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Re: Downgrade firmware of FW800 for OS9 comp.
« Reply #300 on: September 17, 2015, 12:32:53 PM »
awesome news  -afro-

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Re: Downgrade firmware of FW800 for OS9 comp.
« Reply #301 on: September 17, 2015, 12:39:01 PM »
somebody at Apple is wondering who the hell is registering OS 9???  ;D
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Re: Downgrade firmware of FW800 for OS9 comp.
« Reply #302 on: September 17, 2015, 06:15:19 PM »
somebody at Apple is wondering who the hell is registering OS 9???  ;D

We should get all the members to register Mac OS 9 on the same day, then call tech support and ask when 9.2.3 is being released

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Re: Downgrade firmware of FW800 for OS9 comp.
« Reply #303 on: October 23, 2016, 03:05:02 PM »
sorry to revive this thread, but has anyone tried an aluminium powerbook 12 inch 1.5 ghz? would that also work? or other aluminium powerbooks with 1.5 ghz or higher cpu speed...
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Re: Downgrade firmware of FW800 for OS9 comp.
« Reply #304 on: November 13, 2016, 12:59:08 AM »
Depends on the model lokki. Some of them have hardware-specific issues that a couple of ThinkClassic guys are slowly working through. One of the biggest issues is that mobile video card drivers were never written to run in os9 for late-G4 laptops.

Video is the issue for the 12" 1.5GHz. It's running a 64 MB GeForce FX Go5200 for a video card, which was never used in an OS9-compatible laptop. So unless someone can patchwork together video extensions from bits and pieces of OSX drivers, it would have to run video off of the CPU and it would be essentially worthless.

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Re: Downgrade firmware of FW800 for OS9 comp.
« Reply #305 on: July 17, 2017, 08:21:27 AM »
Thanks so much for this, it works and made my day.

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Re: Downgrade firmware of FW800 for OS9 comp.
« Reply #306 on: November 22, 2017, 11:20:18 PM »
sorry to revive this thread, but has anyone tried an aluminium powerbook 12 inch 1.5 ghz? would that also work? or other aluminium powerbooks with 1.5 ghz or higher cpu speed...

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Re: Downgrade firmware of FW800 for OS9 comp.
« Reply #307 on: November 24, 2017, 11:22:15 AM »
Kinda has a lot going against it, beside the Bluetooth 2.0, AirPort Extreme and USB 2 being a total no-go, I doubt the "GeForce FX Go5200" would emulate the "NVIDIA GeForce4 440" and load the driver for acceleration, but please give it a try.

Also, as we have discussed the PowerPC 7447A processor is possible under OS9, but needs OF modifications, so you may need a few OF commands before you can even try our "Unsupported OS 9 Install"

I am guessing overall, it will have many "deal breaker" items, like No USB, No WiFI, No Ethernet, and Low res graphics :(

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Re: Downgrade firmware of FW800 for OS9 comp.
« Reply #308 on: November 24, 2017, 11:41:32 AM »
my mistake i thought i was referring to the same model of laptop that u posted about buying 3 of on another thread
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Re: Downgrade firmware of FW800 for OS9 comp.
« Reply #309 on: November 29, 2017, 10:20:25 AM »

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Re: Downgrade firmware of FW800 for OS9 comp.
« Reply #310 on: November 29, 2017, 01:30:14 PM »

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #311 on: April 21, 2018, 11:37:44 PM »
thank you all who made this possible,

my machine is now up and running with OS9 and OSX 10.5.8.

re: installing the OS9 drivers, mission impossible from the FW 800 itself, not as I read here OS dependent but machine dependent.

I used target mode from one that could, a MDD dual 867, anybody else doing this should add carbon lib to the extensions folder,

a requirement for the Logic 6.4 installer, which in my case  - was what this was all about.

note the file Logic_v6.sea.bin downloaded from here appears to be corrupted.

Boots into 0S9 with option key on start up, not available in OSX 10.5.8 system preferences Start Disc.

video ATI Radeon 9000 Pro - DVI output res is not quite right (1440 x 900 60 Hz is the best option)
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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #312 on: April 22, 2018, 09:52:45 AM »
re: installing the OS9 drivers, mission impossible from the FW 800 itself, not as I read here OS dependent but machine dependent.

yep it is the machine that prevents that OS9 or OSX can write the OS9 driver to the HD in a regular fashion.

but those who do not want to use the ASR method from this forum can also just turn over the HDs to another computer, which allows to write the drivers, then move them back again. (well, it is work, but compared to a mini it is doable for more people...)

otoh, yesterday i was thinking one should also make a little disk image for mirroring the driver to an empty disk. just as the MacOS9Lives fw 800 CD, but without the operating system installer.

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video ATI Radeon 9000 Pro - DVI output res is not quite right (1440 x 900 60 Hz is the best option)

it should work. did it under OSX?
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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #313 on: April 22, 2018, 03:45:41 PM »

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video ATI Radeon 9000 Pro - DVI output res is not quite right (1440 x 900 60 Hz is the best option)

it should work. did it under OSX?
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yes , in OSX perfect there are different res options available.

wow !! re: above, remove the drive from a Mac mini to install the OS9 drivers is more work than the machine is worth.

this morning added the ADAT edit card from the PPC 7600 to the MDD FW800 leaving the Korg 1212 in place solo, 8 channel lightpipe in all machines now  - not in the mini that stays at OSX 10.4.11 and at the moment completely redundant. Waiting for a new purpose in life,

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #314 on: April 23, 2018, 02:25:10 AM »

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video ATI Radeon 9000 Pro - DVI output res is not quite right (1440 x 900 60 Hz is the best option)

it should work. did it under OSX?

yes , in OSX perfect there are different res options available.

wow !! re: above, remove the drive from a Mac mini to install the OS9 drivers is more work than the machine is worth.

this morning added the ADAT edit card from the PPC 7600 to the MDD FW800 leaving the Korg 1212 in place solo, 8 channel lightpipe in all machines now  - not in the mini that stays at OSX 10.4.11 and at the moment completely redundant. Waiting for a new purpose in life,
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You can write the OS 9 drivers to a disk when formating from the Terminal in OS X, even when booted from the Install DVD on a Mac that doesn't support OS 9.

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diskutil  partitionDisk  /dev/disk1 1 OS9Drivers  HFS+  MacHD 0b
Be careful with /dev/disk1, you'll want to run:

diskutil list

To see a list of disks installed in the system and adjust the command to partition the disk you want. The 0b will use the entire disk, there should be a way to adjust the command to create more that one partition.

If you want a partition for OS 9, and one for OS X, it would be something like:

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diskutil partitionDisk /dev/disk1 2 OS9Drivers HFS+ MacHD 4000M JHFS+ OSXHD R
This would create 2 partitions, one name MacHD formated HFS+ that is 4000 Megabytes, and one names OSXHD formated JHFS+ that would use the remainder of the disk.

Just adjust the size in megabytes you want for you OS 9 partition, and insure you are partitioning the correct disk( /dev/diskx ).

 

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #315 on: April 23, 2018, 03:21:23 AM »


You can write the OS 9 drivers to a disk when formating from the Terminal in OS X, even when booted from the Install DVD on a Mac that doesn't support OS 9.

Code: [Select]
diskutil  partitionDisk  /dev/disk1 1 OS9Drivers  HFS+  MacHD 0b
Be careful with /dev/disk1, you'll want to run:

diskutil list

To see a list of disks installed in the system and adjust the command to partition the disk you want. The 0b will use the entire disk, there should be a way to adjust the command to create more that one partition.

If you want a partition for OS 9, and one for OS X, it would be something like:

Code: [Select]
diskutil partitionDisk /dev/disk1 2 OS9Drivers HFS+ MacHD 4000M JHFS+ OSXHD R
This would create 2 partitions, one name MacHD formated HFS+ that is 4000 Megabytes, and one names OSXHD formated JHFS+ that would use the remainder of the disk.

Just adjust the size in megabytes you want for you OS 9 partition, and insure you are partitioning the correct disk( /dev/diskx ).
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thank you,

wow you guys are good.

I will now correct the "mission impossible" statement from above, to "possible if you know how".

Good to know if I have to do it again ;)

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #316 on: April 23, 2018, 04:53:20 PM »
i wasnt aware that you can launch the terminal app from the install discs.

seems a good alterenative to keep in mind.

yet a bit dangerous for those who expect a warning/confirmation dialog before erasing a HD :)
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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #317 on: April 23, 2018, 10:06:15 PM »
now we have it, OSX install discs are required to use Terminal, so while you are it, on for example the mac mini solution (which is a real pain to get the drive out and do it elsewhere).

upgrade the existing OS to 10.5, Time machine the contents of the drive to a safe place, and then zap it as above with Terminal to install the OS9 driver

ditto for FW800, and all other none Native OS9 G4 machines.

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #318 on: April 24, 2018, 04:31:56 AM »
now we have it, OSX install discs are required to use Terminal, so while you are it, on for example the mac mini solution (which is a real pain to get the drive out and do it elsewhere).

upgrade the existing OS to 10.5, Time machine the contents of the drive to a safe place, and then zap it as above with Terminal to install the OS9 driver

ditto for FW800, and all other none Native OS9 G4 machines.

You can always use Firewire Target Disk Mode if you have another Mac with FW.

You know hold "T" at startup.

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #319 on: April 24, 2018, 08:04:47 AM »
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You can always use Firewire Target Disk Mode if you have another Mac with FW.

You know hold "T" at startup.

Yes, that has always been my preferred method as seen here:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,3912.0.html

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #320 on: April 24, 2018, 08:07:31 PM »
you can only boot from firewire if there is a another computer within your reach.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #321 on: April 25, 2018, 12:19:10 PM »
you can only boot from firewire if there is a another computer within your reach.
Are you implying that we have accepted a member that owns ONLY 1 Mac ?!

This upsets me greatly...hehe

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #322 on: April 25, 2018, 02:32:09 PM »
you can only boot from firewire if there is a another computer within your reach.
Are you implying that we have accepted a member that owns ONLY 1 Mac ?!

This upsets me greatly...hehe

I don't think I can run a FW cable that far, seem to recall there being a limit to the length of a 1394 cable.

Tho I think I could setup an ad-hoc wireless network for quite some ways. :P

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #323 on: April 26, 2018, 06:37:10 AM »
Are you implying that we have accepted a member that owns ONLY 1 Mac ?!

This upsets me greatly...hehe

no, i was more thinking about the members which have so many macs in their factory hall that afirewire cable might not be long enough.

joke aside, plugging cables can be a real pain depending on the situation. thee more minis you have, the more you will feel the need to build a custom case, and even in my living room there is so much gear on my tables that all my cables are led behind it.
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"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
- DieHard, random forum troll at macos9lives.com

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #324 on: April 26, 2018, 08:48:50 AM »
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joke aside, plugging cables can be a real pain depending on the situation. thee more minis you have, the more you will feel the need to build a custom case, and even in my living room there is so much gear on my tables that all my cables are led behind it.
Yeah, every room, garage, work, home... there is no escape from the plethora of "stuff" we have accumulated. Old macs never die, they just wait on shelves, to be loved once more.

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #325 on: April 26, 2018, 06:52:54 PM »
Are you implying that we have accepted a member that owns ONLY 1 Mac ?!

This upsets me greatly...hehe

no, i was more thinking about the members which have so many macs in their factory hall that afirewire cable might not be long enough.

joke aside, plugging cables can be a real pain depending on the situation. thee more minis you have, the more you will feel the need to build a custom case, and even in my living room there is so much gear on my tables that all my cables are led behind it.

My den looks like the storage room at a computer repair store. Tho I don't take tech in my bedroom, not ever a phone or a clock, just a some detector and a light.

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #326 on: April 30, 2018, 04:33:42 PM »
i wonder what kind of "detector" you have in your bedroom but maybe it is not my business.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #327 on: April 30, 2018, 06:33:24 PM »
Just guessing "some detector" = "smoke detector"

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Re: Mac Os 9 booting on: G4 Tower MDD FW800 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #328 on: May 01, 2018, 11:21:07 AM »
iWarn
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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