Request: Camel Audio Cameleon 5000

[MacTron]

Camel Audio Cameleon 5000 VSTi for mac Os 9.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr04/articles/cameleon5000.htm

Please, someone have this?
Thank You in advance.

[supernova777]

http://www.camelaudio.com/cameleon5000.php

[supernova777]

http://web.archive.org/web/20040520123201/http://www.camelaudio.com/

the demo can be downloaded here!

the download is slow because the web.archive.org servers are slowwww
i will just attach it to this post
im also downloading a copy of this for mac os x...! but its too bit to attach (78mb)
i can upload to my userdir or whatever tho

ok the downloads not working but
http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/software/other/auction-56942960.htm
this page is some sort of list from a futuremusic mag isuee
FutureMusic FM165 DVD-ROM
^ this disc has the working cameleon 5000 demo for mac os

operation manual:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100215073206/http://www.camelaudio.com/Cameleon5000Manual.pdf

[supernova777]

http://www.kvraudio.com/news/camel_audio_cameleon_5000_demo_available_1339

 The demo restrictions are:

    Stops producing sound after 10 minutes.
    One second of silence every 15 seconds.
    Save disabled.

some more demos on this page:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050306090211/http://www.camelaudio.com/cameleon5000.php

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr04/articles/cameleon5000.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20050209112024/http://www.camelaudio.com/faqs.php?fID=2

[supernova777]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwLOkEUyieI[/youtube]

[MacTron]

A MacOS9Lives member told me -a few weeks ago- that he have this one.
So we have to wait...
¿?

[supernova777]

A MacOS9Lives member told me -a few weeks ago- that he have this one.
So we have to wait...
¿?

BT has it for sure because hes quoted on their site as saying its the best synth hes ever used (maybe it was about alchemy, but this synth IS alchemy, or what became alchemy)

[MacTron]

BT has it for sure because hes quoted on their site as saying its the best synth hes ever used (maybe it was about alchemy, but this synth IS alchemy, or what became alchemy)

There is a month that BT don't come around here...

[supernova777]

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr09/articles/camelaudioalchemy.htm
heres what the plugin became....... current version

[arjen_1]

Impressive! Can't wait to work with it. I'll search for it too.
Greetz,
Arjen

[MacTron]

Impressive! Can't wait to work with it. I'll search for it too.
Greetz,
Arjen

It is here at last, !
https://www.adrive.com/public/KKSeKB/Cameleon%205000.sit

Unfortunately we only have this very problematic copy.
- Sometimes Cubase crash at Cameleon 5000 startup.
- The SN has to be inserted each time the plugin startup.
- The presets folder isn't setup correctly.

So, It works. But it seems our copy is damaged in some way... or the real thing is buggy as hell...

This is version 1.292, and may be there are a Mac Os 9 version up to Cameleon 5000 v1.4 or v.1.6...
Let's hope we can find a better copy or a better version someday. Because this may be one of greatest synths for mac Os 9.

[supernova777]

are u trying this on an overclocked cpu?
if so, have u tried it on a cpu that isnt overclocked?
_BT had told me this thing eats cpu cycles for breakfast..
very cpu intensive.

did the demo version ever work?
perhaps u can take files from the demo + mix with the reg version to create a more stable workign version?

oh ya the demo download never worked

[MacTron]

_BT had told me this thing eats cpu cycles for breakfast..
very cpu intensive.

Only 9 notes of polyphony in the same machine where NI FM7 or NI Kompakt achieve over 100!

[supernova777]

yep. pretty ineffeciently programmed..
u know this is exactly the same reason why i dont have the same level of respect for any programs developed after 2004.... all of these apps waste cpu cycles...

wasnt this widely criticized of steinberg re: their protection?

the same thing goes for websites.. there was an artform where things were done extremely efficiently due to cpu restraints but all that old knowledge went out the window when the industry was flooded with idiots who were educated by some pay to learn 'course' "Become a web designer in 1 week!" type program... these people didnt have the same perspective towards the work.. to make things preload properly + load smoothly..
its a shame

[IIO]

the comparison with fm-7 is a bit unfair.

[supernova777]

the comparison with fm-7 is a bit unfair.

true because this instrument is doing a different technique of synthesis as far as i understand ..

"additive synthesis" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_synthesis
vs
"FM synthesis" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation_synthesis

[MacTron]

the comparison with fm-7 is a bit unfair.

Why?

I only take into account what a virtual synths offers to me and my music, and at what price...
This Cameleon 5000 offers me a great variety of sounds, from realistic to fantastic ones, plus resynthesis!... all with a great sound quality. The same as FM7 (without resynthesis) IMHO, but this last one don't eats half of my computer with just 4 or 5 notes at the same time...

I can't take Cube into account because I don't like VirSyn sound quality.

[IIO]

it is a bit "unfair" because FM synthesis needs literally "no" CPU, just as a kontakt sampler, because it is kind of playing samples plugs doing one additional multiplication at each operator, while resynthesis forms are quite complex processes.

if you compare the CPU hunger of cameleon against the d-16 roland sh-101 emulation (you can run 2 voices of it on a G4) cameleon would look great.

[MacTron]

it is a bit "unfair" because FM synthesis needs literally "no" CPU, just as a kontakt sampler, because it is kind of playing samples plugs doing one additional multiplication at each operator, while resynthesis forms are quite complex processes.

No offense... But I think you're confusing wavetable synth (like PPG Wave or Xphraze) with FM synth...
Other wise, FM synth (aka phase modulation) is an additive synthesis of "non lineal" type. While Cube and CA-5000 are "lineal" additive synthesis, so they aren't so far away as it can be expected...

if you compare the CPU hunger of cameleon against the d-16 roland sh-101 emulation

I only know the powercore SH 101 and the TC Mercury and both are lightweight (especially the powercore one LOL) and none are polyphonic, so ...

[IIO]

No offense... But I think you're confusing wavetable synth (like PPG Wave or Xphraze) with FM synth...
Other wise, FM synth (aka phase modulation) is an additive synthesis of "non lineal" type.

additive synthesis? phase modulation? frequency modulation? three different things. there is nothing in FM-7 which would fall under phase or additive.

While Cube and CA-5000 are "lineal" additive synthesis, so they aren't so far away as it can be expected...

the main difference between 8 operators and 1024 partials is that 1024 are 128 times more than 8 (no matter if you do that with FFT, FOF, ringing filters or sampleplayers). i can upload a free copy of P-Calc if you dont trust me.

I only know the powercore SH 101 and the TC Mercury and both are lightweight (especially the powercore one LOL)

good thinking, lets use what works. thats why i never bought cameleon!