another post here that will do the trick. Please don't make me watch another 7 year old video on YT that doesn't work
I feel like I'm on a used car lot being sold a lemon! Now the poster here deserves all of our gratitude especially if he was involved in the development
FYI - garden gets its iso's from here.
QuoteSeriously I am VERY grateful for the work that has gone into these various ISO's and I will be contributing but I cannot fathom how my stock G4 mini and Powermac G4 MDD 800 FW don't work with these supposedly tested and confirmed builds--these computers haven't changed in 20 years, so no new drivers or components have been incorporated. And the posting on the 'garden' may be a user here, so I am grateful for him also.
Obviously the "Universal Installer" won't work for either of those, as universal was designated by Apple to mean for all machines machines that were meant to natively boot to OS9.
Both of your units need "special" versions: both are here, both work perfectly, both were created here, so we are in agreement as I cannot fathom it either...
G4 Mini:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4365.0.html
G4 MDD 800:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,2143.0.html
Here are some notes for your machine in case you don't read the download page...
Model Specific Hardware Notes:
1. Apple Power Macintosh G4 1.25 DP (FW 800) (Identifiers: M8570, M8840LL/A, Firewire 800, PowerMac3,6)
Firewire 800 ports are seen as FW400 ports are FW400 ports are Not recognized, all other hardware functions as normal
2. Apple Power Macintosh G4 1.42 DP (FW 800) (Identifiers: M8570, M8840LL/A, Firewire 800, PowerMac3,6)
Firewire 800 ports are seen as FW400 ports are FW400 ports are Not recognized, all other hardware functions as normal
Your Garden Post:QuoteI CAN'T BELIEVE THIS FINALLY WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is it with macOS9lives? All the 'this is for unsupported G4's, heck even the mini and the Powermac G4 MDD 800 FW' and the 'no OF commands to type, just burn the ISO and install'. I feel like I'm on a used car lot being sold a lemon! Now the poster here deserves all of our gratitude especially if he was involved in the development, as well as the folks at macOS9lives, but the latter needs some serious culling and editing of their stuff over there. Sheesh!
And this is on Version 9 WOW!
Now the million dollar question--will this work on my G4 Powermac MDD 800 FW? Or is there another post here that will do the trick. Please don't make me watch another 7 year old video on YT that doesn't work
As far as your million dollar question, No it won't... use the link I posted above, every download CLEARLY states what it is for, So why would you try the "mini" install on the MDD ?!
For a guy that sounds like he tried everything, start by reading
No Open firmware commands are neededQuoteI feel like I'm on a used car lot being sold a lemon! Now the poster here deserves all of our gratitude especially if he was involved in the development
Yeah, he is a valued member here and he (RossDarker) assembled it into a CD (injected it from our other ASR installs) and added all the work that was done here:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,2408.0.html
macOS9lives, but the latter needs some serious culling and editing of their stuff over there. Sheesh!
No problem at all, you are of course welcome to our community and I am glad your stuff is working... I just know that myself and our core members have spent countless hours assembling, creating, and testing stuff for the masses. Our universal install has hit over 300K downloads.
So the only comment that kinda got to me wasQuotemacOS9lives, but the latter needs some serious culling and editing of their stuff over there. Sheesh!
Because I personally have spent many sleepless nights over the last 10 years to help as many I could, we did not whip this thing up in a week and put it on the web. I have said my peace :)
I am trying to make a bootable macos9.2.2 in PowerBookG4 (1.5GHz 15" (SMS/BT2 - Al, PowerBook5,6 - A1106). However, I stumbled at the 1st step to install os9 driver ...Disk Utility of macOS 10.3.7 that came with this G4 machine, when trying to partition the HD, does not show an option for Apple Partition with os9 driver installation.Only thing I can find is this link:
I had tried Disk Utility in OS1-.4.11 (Tiger) for another machine.....again no option for Apple Partition.
How can I get an installer with an option for Apple Partition with os9 driver installation?
However, I stumbled at the 1st step to install os9 driver ...Disk Utility of macOS 10.3.7 that came with this G4 machine, when trying to partition the HD, does not show an option for Apple Partition with os9 driver installation.
(http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/mac-os-9-boot-screen-with-extensions-610x414.jpg)
To boot a computer with Mac Os 9, we need:
#1- A Mac Os 9 capable computer.
#2- An HFS volume with Mac Os 9 drivers.
#3- A Mac Os 9 System folder.
Notes:
#1- All g3 and most of G4 are Mac Os 9 capable computers. This can be checked at http://www.everymac.com/ (http://www.everymac.com/). Furthermore, some of unsupported Macs can be booted via special procedures ...
#2- An HFS volume can be a Hard Disk, a CD-ROM or an external device connected via USB (including pendrives), Firewire or eSATA.
Drive Setup (in Mac Os 9) and Disk Utility (in Os X) can format HFS+ devices with Mac Os 9 drivers. Gparted (Linux) can create HFS volumes but without Mac Os 9 drives, so aren't bootables.
#3- In the Mac Os 9 system folder, the Mac Os ROM, System and Finder files are the ONLY files needed to boot (well, the Finder isn't really necessary to boot, in fact it can be changed for any other app), the remaining files and folders are optionals and can be fully wiped for troubleshooting procedures.
The System and ROM versions should be the same or later versions from the ones that the computer come with.
The Startup folder should be selected in the Startup Disk control panel:(http://www.macos.utah.edu/documentation/operating_systems/mac_os_9-1/whats_new/mainColumnParagraphs/0119/image/startup_disk_window.gif)
This settings can be temporary bypassed pressing the option key during startup:(http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/irf_guide_linzmayer_mac/elementLinks/fig107.jpg)