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9.2.3
« on: February 11, 2014, 04:15:20 PM »
does anyone here have any experience of this "upgrade": [Link removed]


Edit: The url is now inappropriate rather than legitimate.
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2014, 04:50:48 PM »
It needs 1600x1200 resolution
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Interesting.
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2014, 05:42:25 PM »
june 12. 2014. this thredsgot 148 views.
and 1 (2) replies.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2014, 06:42:47 PM »
It has some interesting tools and updates, but the 1600x1200 resolution thing kills me.
Only a fistfull of users here have > 1280x1024.
Maybe Mactron or DieHard can pronounce about this unofficial update. Old school user can have an app for everyone of these tools...(?)
Only a few Apple Monitors have 1600x1200 or more. Some Formac and the Apple Cinema on ADC and lots of VGA/DVI alternatives, but I cant tell you since I have 1280x1024  :-\

Maybe we can try to locate him to join us!

Name:     Cliff Huylebroeck

[suspicious]Address:  Denderbellestraat 33
Zip code: B-9200
City:     Sint-Gillis-bij-Dendermonde[/suspicious]
Country:  BELGIUM

And ask him if he can make an "low resolution" setting

Take a look on his recomended 3rd party must have
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2014, 04:03:44 AM »
im curious about his ideas about stability:
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and is this resolution thing really a must?

i also got the impression that you can install only the extensions you need
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2014, 09:02:49 AM »
i dont understand why this is interesting at all.
its not a real os expansion.. and what benefit does it provide to you, the user?
i assign very little value to this
there is no benefit

sorry.. just my thoughts..  i have always looked, seen, and dismissed as invaluable
u cant put too much faith in things like this.
think about it.
its usually developed by one lonely strange guy
adding on to a project developed by hundreds/thousands of programmers at a company?
i dont think so


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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2014, 12:54:22 AM »
It needs 1600x1200 resolution
[Link removed]Interesting.
i don't understand why this is interesting at all.
its not a real OS expansion.. and what benefit does it provide to you, the user?
Chris, if you spend 20 minutes browsing OS9.2.3 you get the picture that  Cliff Huylebroeck has a deep understanding of OS9.

He has developed a LOT of utilities for our beloved OS, and the material seem really good at first sight. We should invite him here to chat about his "product/fan work" because I dont have a deep knowledge over his work.

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its usually developed by one lonely strange guy

I love Mac-Programmer-Strange-Guys that had spent all that time that Cliff has spent "fine-tuning" OS9. Don't you?

And We all as a community around an "obsolete" OS should take these documents as a way to learn about performance/stability, as well as I appreciate the Sunrise OS9 report, the David Pogue guide, and every word of every old-school user we are so proud to have here; because the path they took to be "veterans" can make us win some time in going directly to make MUSIC, and not in the tedious work of installing/testing hardware combinations that maybe them had already made years before.

For sure he knows ten times more CodeWarrior than you and me!   :P  :-[

In my opinion, OS9.2.3 is bloated of too many things. For my workflow, only 10-20 "new-things" are interesting, but it seems it has hundreds...File handling seem interesting.

But I think that the syncronus/asincronus thing and divisions of "utilities" was more of the first 90 apple stile than from the last golden age of OS9, but it can be a tool for all us; so we should "study" it.

It is our duty to make the 2.0 version of "sunrise report" and also, if we contact him, he could make us a OS9.2.4 DAW oriented, with the opinion on us about 9.2.3 what we want to keep and what to avoid!



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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2014, 11:16:56 AM »
Let me start by saying that Cliff's site should be read by every OS 9 user, he has some great TIPS and tweaks, however, take what works for you and leave the rest.  His statement,
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Custom folder icons have the same effect as a heavily fragmented hard disk.
Well, maybe that is true on a pre-G3 machine, but this statement is a little extreme for my taste on an MDD. I use a program called "icontools" where I can right click and "stamp" icons on my folders and make custom icons, and I would say I love this feature in OS 9.  It has never impacted performance on my DAW (at least that I could tell) and I have seen the hell a heavily fragmented disk can do to a Studio mac... so I am not in agreement here... I have hundreds of custom icons, I like them :)

OK Now the Video Issue (requirement)...

If you have an ADC Port, the Monitor you want is the Apple Cinema Display 23" with the Lucite stand; it will yield
1920 X 1200 resolution in OS9 with no issues.

The Aluminum 23" cinema display does not work under OS9 at the higher resolutions, without loading extra utilities, and in some cases, will not work at the higher resolutions no matter what you do .
You can find the Apple Cinema Display 23" Lucite version for less that $175 on ebay (10% of it's original price), and it you have a DAW, you need a big monitor; since this is what you will look at all the time, everyday, it does not make sense to "cheap-out" on a monitor.

So back to the 9.2.3 thing... the monitor issues can be overcome, but I am on the fence about the benefits and I stuck right in the middle of this thread emotionally... If there were some "Real-world" documented success stories about it's stability surpassing 9.2.2 then I would try it right away (I do not have the energy or time to be the one to test it with a DAW setup) and unfortunately, I think many are in the same boat... after tweaking a system for so long... who really wants to throw a big monkey wrench in their setup, just to beta test... and if it fucks things up... well, now you have to remember how to get back to your last good working setup... So, clearly, setting it up on it's own Mac or on a different volume would make more sense.... but then you have to duplicate (or at least install) some core apps from your know working setup... again... this can be time-consuming. Testing it without real world apps is not really testing it, it's just looking at new eye candy.

Don't get me wrong, Cliff is an OS9 genius !; and yes, I read his entire site back when this was first posted, but I was hoping for more modifications to the actual System and the Finder... the utilities don't really interest me, since I have found what works for me over the years.  His "TIPS" are excellent and so is his knowledge of OS 9, but I am definitely not ready to re-learn OS 9 with a slew of unfamiliar utilities.... I will look thru them, when I get some time, as I suggest we all do... and make posts if we find an amazing ones :)

I agree with Chris that I don't see this as some new revolutionary jump from OS 9.2.2 to 9.2.3 (It's more like 9.2.2 "Plus" addition).... In my mind 9.2.3 would be the new Mac OS 9 that has a bigger footprint and has protected system memory that makes it almost crash-proof. 

I don't think that Cliff should be put in the same class as just another utility programmer... he is clearly a talented OS 9 expert and I think he has created an awesome face lift for 9.2.2 that might be perfect for newbies... for veterans, all this new "stuff" may be a little overwhelming.  I think a lot of what I mentioned is felt by others... that is why we all read the post originally, but no nobody tried it.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2014, 12:13:44 PM »

this is good stuff, and it is great that somebody cares.

i still have some request left for processes which i  do not yet have in my OS9 setup, and someone has to program it one day. :)
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2015, 10:14:49 PM »
lol...
PTLE guy
make some music man;) stop worrying about stupid stuff
this is a waste of time

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2016, 09:55:26 PM »
I didnŽt notice Cliff know about us and has used this post as a review!

http://os923.gangstalkingwiki.com/

New URL, by the way.

He has explained deeply now every extension/control panel he has added.

It seems he has made some a better explaination on why the resolution and what you loose if you don't have 1600 pix monitor.
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A monitor with a width of at least 1600 pixels if you want to install the Multi menu extension


You just loose the Multimenu, and we all should be using MacTrons Finder by now.

Nanopico, we should reach him. He has been working on "his" 9.2.3 for years. Maybe joining efforts we can finally have a "real" 9.2.3.
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2016, 06:53:33 AM »
Maybe I'm missing something but I found no actual download for this.

This looks more like a utility/collection of utilities that enhance functionality and make some fairly low level calls into the OS and or patch some OS methods (<- speculation since I didn't write it and I found no download to install it from).

Again maybe I missed something but this looked like user programs that are run and aren't 100% embedded/integrated at an OS level.

Having said that, some of these would be awesome to get to be a more native part of the OS.
When I have a moment I'll try to reach out and see if there is any interest from Cliff to help/contribute in any way.
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2016, 07:15:14 AM »
Cliff Huylebroeck work is only a bunch of system extensions. Some are great of course. But an amount of extensions - even if if they are a huge collection - is far away that what we can consider a new system version.

Furthermore, my personal aproach is to use only the minimal amount of control panels and system extensions, thouwing to the trash even 70% of estandar Apple ones.

Clif programing knolege will be way more important than its wrong aproach. IMHO
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2016, 07:33:51 AM »
OK then, somebody lasso Cliff and get him over here to help nano!!! ;D ;D

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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2016, 11:20:14 AM »
Maybe I'm missing something but I found no actual download for this.

it should be on his site, at least it was there until last year.

for my taste it requires a few too much osaxen aliens for what it does. i would prefer to have it in smaller collections.
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2016, 11:21:43 AM »
https://web.archive.org/web/20141218040346/http://os923.com/

ok downloads are gone. we should add it to the forums.
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2016, 12:08:41 PM »
quite hard to find ... but it is still there and has been moved to a wiki:

http://os923.gangstalkingwiki.com/

some other old utils there: http://gangstalkingwiki.com/
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"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2016, 12:28:51 PM »
I found that.  this is the download page linked to.
http://shareware.gangstalkingwiki.com/OS923_download.php

But I see nothing to download.
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2016, 07:11:10 AM »
My old websites are now subdomains of my new website.
Priority 1 is my website. (This takes almost all my time.)
Priority 2 is my shareware. (Now I'm working on a firewall.)
Priority 3 is OS 9.2.3. (The last upload was 1.0d5 on September 2, 2013.)

If I want to get it right, then this has to be done:
  • PowerPlant has to be replaced with a framework without exceptions.
  • The HFS instructions have to be replaced with HFS+ instructions (for long filenames and long files).
  • The Finder has to be replaced with something that shows long filenames in Unicode.
The plan is to complete the program 'Check volumes' and then leave it there.
I continue to use that while I work on the better system which I will call OS 9.2.4.
I dropped support for G3's, but some parts may continue to work on some G3's.

I released it on your request but don't start shouting if you don't like it.
('Check volumes' has a working interface but it performs nothing.)

I changed it to make it work on a 1280 x 1024 screen.

The download is here:
http://shareware.gangstalkingwiki.com/OS923_download.php

The help is included.

"C++ macros" has always been the most problematic part.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2016, 08:50:40 AM »
Wellcome Cliff!

Thanks!

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2016, 10:02:25 AM »
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I released it on your request but don't start shouting if you don't like it.
You are very talented and we thank you :)   The only "shouting" will be screams of Nirvana.

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I changed it to make it work on a 1280 x 1024 screen.
Wow !!!  Let the testing begin by all !

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2016, 10:13:40 AM »
  It's wonderful that a handful of people are actively working on this general concept of the OS 9 update, but I'm getting concerned that a lot of it is happening in isolation and with different and possibly incompatible goals in mind.  I hope there will eventually be some way to merge all the fixes into one project before it branches too far apart.  (Perhaps all of this can eventually come together in a 9.3 final-release version.)   I also hope that there won't be any problematic limitations like fixed screen resolutions or loss of G3 support.  Most of the things that have been added in the 9.2.3 project are not of direct use to my workflow but they may be of interest to others.  Personally, I'd prefer to not have the menu bar packed full of add-ons that may not be optional.  The "pear" icon may also lead to some confusion with the PearPC project.

  Getting basic standing bugs out of the core system should be the number one priority, followed by incorporating the latest driver updates.  Even the "Universal 9.2.2" I downloaded doesn't have the final ATI driver update applied.  Expanding hardware support, particularly where it applies to video cards and basic trouble-free booting, should follow because it's going to help the maximum number of users as hardware options dry-up.  The multi-processor patch should also be part of the basic system so that it doesn't have to be manually disabled/copied.  I find it kinda sad that most users of the Universal 9.2.2 are probably disabling multiprocessor support rather than applying the patch.  The multiprocessor fix and the ATI update were a necessity on one of my MDDs (although some ATI extensions had to be disabled to prevent a boot freeze related to the particular Radeon card installed).

  My comments aside, keep up the good work, Cliff!  Everything you're doing should prove to be of value, and your knowledge is invaluable.  Welcome!

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2016, 10:39:53 AM »
I hope there will eventually be some way to merge all the fixes into one project before it branches too far apart.

Isn't that the spirit of Open Source project? :P

Okay joking aside.  If different goals don't conflict or overlap then multiple isolated projects isn't so much a problem, but the knowledge from each could be shared.  To me (and this is just my opinion) sharing knowledge is the biggest help anyone can provide. 

But I do like help on thing and I like to help others so joining up projects is always a cool thing.
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2016, 11:22:17 AM »
  I don't mean any disrespect to Cliff, but it seemed like he may have been rather hell-bent on his particular vision of what form the updates should take.  If 9.2.3, or whatever you want to call it, truly morphs into a community-led open source project then it may be at odds with the directions others are pursuing.  Now that Cliff's joined us in the discussion here I will leave it to him to comment.

  I'm not heavily invested in any one approach, mind you, but I really hope that we can gain the best from all approaches without leading to the arbitrary exclusion of practical improvements at the fundamental level.  I will express my strong desire to not have any already compatible hardware written out of the OS support unless absolutely necessary, and I also find the locked video resolutions counter-productive.  (Most of my available screens are 1440x900 LCDs, but that's not really the majority of my concern.)

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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2016, 02:06:20 PM »
i would generally prefer if it hd only one menu in the menubar, because nobody will ever use all features of it but usually only a handful. and if it requires a certain space on or size of the screen, that makes it incompatible with other third party extensions which are putting items in the menubar (starting with stuff it and not ending with additional "apple menus")
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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2016, 04:45:35 PM »
i would generally prefer if it hd only one menu in the menubar, because nobody will ever use all features of it but usually only a handful. and if it requires a certain space on or size of the screen, that makes it incompatible with other third party extensions which are putting items in the menubar (starting with stuff it and not ending with additional "apple menus")

  I have to wonder if this was the primary reason for locking the high resolution in the first place, to fit all the extra stuff in the menu bar.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2016, 12:27:37 AM »
I can't help with the USB 2 driver. I looked into it, but I find it too difficult.

I'm capable of writing a Finder replacement. REALbasic is the right language. It supports long file names, Unicode and drag and drop. My program "Basic filter" has shown that REALbasic is fast enough. I would integrate something like "Basic filter". It would be programmable in Basic instead of AppleScript.

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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2016, 08:06:42 AM »
I can't help with the USB 2 driver. I looked into it, but I find it too difficult.
I'm capable of writing a Finder replacement...

All efforts are appreciated :)  With over 1500 members, I am sure we will have many that can utilize an "enhanced" finder.  Most of us have adopted clever naming schemes, but it would be great to be able to bring the volume/file organization to the next level with long names, now that we have Hard drives that are bigger than anyone would have ever guessed in the era when OS9 was born.

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« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2016, 03:52:26 AM »
Preview of release 1.0d8.

I corrected a mistake in the SIZE flags in the "Caps lock beep" extension that prevented it from quitting.

I wrote a completely new macros extension.
The previous version used GNEFilter.
Now it patches WaitNextEvent and GetNextEvent.
This is better, because it works now also in programs like the notepad.

You can define your own macros now.
If you want that control-X is replaced with "blah" then you make a file with the name "control-Y" where Y is the keycode of X, and you save the text "blah" in this file.
You may edit this file, but you have to restart to take effect.

After using the Apple Design Keyboard II for 18 years, I found a good use for Escape and the function keys:

Escape = (.+)
F1 = \1
...
F8 = \8

This is practical for regular expressions.
Many people complain that these keys are useless.
Now they are indispensable.

Then I had this idea:
If the macro file has a resource fork, then it places these resources on the clipboard and replaces the key event with command-V.
Then you can use everything that you can place on the clipboard as a macro, like styled text or pictures.
You may edit these macro files with ResEdit or your own program.

What do you think of it?

Then I need also a program that can save the clipboard as a resource file.

I'm searching whether it exists already.

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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2016, 10:10:48 AM »
As far as I can see, it doesn't exist.
It has to be a separate process that you bring to the front to force the front application to export the private scrap to the global scrap.
Then I consider to program 3 versions:
  • a faceless application that saves the scrap and quits,
  • a program with a window with a button and a menu with a command that saves the scrap when you click the button or type the command,
  • a console program which types info about the saved resources and then you can choose to save this text.
This is all very basic stuff.
I'm surprised that it didn't exist already.

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« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2016, 09:24:09 AM »
i was looking, too, but it seems it doesnt exist.

i cant check now but doesnt the copypaste extension support apple events?
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« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2016, 06:12:01 AM »
I don't know whether CopyPaste supports Apple events.
It allows you to use 10 clipboards.
It does something else than my extension.

My extension allows you to paste the contents of a resource file or a text file when you type a key combination.

For example, save the text "bool" in file "Alpha B ctrl" and put it in the preferences folder.
If you type Control-B then it will place "bool" on the clipboard and replace the key event with Command-V.

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« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2016, 06:15:50 AM »
The extension is finished and works like expected.
The filenames start with the key code followed by the modifiers.
That's the only way to do it right.
The key codes can be found with my program "Key event calculator".
The filenames may start with a remark which ends on =.
This allows to sort better.
For example, "B=11 control" defines CONTROL + B.

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« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2016, 03:45:25 PM »
Just wanted to chime in and say thanks for your hard work!!!
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« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2016, 10:22:03 AM »
Temporary download:
http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=gd39878dd4751b92a9998416543c02daedffbc650e
Move "C++ macros" to "Extensions".
Move "C++ macro definitions" to "Preferences".

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2016, 12:08:22 PM »
This is a huge undertaking for one man.
Keep up the good work.
How did you learn all that?
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2016, 06:38:14 AM »
From Inside Mac.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2016, 06:45:56 AM »
My website has moved to www.gangstalking.eu
The OS 9.2.3 documentation is now at https://www.gangstalking.eu/os923/index.htm

I'm currently reordering and relinking all the projects. Compilation is now much faster. The programs will be a bit smaller and faster and waste less processor time. You will also be able to write full paths in the reports instead of specs.

"Check volumes" will not be completed because this will be done by the new Finder.

In the upcoming version there will be an extension that deletes "Thumbs.db" files and one that deletes ".DS_Store" files.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2016, 09:29:10 AM »
The OS 9.2.3 documentation is now at https://www.gangstalking.eu/shareware/macos/os923/index.htm

The Async Tools have to be relinked.
I'm going to replace the "Lock volumes" control strip module with a system menu.

I found a better way to resolve aliases.
The instruction for resolving alias files can return the right target even if it returns -43.
I use this to create a new alias handle.
Then I replace the resource in the alias file.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2016, 07:40:07 AM »
The "Lock volumes" system menu is almost finished.
I beautified PowerPlant with UniversalIndentGUI.
I'm improving it a bit.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2016, 01:30:15 AM »

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2016, 11:11:14 AM »
Just checked the site, and it's expired. I hope he renews it, since I just recently found out about it and haven't had time to check everything out yet.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2017, 08:52:40 AM »

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2017, 04:11:49 PM »
This unofficial update looks really cool  ;D
As someone who grew up with classic Macs in primary and then the coloured imacs running 10.2 in intermediate school (but never had the money for one of my own back then), its taken me a while to get into classic Mac OS because all my work is done in Final Cut Pro X and Sierra.

I'm just wondering, will it work on my G4 1.42ghz dual processor Mac? I know its not officially supported by OS9, if your build doesn't add support for the non-supported G4s then I'll still happily have to give this a try on my 466mhz G4 and even my newly acquired G3 iBook clamshell.

I like what I'm reading in terms of what you have accomplished and I'm wondering, has any moves been made toward allowing for bigger hard drive partitions than 190 or better memory?
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2017, 05:36:28 PM »
In the downloads section there is an OS9.2.2 image specifically for the FW 800 MDD. There are a couple of minor limitations - for example, your FW800 ports will operate at 400 - but trust me, OS9 running at 1.42GHz has to be seen to be believed!

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2017, 07:04:53 PM »
190 GB limit -> for booting OS9
500 GB limit -> at IDE & SATA ports
2000 GB limit -> at usb and firewire ports
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2017, 10:31:06 PM »
In the downloads section there is an OS9.2.2 image specifically for the FW 800 MDD. There are a couple of minor limitations - for example, your FW800 ports will operate at 400 - but trust me, OS9 running at 1.42GHz has to be seen to be believed!

I shall give that a go then thanks. If its a good as you say, then it should blow Tigers speed away :)
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2017, 11:30:20 PM »
190 GB limit -> for booting OS9
500 GB limit -> at IDE & SATA ports
2000 GB limit -> at usb and firewire ports

I knew the booting limit, but I didn't know other drives could be so much bigger, thanks.

For the ports, do you mean the formatted drive's size? I plugged in a 500gb SSD by USB into my G4 running 9.2.2 and it didn't seem to see it.
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2017, 06:03:26 PM »
size per partition.

for example 3x500 off a 1.5TB internal SATA harddrive connected via PCI card  or IDE adapter.

but good that you mention it: there is also a 2 TB drive size limit (no matter how you connect) - so watch out when you buy new drives.

p.s.:
iŽd usually recommend to use 500 per partition for firewire, too.
but myself i actually also use a firewire to SATA case with an 1.3 TB partition sucessfully in OS9 and as far as i know no problem should occur with that.

fwiw, since weŽre an audio board i should also point out that there seems to be a weird partition limit of 168 something for its custom disk access method in protools 4.
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2017, 06:36:44 PM »
Okay, thats very good to know.

Any recommendations for PCI cards that could do the job? I got a few 2tb drives lying around I could make use of. Ones like the Sonnet X4P PCI-X eSATA card only list Mac OSX compatibility.
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2017, 11:13:54 AM »
sonnet has older ones which work. SATA 300 is fairly enough for a G4, more seems like wasted. sonnet are based on the most common cards around, they have a list here in the forums of non branded sil cards which are natively supporting mac.
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2017, 06:11:35 AM »
I'm just wondering, will it work on my G4 1.42ghz dual processor Mac?
I tried it and the async tools crashed while the sync tools work. I will look into it, because I have such a G4 1.42 GHz DP and I want that it works.

The new release will use the same shared libraries with PowerPlant without exceptions. It will probably work.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2017, 07:24:05 AM »
I solved the game tree of Connect 4. This will be included in the next release.

I got interested in it because of the Fhourstones benchmark.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fhourstones

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In computer science, Fhourstones is an integer benchmark that efficiently solves positions in the game of Connect-4. It was written by John Tromp in 1996-2008

My solution takes 2 hours and 5 minutes on the G4 MDD 1.25 DP. It calculates 114000 moves per second.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2017, 12:00:03 AM »
does anyone here have any experience of this "upgrade": http://www.os923.com/?

That link opens up to Asian porn on my machine???

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2017, 12:41:35 PM »
The site has moved to https://www.gangstalking.eu/shareware/macos/os923/

or stay with porn, its your choice. as long as no animals are harmed...
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2017, 02:34:47 AM »
I ordered a new website because I want to get rid of the .eu domain.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2017, 06:46:24 AM »
I'm going to rewrite the tools. (They are already 6 years old.) The font has to be larger. The window background has to be white. The menus have to be in the menu bar. The controls for working with multiple preferences have to be replaced with menus in the menu bar. I'm going to use my own framework with multiple undo which I use also for the UniFinder. They are merged to one system that works with HFS+ instructions instead of HFS: all programs have to work with long Unicode file names and files > 2 GB. I want to use my special notation like you can see in https://gangstalking.eu/problems/Connect4InCpp.htm. There has to be an option for sync or async, an option for working with multiple threads (read, process, write) and a cancel button. There has to be a language for expressions like (type="TEXT" or type="ttro") and creator="ttxt" to select files and folders. I also want a "regret system" where you can point at one of your past actions that you regret and then it proposes a solution. Instead of overwriting the files, they have to be swapped with temporary files. These temporary files can then be used for undo or regret. I've been doing this type of things already before I wrote those tools. I'm confident that I can do it.
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2017, 08:30:49 AM »
My website has moved to www.gsehi.com

Shareware.
Mac stuff. (The extensions are now a separate download.)
OS 9.2.3.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2017, 05:21:50 PM »


lol.
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #60 on: August 07, 2017, 08:32:46 AM »
The website is almost finished. I only have to add about 150 PDFs, change document info and open options and READ the plot of these movies and mark one sentence. Then I have to post links from the PDFs to the movie trailers. Then I work exclusively on the Mac projects.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2017, 05:44:26 AM »
I removed the Windows, Linux and OSX versions of my programs from my website.
I'm doing only Mac OS and Palm OS now.
All programs are now donationware without nag screens.

http://www.gsehi.com/computing/index.php

I learned to write control panel / extension combinations with CodeWarrior.
That creates possibilities.

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2017, 07:56:45 PM »
Great!

Looking for MacOS 9.2.4

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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2017, 11:27:37 AM »
I learned to write control panel / extension combinations with CodeWarrior.
That creates possibilities.

very good. what about a little workshop? ;)
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #64 on: October 16, 2017, 05:48:49 AM »
I learned to write control panel / extension combinations with CodeWarrior.
That creates possibilities.

very good. what about a little workshop? ;)
The easiest solution is that the control panel contains separate resources for the main function, the INIT and the selector function. The INIT draws the icon at startup and installs the gestalt. You need to have a selector function but there's no easy way for this function to get at the global variables except if we save this function in a resource and we link a variable which is initialized to a specific value. When the resource is loaded, this variable's location is the address of the specific value. We search this value and replace it with a handle that contains our global data. When the gestalt is made, we have to flush the instruction and data cache, otherwise it won't behave like expected. The main function can now communicate via the Gestalt function.

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« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2017, 01:42:08 PM »

The easiest solution is that the control panel contains separate resources for the main function, the INIT and the selector function. The INIT draws the icon at startup and installs the gestalt. You need to have a selector function but there's no easy way for this function to get at the global variables except if we save this function in a resource and we link a variable which is initialized to a specific value.
???

 When the resource is loaded, this variable's location is the address of the specific value. We search this value and replace it with a handle that contains our global data. When the gestalt is made, we have to flush the instruction and data cache, otherwise it won't behave like expected. The main function can now communicate via the Gestalt function.

Party!!!
Looking for MacOS 9.2.4

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« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2017, 02:22:30 PM »
The easiest solution is that the control panel contains separate resources for the main function, the INIT and the selector function.

i am aware of the two basic parts (executable and, since OS 7, optional init) but i simply have no clue about c++
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Re: 9.2.3
« Reply #67 on: November 20, 2017, 06:39:22 AM »
I cannot mount os923.img in mac os 9.2.2. Any help ?