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Jubadub

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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2022, 03:59:51 PM »

Open Firmware is not that scary, though!

i prefer to keep typing commands to a minimum. :)

it is an acceptable tool where there is no other, say like booting back to macos after you were in morphos or sth., otherwise i avoid it where i can.

I had to change the boot arguments on my 1.5GHz mini, else it would always boot into OS X, or always waste my time and effort making me "alt-boot" in the boot picker. Doing this was a lifesaver (and made booting into OS X more difficult, as I have to fix the boot args, but that's easy, literally just remove 1 letter, and I almost never need to boot to OS X anyway).

You can also easily disable netboot. Doing so will save you 1-3 minutes each time you alt-boot (boot-picker is now basically instantaneous).

But yeah, I agree with you, we want to keep it to a minimum. Like you said sometimes, it's "meant to be easy", and the easier the better. :)
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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2022, 06:52:06 PM »

You can also easily disable netboot

now this sounds intriguing. could it maybe also be hacked into the ROM file?
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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2022, 12:08:02 AM »

You can also easily disable netboot
now this sounds intriguing. could it maybe also be hacked into the ROM file?

I think probably, but I also think there's no need to go that far.

It is on the Open Firmware wiki page I linked above. The command is:
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setenv skip-netboot? true
To set it back:
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setenv skip-netboot? false
To view the wiki adequately on OS 9, we can use FrogFind, like this.
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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2022, 11:40:40 AM »

I downloaded the System Disk Utilities image above but it seems to be corrupted. In particular, the System Disk Extension has no resource fork.

Would you please place files that you know are OK in a folder and stuff it and reupload. Thanks.

Also, regarding the NetBSD Boot Variables program mentioned above. Just do a google search for netbsd and bootvars

As asked, here is a stuffed version of the img using DropStuff 5.5
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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2022, 02:11:31 AM »

I downloaded the System Disk Utilities image above but it seems to be corrupted. In particular, the System Disk Extension has no resource fork.

Would you please place files that you know are OK in a folder and stuff it and reupload. Thanks.

Also, regarding the NetBSD Boot Variables program mentioned above. Just do a google search for netbsd and bootvars

As asked, here is a stuffed version of the img using DropStuff 5.5

Thanks, but it is still showing up like this when I mount the .img:



As opposed to this:



Looks like the problem happened at some point before creating the image itself. Maybe the files had been moved with something that doesn't respect resource forks? (I.e. non-HFS systems, or protocols like FTP.)
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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2022, 02:31:13 AM »

it did the same on my 6100 on which I created the img then when I copy one of the items off the img to the desktop, the icons appeared.  :o
That's why I think all forks are there. I think that the problem is principaly that the img's Desktop DB is not up-to-date.

can you try and tell me please ?
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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2022, 05:12:11 AM »

I think that the problem is principaly that the img's Desktop DB is not up-to-date.

can you try and tell me please ?

Oh, good thinking. Looks like you are right, as far as I can tell. In fact, this is also true for the original .img file you uploaded, the checksum (both forks) is identical between the two uploads, and the resources are also there with ResEdit (if I understood ResEdit right).

I assume this probably confused @ccmac, too.
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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2022, 12:27:29 PM »

the icon from the text form file should be available from the boot drive´s desktop (casue its from a BNDL), no?

the extension might have a -16455 type of icon only.

however, i have seen similar behaviour with some images, too, from system 7 to mavericks.
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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2022, 12:28:12 PM »

try applying "update desktop" to the mounted image from filebuddy and see what happens.
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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2024, 02:37:12 PM »

Sorry to unearth my own topic …

I've just find a web page with info on this "System Disk", on what it can do and on how to hack it:

https://www.netbsd.org/ports/macppc/SystemDisk-tutorial/of105patch.html

in this page, they are talking about version 2.3.1 which can be downloaded here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20020602025514/ftp://ftp.apple.com/developer/macosxserver/utilities/SystemDisk2.3.1.smi.bin

The main visual difference with my firstly uploaded version (2.6.2) is that in 2.3.1 smi you will find English, French, German and Japanese versions.
But I will try to take a bit of time to analyse content of each to find differences in behaviour.

Another link that contains more detailed info on how we can modify it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20020602025514/http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-macppc/2000/03/21/0002.html
« Last Edit: January 12, 2024, 02:54:50 PM by zefrenchtoon »
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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2024, 03:08:22 PM »

in this page, they are talking about version 2.3.1 which can be downloaded here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20020602025514/ftp://ftp.apple.com/developer/macosxserver/utilities/SystemDisk2.3.1.smi.bin

Somehow this link ends in nirvana :(
"Wayback Machine has not archived that URL".
How do you managed to get that image?
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Re: System Disk (Startup Disk "Special Edition" ?)
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2024, 03:14:30 PM »

Oh!

Sorry, the link was bad so I did a quick Google search with the filename and found this mirror:

https://www.staticky.com/mirrors/ftp.apple.com/developer/macosxserver/utilities/SystemDisk2.3.1.smi.bin

Also, I've uploaded them on the Garden too where Jatoba uploaded my first post:
https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/system-disk
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