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iMedia 100
« on: April 07, 2014, 09:49:22 AM »
Hello everyone,

I have some imedia 100 Video editing cards (PCI) I have a selection of Install CD's and even manuals!  I tried emailing Avid for a serial or latest/last version for me to use, they said they would help... but then they got bought out and now I get no reply at all!

so if anyone knows any compatible software or where I can find imedia 100 for OSx or Os9 That would be a great help!

many thanks
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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2014, 02:32:38 PM »
Hello,
my first post here I hope to be of any help :-)
I think you are meaning "Media100" hardware in the form of P6000 video editing PCI boards. In this case Avid has little to do with them, the guys to ask for support is the BorisFX company that some years ago acquired the Media100 asset and continued the development.
Unfortunately these boards are tied with a serial number that activate not only some functions but also the software version support so if you have a valid license to Media 100i version 6.0 you have to pay to can use later release like the latest v8 that allow the use under OSX. And they are not cheap upgrades... no matter the hardware is obsolete, if you want they allow you to use it again you have to squeeze out $$$
If you have spare board and no serial number tied to them you have nothing you can use. It as a pity that there aren't third party tools to allow at least the video and audio capture: the quality of this equipment is really excellent but this is a closed system, maybe the best way to have a working environment is try to purchase a pre-owned, already upgraded system WITH the serial number included!
The Media100i system is obsolete and largely surpassed by various AJA, BlackMagic and Matrox units that are mainly frame buffers and DSP for on-the-fly format conversion: the era of dedicated video workstation is ended...
I would be very HAPPY if someone will come out with a dedicated driver for the Media100 boards like the one for MiroMotion DC30+ for OSX, at least one could still use them as raw capture/playback device: not a glorious destiny but far better than put them in the trashcan.
Note that Media100 policy is even worse than AVID one: if you replace the Media100 board you have to obtain a whole new serial number while if you replace an AVID board (I am talking about old PowerMac based ABVB systems) you simply re-plug the ADB dongle to gain back the full functionality.

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2014, 09:17:12 AM »
I always wished to have one of this Media 100 PCI cards...
Anyway, I have the Media 100 software version 4.5 for Mac Os 9 and despite SnakeCoils advice ... I also have Media 100 dongle, which I've never even could try...
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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014, 08:34:07 AM »
The Media 100 thing still gets me angry, I was getting a ton of this stuff in G4s that were bought as auction lots back in New York back in the day... the trouble was that all that hard drives were pulled before the units were grouped together and cheaply liquidated.  It absolutely sucked to have all these cards and they could not be used in anyway... I held onto them for years and never was able to use any of them... 2 years ago I gave them to the scrap guy... nightmare :(

Here is a guy on ebay.... "Pulled form working Studio"... yeah, right... lol

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Media-100-XR-Video-Editing-Capture-Card-P6000-XR-DVBK-1-A-2-PCI-cards-/291113550146?_trksid=p2054897.l4275

Think they did broadcast quality MPEG2 conversion on the fly... but I am no expert on these.... my old box had at least 25 full length cards that had all sorts of option cards... in today's world, the entire box could probably be replaced by a single modern video encode/decode chipset

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2014, 02:05:10 PM »
Exactly. You can find many auctions on eBay with Media100 boards for sale but without its own serial number they are useless, the top system was the XR version with the highest bandwidth in capture and a separate board for realtime FX, but again the software is the less important part, the serial number is, because it activates the card and the purchased options.
I own a working Media100 XS system, a middle range model, equipped with Sony firewire decoder card and a valid 6.0 license, I admit I have only a collector's interest in them so I really never used for produce anything.
I also own an AVID ABVB system with 3D FX board (Elite license, almost all the top available options are activated) that was dismissed from a local broadcast TV station and I purchased it for a 150 euros complete with SCSI drives, manuals, original box and cables and most important, the ADB dongle to activate the license: without it the only working part would be the PowerMac 9600 that host the cards. The various board inside are connected together with a flat cable that completely bypass the slow PCI bus and generates so much heat that a large dedicated fan is put by AVID above the cards to cool them.
I believe at the time the whole system would cost over $25.000 but the target was the broadcast world, while the Media100 was more open to semipro and advanced users too.
A thing to keep in mind when you deal with broadcast equipment is that a machine like that is all but user friendly: the typical user is a professional with a specific knowledge of broadcast world and without a basis it can be tricky to understand how things are done or what steps are needed to do a specific action. I found for example the AVID environment really strange for a newbie like me while the Media100 was much more intuitive, however both workstation have been purchased for collection purposes only, I did not spent much time in trying to do something useful on them :-)
When I compare that heavy and costly equipment with modern video workstation I see an abyss of differences: the PowerMacs were almost the backbone that host a dedicated boardset, they provided only the graphical interface for the operator and a minimal I/O to drive the workflow in a direction instead of another but all the hard work were done by the AVID and Media100 boards, the most powerful PowerMac available at the time would not nearly capable of doing alone a demanding task like realtime video editing.
During the time the processing power of CPU (now assisted by GPU too) is increased so much that a video stream can be handled and manipulated without problems from a middle-class system, only an I/O box is needed but there's a trick... you can do realtime until you are editing an uncompressed stream, if a particular format is needed in input or output the power of CPU collapse because compressed formats are really an intensive task so if you don't want to loose the performance you must have a board that do all the dirty work of compressing/decompressing for you and this is the reason because the professional video boards are not simply a bunch of ADC and DAC but integrates also DSP and local memory, leaving the computer CPU free to apply the effects and doing a snappier workflow.
Another thing I have noticed during the time is that dedicated systems are progressively disappeared: while in the past every boardset had its own dedicated editing software and projects were not interchangeable between various platforms, now we have a wider choice of many hardware I/O boards that can be driven by different systems.
The Media100 Suite and Apple Final Cut for example can operate with many hardware brands without any license restrictions, you can also choose to have different suites on the same computer that uses the same board. We now have a freedom of choice as never happened in the past and a superb quality at affordable prices, the software rules and hardware is running faster and faster to satisfy its wills, this reminds me Microsoft, I don't know why... :-)


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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2015, 08:57:50 AM »
btw if you ever buy a system like that first thing you should do is scan that hard drive and try to restore what you can and just maybe you get the needed pref files to have that m100 system running.
borisfx bought all of it and they might even be able to help you out. after all the serials are on that board. giving up is easy. i called quiet a few companys in the past to get going with some outdated stuff

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2019, 03:48:43 AM »
Hi there, I just got my hands on a quicksilver 833mhz Mac and it came with this.  I haven't tested it or seen if any of the software is installed but I was just curious of anyone knows about this.  I can't find any pictures on the internet about this device..  the interface alone is fairly straight forward.  i see it's a video / audio capture / playback device but it's the massive card inside that makes me wonder about other abilities it might have.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t61ohy8wy7ipdvo/IMG_1191.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mcqw6hjqa2325uw/IMG_1197.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u6r4ydbvs6st8xu/IMG_1220.JPG?dl=0

Is it an official M100 product or something third party?  it makes me think of the Video Toaster back in my early Amiga days, not that I had anything like this (video hardware was totally out of my price range back then)

I'm going to hook it all up soon to see if I can get it to work.  I have CDs and s/ns i believe for the software

It also came with two external SCSI-2 Hard drive enclosures (each with 2 HDs in them). 

Thanks,
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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2019, 06:51:41 AM »
So a quick update on mine.. maybe a bit of a unicorn..  I have this QS I bought.  took that and made it a dedicated OS9 box for music as intended and all is well..     but i took the card and interface over to my old(er) sawtooth.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t61ohy8wy7ipdvo/IMG_1191.JPG?dl=0

I was able to do an install if (don't yell at me) OSX Tiger 10.4 on it so I could install the CDs it came with..   it was close because the only valid s/n I have was for 8.1.1 and it wouldn't work with the initial install disks.. but I had the update and thankfully the update could install without the software being activated first and once patched up it accepted the S/N

So I have that working..  now I'm trying to find some devices to hook up to it to test and be sure the card is in fact working with the interface..   one of the pins was kinda bent but i think i managed to line it up successfully to slide in and all should be well..  we'll see.

If anyone has any of those option cards around that they can't use, I'd love to see if i could get this board maxed out.  :)

https://www.dropbox.com/preview/public/pictures/OS9/IMG_1220.JPG?dl=0


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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2019, 09:12:39 AM »
It accepted the SN because the SN has to be regenerated for every Version/Update/Upgrade aka Hardware bound. This SN will only work with that Version and that Hardware.

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2019, 10:41:36 AM »
yes which i am picking up is tragically rare.. lots of used hardware separated from their s/n's.  at this point i'd love to just try to get the thing maxed out with any optional cards it could support. 

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2019, 10:43:25 AM »
Turning it into a XR System (the highest back then) would render your SN useless again.

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2019, 10:52:59 AM »
what is an XR system? 

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2019, 11:08:05 AM »
They had Levels if you wanna call it that way. From what you can call a Lowend range to very Highend range. Mine is a XR the highest system configuration you could buy for money. I have SDI available and RealtimeFX and uncompressed but that required a extra board.

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2019, 03:44:56 PM »
i see so having the extra boards requires a new license?  I figured as long as the core card matches up.. the optional attachments would just be that.. present or not, but obviously you know the real deal..   my main thing now is to get video registering..  i only have s-vhs connectoin.. waiting for those prosumer composite cables to come in..  my vhs has composite too so i actually need to go buy 4 more

Do you know if composite will show up if i only have 2/3 cables?   obviously with a color missing..  IIRC i remember that one color was required to get a basic signal and then the other two could be added to complete the color spectrum.. 

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2019, 03:51:41 PM »
composite is not ideal its component with the 3 separate signals. Dependig on what colors you use you get a mixture of blue and red or green and blue and such you get the idea.

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2019, 04:16:35 PM »
yea i just only ordered two BNS cables so i'm short a few to do properly component is all.. just making sure i don't NEED them to get signal..

I don't have a monitor hooked up (no BNA or s-vhs in capable hardware)..  if i read something you said before.. are you saying that if the system doesn't detect a monitor it won't show anything on the screen?

I was thinking i could just hook my vhs/dvd player into the s-vhs cable port..  and see the video show up on the source screen in the software without any kind of monitor hooked up.   I have a tv i can hook up (composite support, not component unfortunately) and will when the BNS to RCA cables show up.

I'll order more BNS to RCA cables once i can at least see that the unit can capture any video. 

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2019, 04:20:32 PM »
you should see a preview if you selected the right source. but a dvd video will result in a green screen because of the macrovision if it is a original disc. same goes for vhs tapes if they arent home recorded. component only needs bnc adapter not really another cable.




something like this


https://www.zoro.com/monoprice-cable-adapter-bnc-m-to-rca-f-4121/i/G0308585/feature-product?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6sCi4M6U4gIVT4ezCh1omQnKEAYYCCABEgKK5fD_BwE




also make sure it is not set to HD Component because you wont be able to capture or preview the Video at all

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2019, 04:35:19 PM »
yea i was doing dvd from a dvd/s-vhs and it worked... letterbox.. no green.. so that's good. 

yea that would be a better device to buy.. i bought cables that have both ends. but yea i think i'll order a bunch of those and probably spend about the same money..  i have plenty of RCA to RCA cables. 

really cool..  i am a bit bummed i don't have realtime effects options and such.. i would like to try and make some music videos with this hardware. 

Do you know if there is any way i could find a version of Media 100 that would work under OS9 with my 8.2.2 license?  I'm imagining no.. that given how specific the version was and this high a version it probably locks me into using OSX.. 

For now, I'm using two IDE drives..  both internal to the sawtooth...  I can bring in the SCSI 2 setup, but at least for 15 second clips it appeared to record ok.  I'd like to not have to use the SCSI 2 stuff if I could avoid it.. but i will if it really will make a difference in performance / reliability..   i was recording at 700x500 (around there) in my testing.

Thanks,
Caleb

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2019, 04:41:27 PM »
depending on the length i would advise going for some fast raid system, whatever you can come up with. editing of a slow drive is a matter of patience but recording and keeping a good quality level comparable to the source depends on a fast raid. back then they used scsi because you just couldnt beat it in speed but when it comes to the noise level i understand. the version you looking for is 7 for os9 and represents the last os9 version. there should be a way to get a serial but i need to check my source first so dont get excited just yet.

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2019, 04:43:39 PM »
just ordered 8 of those adapters..  done..  now we wait.. heh

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2019, 04:52:20 PM »
i had to order a handful as well. since pretty much all my old recording cards work with sdi or component and composite in bnc form.


here is what i used for os9 in avid and media 100 aswell as pinnacle


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-ProLine-AG-DS850P-S-VHS-Recorder-Editor/352600428293?hash=item52189f8f05:g:DqgAAOSwxXJcbx17
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-AG-DS850P-S-VHS-Recorder-Editor/173877162469?hash=item287be2f1e5:g:IvUAAOSwJRFcuLPv




similar to this one, have a look at the connections. These are the pro line decks with rs-422 rs232 for remote control frame accurate.

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2019, 10:17:38 PM »
yea when I bought this unit it came with x2 16gb external SCSI2 hard drives.  They work, but loud..  I wondered if getting a second internal SSD might be sufficient.  I know it's not ideal but between the storage, compactness and overall quiet, it would be fine. 

That VHS deck looks sick though.  My analog senses and interest in making videos that are deliberately old looking makes me want to go this route.  I have a basic VHS / DVD combo that can record but it's nothing like this unit with frame by frame advancing and such.  However I'm still just getting my OS9 music studio optimized right now so video is taking a backseat.  The big thing was making sure it works fully and it does..   I still have to figure out a few things with Media 100 like how to do cross fades but I'll come back to it when it's time to really make videos. 

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2020, 09:22:08 PM »
Status update?
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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2020, 06:51:27 AM »
Well I got Media 100 working on my Sawtooth machine running Tiger.  I couldn't figure out how to do transitions, but i could do basic editing.. arranging clips and such..   

What I need to do is ask the M100 folks if they'd be willing to help me generate a s/n for an older version of M100 to work with the hardware so I can have the card be in my quicksilver machine..   the s/n I have that matches the hardware i have is OSX only.. 

Question though, how hard is it actually to dual boot with OS9 and tiger?  This is an alternative approach, but I'm not sure how involved it is, or if it means I have to blow out my entire mac drive to do it

I haven't purchased any nicer VHS player either.  Been busy with music more than video so it's overall been on hold, but not forgotten.   I don't have room to keep the G4 Sawtooth and Quicksilver machines up and running so really I'd like to have everything in one box..   

The more I think about it, the more I probably should explore dual booting..

or what about this?

If I got my hands on another SSD drive and put it in my IDE chain..  would this be easier / less destructive?  I would imagine taking the 2nd SSD drive and simply installing tiger from scratch on that drive keeping the main SSD untouched..  then selecting to boot from one or the other.  Is that possible?

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2020, 09:07:54 AM »
The very least amount of issues would be to dedicate 1 drive per OS, and in OS X turn spotlight off regarding the OS9 Drive, search the forum because we have discussed the "Dual Boot" thing Ad nauseam

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2020, 09:41:00 AM »
ok yea i can do that.  definitely understood other places have addressed this, but great to know that having dual drives (separate) is actually the best way and my personal preference too as i really didn't want to have to format / tinker with boot stuff any more than necessary. 

what's the spotlight off thing.  why would that matter and is this something likely addressed in said threads as well in terms of how too do it? 

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2020, 11:42:28 AM »
  why would that matter and is this something likely addressed in said threads as well in terms of how too do it?

In X... open system Preferences... select 'Spotlight'.... click 'privacy' tab... drag OS 9 drive/s into the list. That will stop that nosey spotlight from snooping around in your OS 9 drives where it doesn't belong! ;D

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2020, 12:32:22 PM »
fantastic! :)    Now to find a thread on how to dual boot..  hasn't been forthcoming..  "dual boot" and a few other variations hasn't yielded anything specific. 

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2020, 03:26:24 AM »
Hey guys a quick update (especially for diehard if he still has any of this hardware) on this.  I joined the Media 100 group on facebook and there are people in there who I believe can and are willing to generate new s/n based on hardware.  they have the software/means to get that.  the s/n is on each card so you just take that number and provide it and they can get you a new number. 

I had a S/N so I didn't need that BUT when i got the QS it only came with OSX version of media 100..  but my invoice with the computer had an OS9 s/n on it too..  someone had a link i could download and install on my (now OS9) quicksilver and it works great.

The folks on that group on FB are fairly active and posting stuff, more modern questions / discussions of course, but they seem to be a lot of guys who have a long history with the hardware/software and seem to be genuinely cool to help get these old suckers working again. 

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2020, 03:42:42 PM »

i am always using the same drive - but differernt partitions - and i am always using an extra copy of OS9 as classic enviroment. and spotlight is off for all drives anway, as well as journalling.

however, when you use different drives, you can always be sure that the drive is not the case when some kind of problem appears, so it is the most safe path of all.
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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2020, 08:44:08 PM »
I see there were posts in this thread a few months ago so I thought I'd respond here rather than post a new topic. To make a long story short, I edited on a Media 100 system in 1998 and loved it and always want to own my own system. Due to Covid-19, I have extra time on my hands and got a G4 MDD going that was in my garage. Thought it might be fun to see if I could get a Media 100 system running on it, so I purchased a P6000 PCI card, ICE card and the original IDE hard drive from a guy on eBay who pulled it from a "working" G4 system used by a news broadcast company. He also sent me the serial number for the Media100i OS X and OS 9 versions that were on the hard drive. When I boot into my own HD I see the volumes on the old HD with the Media 100 systems.

In theory, should I be able to get this to run on my machine? Or do I need an additional hardware dongle or something with the key? I installed everything and it hangs when I try to boot to the old drive (with 10.2.6). Don't know if it's due to a conflict of some sort or something else. Disk Warrior fixed a bad volume wrapper on the drive. Not sure I want to invest too much more time troubleshooting if it's a lost cause to begin with.

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2020, 05:20:51 AM »
sounds like you have everything you need for it to work.  i've managed to even (after a bit of unrelated tribulation) to dual boot Leopard / OS9 on my Quicksilver and installed 7.x on OS9 and 8.x on OSX

So it sounds right.  Tell me this.  do you have this trouble when the P6000 card is not installed?  make sure you remove all other cards..  another lesson i learned when doing various rebuilding..   see if the issue happens if you boot without it.  It might also be worth trying something newer than 10.2.6 unless you have other older software that needs it.  I'd suggest Tiger as it's pretty easy to find and being a bit more "mature" as an OSX option. 

Leopard was a pain in the butt, but after some wrasselin' with it i got it to behave.

So yea first just make sure the drive boots without hardware to see if it's the card or something else.. then next step might be to do a clean install asi t soundsl ike the 10.2 you have might be old and who knows what ghosts might be in it still..   

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2020, 08:16:03 AM »
Thanks for the reply. That's good to know that it *should* work with everything I have. I will try pulling the cards to see if that 10.2.6 volume boots.

The guy who sold it to me said he would include the original hard drive, but I think he must have included a cloned copy because it's only 30GB and has four partitions on it; a 10.2.6 volume with Media100i that is ~7GB, an OS9 partition with Media100xr that is 7GB, and two "storage partitions" that are each 7 GB. I can't imagine this was the original drive with two 7 GB "storage" volumes. My version of MDD is FW800 and doesn't boot OS9, unfortunately, or I'd run the xr version. Also read it doesn't work in Classic mode due to the card drivers not loading or something.

Wondering if I can copy over all the Media100i files on the 10.2.6 volume to my existing Tiger volume to get the card drivers, etc.? There is an install log on the 10.2.6 volume that shows all the files that were installed many moons ago and their locations.

Also wondering if this version of Media100i will have problems with a "newer" version of OS X (10.4.x). Maybe that's why they never upgraded the OS from Jaguar? I've seen a few posts in forums about problems people had when they upgraded back in the day, especially with versions of QT, that broke their version of Media100 on OS X. Lots of variables to work with! :-)

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2020, 09:16:38 AM »
yea sounds like you're on the right path.  I haven't worked deeply yet with M100 software yet.  I know the basics under OSX.  have done less with the OS9 version.  So not sure about things like quicktime in application.   However, it felt like it should all work nicely and that was with Leopard..  see how far you get with 10.2 but the good news is that there are images for ALL of the OSX versions out there and you may be better off just starting clean. 

i got the basics down like doing basic cross fades and such with m100, but i really want to find out more about effects options and such as i'm really trying to see what i can do making my videos feel dated..  not just use old tools to make modern looking stuff..   hoping also maybe early after effects i have (forget which version) might be an option to explore.. 

I have a vhs camcorder i've been capturing footage with for a few weeks now on various outings with the family.. but i'll be digitizing this footage with the P6000/breakout box and try to produce music videos with it.  would love to figure out things like alpha channels and importing 3d renderings from Lightwave 5 into it..  all that jazz..  titling.. 

mind you my real dream would be to have a video toaster setup but i'm not holding my breath for that..   but yea this demo offers a lot of what i'd like to achieve..  and while i know that's 1991.. so hardware from 1999 is going to probably be too new to get those older effects..  i'm still hoping i can at least flirt with it..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X9alSsQLc8&t

isn't it funny though to watch videos on youtube and be like "but it really did look better live on a CRT".. there is a warmth that they had.. in spite of the low resolution.. the 60hz / interlace did something to the graphics..   same with an Amiga demo.. if you watch a video on youtube of the animation.. it loses something in translation..  it's not always about the pixels.   

You sound seasoned so maybe you know this already, but my understanding is that the MDD with FW800 can run OS9 but it take a special version of OS9 or some patch effectively making your FW800 work like w FW400 speed (i think that was the only drawback) but I haven't done this first hand. 

this was a music video made with the video toaster heavily relying on lightwave, but the blending of video / 3d was really cool..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mH8PaWbi1E

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2020, 10:24:58 AM »
Are there images for installs of Media 100i? That's what I'd like to do, is find a clean install of Media100i and use the software key I got as part of the package I bought (if that's possible). I've done a few cursory Internet searches and came up empty. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places. I even went back in time on the Media 100 website and found and old ftp address where they had legacy versions posted but it wasn't archived, unfortunately.

I did know about that patch you can use to get OS 9 working on a MD FW 800, but didn't want to lose the throughput of the firewire 800. If I can get Media100 to run under OS X, that will be fine for now.

Mostly, this little project is for nostalgic purposes. I cut my teeth on a Media 100 system and to this day I remember liking it more than FCP and Premiere I used during the 2000s. I have FCP 5 installed on my MDD and have been editing old footage of family events and the time it takes to render things is ridiculous. Editing on a 9600 using Media 100 was so much better.

I use FCP currently for work on an up-to-date Macbook Pro and it flies, but there's something comforting about the thought of of going back and experiencing how things were. I guess it's similar to people who still like to tinker and drive old vintage cars.

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2020, 11:02:45 AM »
yea i'm not aware of any images like that.  i don't think it's going to come to that anyway.  just make sure the s/n is for THAT card as you probably know, the s/n for these for software were custom to the card present, not just any card with any license.  There is an Media 100 group on facebook I'm on with pretty often.  Check it out.  These are pros mostly using the current generation software, but many of them go way back and know the old school stuff too. 

Sounds like we'll wait and see, but yea first things first be sure the system loads without the card and rule out any issues there, then roll on to adding the P6000 and hopefully it still checks out.  I have the 7 and 8 software in a zip if you need to do a fresh install I can share as well.   if you do opt to go with a clean wipe/install.  You just need to provide the s/n for that card. 

I was looking at that same ebay listing you likely bought with the extra card.  I'm kinda hoping to get my hands on the 2nd card as well just to know this baby is maxed out with that bridge card.  I'm still sketchy on what the extra card does.  I was left with the impression that it added cpu muscle but really it was muscle for older pre G series CPUs.. where G3s, G4s and G5s basically brought enough muscle to make those cards not useful?   Not sure. 

I was thinking they might help offer more real time effects / transitions for previewing. 

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2020, 02:13:34 PM »
I'm not sure if that ICE card will do much for Media100. I saw something that it might help with rendering of some M100 special add on effects, but it is more for After Effects rendering and some 3D programs, I think.

It's a monster card, though. Could hardly fit it into the case. Sure would be nice if Mac OS could take advantage of all that extra horsepower. The RAM on that G4 is maxed out at 2GB which is nothing compared to today's speeds.

I requested to join that FB, waiting on approval. I might take you up on that zipped version of 8. Based on what you're saying, I guess a fresh install will work since I have the serial number tied to the cards and don't need a physical dongle key.

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2020, 07:55:54 AM »
Well, that was frustrating. Pulled both cards and booted to the 10.2.6 volume without any problems. Decided to put in just the P6000 card to see if that is the one providing problems, and booted right up again to 10.2.6 without any problems. Yay! Figured I was in the clear! I launched Media 100i (v. 8.1) and all was well. So, like a dummy I started looking at some of the other stuff on the hard drive and found the Media100i installer file, so I thought, hey, why not just do a clean install on my Tiger volume? Rebooted and installed on Tiger, looked good (didn't ask for a system key during install which I wondered about) and said the computer needed to do a restart to finish. Voila, rebooted to a kernel panic. Removed the card, rebooted, same thing. Kernel panic. Won't boot the 10.2.6 drive either, even without any of the cards. So, I don't know what's going on. I was able to boot to a utility CD. Pulled all the hard drives, shut everything down, and stewed for the rest of the night. I have a different hard drive I'm going to install later today with Panther just to see if it will boot. Wondering if the P6000 card kicked off something that fried some of my RAM. It made a weird cranking noise after rebooting after the install and when I removed the card it was HOT, like really hot.

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2020, 11:48:07 AM »
man yea you went  through it in a short amount of time..  i was kinda like that with my attempts to dual boot with two separate ssds, and then other junk like bad ram.. so yea just keep on trouble shooting.  maybe the old ram was going bad anyway.. could just be age..  fortunately you can find replacement ram for that era stuff pretty cheap.. and if you have 2gb you have multiple sticks to test with till you rule out the bad ones.

Fortunately it seems that OSX install DVDs do a (crappy) memory check in that it will just crash when installing and not tell you why, but basically if it crashes, it's ram most likely..  i fought with this for awhile before realizing that OS9 was forgiving but it turned out not one, but two of my three sticks (quicksilver has 3 ram slots) were defective but i replaced them both for $20.. and have 1.5gb (max).. 

Keep at it.  You'll have it live before you know it.   Also for a modest investment, consider getting a smaller SSD drive and an IDE to SATA adapter for like $6 (there are nicer ones if you need multiple drives, but if one is enough (it should be) you can 1. eliminate some noise 2. save on PSU strain compared to spinners 3. be much more reliable and newer than 15+ year old hard drives.   

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Re: iMedia 100
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2020, 03:34:52 PM »
Back to where I was. Booted up just fine from my 10.3 disk so it wasn't hardware, luckily. Trashed all the Media 100 install files on the Tiger volume and it booted just fine. I don't think the M100 version (8.1) is compatible with 10.4.

I need to do some more research. I think Media 100 came out with a software only version around the same time as Tiger, so the only true way to make use of the P6000 card (and probably the ICE card) is to run an older version of OS X, or run it under OS 9.

UPDATE: 8.2.3 runs under Tiger, not sure how to get my hands on that version though
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