Author Topic: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (os9 vs ppc osx vs hackintosh x)  (Read 11384 times)

supernova777

  • Guest
Quote
***UPDATE***
i've updated the chart of graphics cards + sorted the chart by different columns for comparison
http://www.macos9lives.com/downloads/_img/gfx/graphicsChart_byCoreClock.PNG
http://www.macos9lives.com/downloads/_img/gfx/graphicsCardsChart_byGBs.PNG
http://www.macos9lives.com/downloads/_img/gfx/graphicsChart_byReleaseDate.PNG
purple coded card names are the stronger more capable cards
***UPDATE***
plz note: the pci-e entries are just for comparison + reference purposes
what im personally looking for is, the most compatible card for different uses/operating systems
offering as decent modern performance as possible!

this is a bunch of reference information for reusing + repurposing graphic cards (by flashing from mac to pc or from pc to mac)
from working REAL MAC powerpc computers to INTEL/AMD hackintosh's running OSX leopard or snow leopard
or vice versa! so again my personal reasons for looking for a geforce card and not a radeon card
is the hackintosh compatibility factor!!! radeons work fine in real powerpc macs but not in hackintoshes!
well actually this is not entirely true but the distro states the geforces are better supported "out of the box"


please note this is a rough outline of available info from distro publications + other info sources
guaranteed some cards will work that are not shown to work (with green box) on this graph

My effort was to try to find a card that supported both mac os 9 + os x (both ppc + intel hackintosh osx)  with at least moderatre performance for both (preferably leaning to performance side obviously hehe) but also to acquaint myself with the cards + when they were released + what performance they offer + which gpu chip powers them etc
having learned this now i think im in a better position to possibly even look at overclocking or at last having a perspective on which chip can be overclocked safely
(f.e. taking a mx/xt/lite card + adding a better cooling + changing the rom to a higher one)


chart

download: http://www.macos9lives.com/downloads/_img/gfx/graphicsChart_byCoreClock.PNG

list of graphics cards
http://www.gpureview.com/videocards.php?sort_by=chip_name&sort_type=asc

ppc os9
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/8923D90A-7AD8-41F1-BD1A-FEA5E1780B95.html

ppc osx
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/4B4B7BA2-7ABB-47F1-87AC-B03D37942BEE.html

hackintosh 10.5.7 intel requirements
http://iatkos.me/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=23024

hackintosh 10.6.3 intel requirements
http://iatkos.me/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=23023


not sure if u can tell by my chart but the geforce 6xxx series agp cards seem to be compatible + reusable from hackintosh to powerpc..
and will function in os9 aswell.. but not 100% correctly or "Accellerated"
these cards are 10 years old :) from 2004-2005 and can be found in classified ads for about 5$-20$ used most likely!

a great buy looks like the x800 SE if it supports os9?

UPDATE: http://www.gpureview.com/nvidia-nv41-chip-71.html
from this page on gpureview i found it very usefull to use this topright hand corner Dropdown box "Choose A GPU:" which lets u quickly browse different GPU chips..
and then it lists which cards are produced from that chip.. its a really great way to see the steppings of the graphic cards to browse in this manner!
« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 11:54:49 AM by chrisNova777 »

Offline Protools5LEGuy

  • Global Moderator
  • Platinum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2059
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2014, 06:44:12 AM »
AGP card in a hack? I did twice on tiger 10.4.11 with Jas XXX rev2 with P4 2.8Ghz and nvFX5200 256 and atiX1600.
On my followings hacks 10.6.8  I went PentiumD/Core2 pci express GMA950, nv6600, nv7300LE and GT220.
The Ati X1600 was not seen on PowerPC
I am thinking in flashing my fx5200 256 mg to powerpc
Looking for MacOS 9.2.4

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2014, 06:48:47 AM »
i just flashed my oem mac geforce2 mx card that was originally inside a quicksilver G4 to work in a windows 98 pc ;)
but no matter what i do i cant get this card to display 1680x1050 on windows 98SE
(update) i was able to fix this by editing the .INF for the driver and adding manually the resolution modes!!!! its working PERFECT now + faster at lcd native res! awesome!

i have discovered this version of protools 5 that lets me use 32 tracks with ****any audio interface**** i want to use
(out of the many interfaces that would be macos/win98 compatible at least, see http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=282.0)
but of course this hack works only on windows 98SE operating system only ;)
« Last Edit: February 11, 2014, 01:53:03 AM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2014, 12:08:11 AM »
does anyone know if a geforce 6200 AGP will work in mac os 9? (with or without accelleration?)


one of the last agp cards to still be sold in my area

if it worked properly it should be around the same speed similtar to a geforce4 ti4600
or between that and a radeon 8500 at least... i guess i will soon find out as im getting one for $5 from classified ads;)

UPDATE: got the card.. for $5.. along with a gigabit ethernet realtek card for another $5.. big spender;)
i look forward to testing to see if i can get it to work with a powermac g4, and aswell to see if i can make it work in win98se 
i have read about problems getting any 6 series geforce cards to work in win98 because nvidia stopped making the drivers
to support these cards and focused only on xp/2k from that point on..
(win98 is totally the os9 of windows versions .. shunned+ abandoned! LOL at least it was never publicly humiliated + given a funeral hehe)

confirmed that this card works in the agp2x only ancient slot 1 motherboard... so it is totally 2x AGP compatible which means it definately will be agp 4x compatible aswell so the box really should say 8x / 4x / 2x agp ;)

« Last Edit: February 15, 2014, 09:18:38 AM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2014, 03:01:24 AM »
for those who want the best AGP card speeds possible.. for mac os x.
its really a fight between these two:

7600 GT
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:21HWAUMrEMoJ:www.gpureview.com/geforce-7600-gt-agp-card-435.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

7800 GS
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:caQQbfaJbIcJ:www.gpureview.com/geforce-7800-gs-agp-card-382.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca






they have the highest specs
i wonder if they would even support mac os 9 (unaccellerated or not!)
i hope to find out ;)

i was thinking of hunting down one of these for my 10.5.8 hackintosh / win98 box im in the process of making...
but ive just realized a problem.. there is no win98se driver for the Geforce 7xxx series cards!!!! lol
http://forum.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=204357
^^ apparently someone says in this thread that they have made it work by hacking the .inf driver texts so its possible
but they never bothered to create a driver for these cards (being made in 2007, win98se from 1999 was obviously ancient history to them)
so it seems that i may have to be satisfied with a series 6xxx card to be able to dual boot from 10.5.8 leopard hackintosh to win98se
like i have planned for this machine:D made from 2006 parts (some of the last to support win98se) (also this motherboard fits into a powermac g4 case! which was the original reason i bcame interested in it at all! its physical size and that it has 3 pci slots similar to a sawtooth but of course, intel core 2 duo powered!)

motheboard: asus p5pe-vm
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5PEVM/

cpu: intel core 2 duo E4300
http://ark.intel.com/products/28024/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E4300-2M-Cache-1_80-GHz-800-MHz-FSB
« Last Edit: February 15, 2014, 08:38:09 AM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2014, 04:09:21 AM »
AGP card in a hack? I did twice on tiger 10.4.11 with Jas XXX rev2 with P4 2.8Ghz and nvFX5200 256 and atiX1600.
On my followings hacks 10.6.8  I went PentiumD/Core2 pci express GMA950, nv6600, nv7300LE and GT220.
The Ati X1600 was not seen on PowerPC
I am thinking in flashing my fx5200 256 mg to powerpc

how did the 10.4.x on intel do performance wise?
ive never gotten the 10.4.x ones to work...!
probably because i didnt have the right video card

Offline Protools5LEGuy

  • Global Moderator
  • Platinum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2059
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2014, 06:16:52 AM »


how did the 10.4.x on intel do performance wise?
ive never gotten the 10.4.x ones to work...!
probably because i didnt have the right video card

Tiger was great, but I only had Logic 8 as a DAW. A friend with a Dual G5 2.2 told me my Pentium D 920 with GMA 950 was fastest than his setup using Logic and the User Interface too. But I preffered at the time the flexibility of Protools LE 6.1.1/MP 7.3/7.4 on Xp, than Logic 8. The pentium 4 was slower but comparable to a G4 single was faster. Core2Duo was the "G6" .
Protools 8 HD XVX make me try Leo on P4, but 10.6.8 is where Protools 8-9 runs better
Looking for MacOS 9.2.4

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2014, 06:53:58 AM »
Tiger was great, but I only had Logic 8 as a DAW. A friend with a Dual G5 2.2 told me my Pentium D 920 with GMA 950 was fastest than his setup using Logic and the User Interface too.

I believe it!!!

But I preffered at the time the flexibility of Protools LE 6.1.1/MP 7.3/7.4 on Xp, than Logic 8.

flexibility for what? rewire? or do u mean RTAS over AU plugins?

The pentium 4 was slower but comparable to a G4 single was faster. Core2Duo was the "G6" .
Protools 8 HD XVX make me try Leo on P4, but 10.6.8 is where Protools 8-9 runs better

ah! G6 lol  umean the "g5 killer" ;)

Offline Protools5LEGuy

  • Global Moderator
  • Platinum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2059
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2014, 08:45:12 AM »
I just moved from Logic 3.6 ProISIS(PentiumII) to Logic 5.5.1(terratec dmx6fire24/96 on athlom 1.4) on PC to Protools on OS9/XP (2 AMIII on G3 and P4)
Given the number of RTAS I had for OS9/G3 350 vs XP/P4 2.8 I used Protools6.1.1/logic5.5 on XP lots of times, having the g3 for those days the P4 did not wanted to run...(15-20% of days)
I decided to abandon Logic5.5.1 on PC for not having later upgrades on PC focusing on Protools. Bought an audiophile 24/96 for protools mp just when Apple decided go to Intel, Digidesign to abandom 001/AMIII and M-Audio to go M-Powered (PT 6.7-6.9).
Later I recieved a DIGI 001 (2008) and went Protools 5.1/6.4 for multitracking/mixing on P4 win98/Xp. I made my first triple boot Win98 with logic 3.6 proISIS/protools5.1; Xp Logic5/protools6.4 and Tiger XXX rev2 Logic 8
Recieved a Pentium D and I left Isis/001 on Pentium4 and M-Audio for xp and Pt 7.4 with dual booting tiger and logic 8.
Just re-focused on PT 7.4 on XP was my main platform 2008-2010.
On 2008 I recieved a G4 466 DA and give a chance to osx protools, coming back to OS9 for the lack of plugs in OSX I had at the time and the OSX half power versus full powered OS9 optimizations.
On 2009 I recieved a Logic Xskey w 5,6 and 7, waking up my first use of DAW on 1999-2000 with Logic from a "totally converted" Logic user who had to go protools as a daily DAW for arrangements, mixes and mastering as all studio in area works mainly on PT.
His loss, my gain.
I can use Logic and Protools for midi, but for OS9 Logic is my first choice on midi works. From protools 8 midi is easier to handle.   
Looking for MacOS 9.2.4

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2014, 08:14:59 AM »











« Last Edit: February 14, 2014, 08:02:05 PM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2014, 11:28:18 AM »
just to reiterate a quote from the man, japamac himself frm this page:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2028986?tstart=0

Quote
I use a flashed Geforce 6800 GT in a Quicksilver, which supports OS 9 graphics fine, and is a great performance card in OS X.

Quote
Whether boot in OS 9, or run in Classic (most common) I have excellent 2D/3D performance with the 9800 Pro and the Geforce 6800.

Quote
Either will function just fine in OS 9, and either will provide Core Image support for Tiger and Leopard.

There isn't a need to spend a lot more for the 256MB version, though.
Testing shows the cards to be equal, with the 128MB version actually being slightly faster in certain applications.

Quote
. OS 9 will function fine, however, there isn't 3D acceleration support with either card in OS 9. Really, the same can be said for all cards that were released after OS X was released.
This is not a problem for most users, and would only affect games played in OS 9, not Classic. I have never encountered a problem in OS 9 (or Classic) with the Radeon 9800.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1820130?tstart=0

im only concerned about *2D* accelleration in os9.. not *3D* and everything i read about these 8500/9000/Geforce 4 cards that are supposedly "accellerated" for mac os 9..
has to do with *3D*... im not wanting to play quake on os9;) i just want great video updating.. high mhz refresh etc . mostly for all the audio apps we discuss here on this site!
but being able to have performance "in the bag" for booting the same machine to osx someday.. is a bird in the hand + worth two in the bush hehe

im using a geforce 4mx card in my agp sawtooth and the performance is pretty good.. im starting to think *ANY*geforce4 card (MX vs TI etc) works great for mac os 9..
if u compare the specs from the geforce 4mx card its pretty much close to the radeon 8500 or radeon 9000.. all of them operate at 275Mhz
which is leaps + bounds above the original rage128 which is clocked around 140mhz



Quote
"Not all cards may be used in MDD models. The geforce 6200 and all Geforce 6800 models are INCOMPATIBLE with the MDD" --japamac
i wonder what the reason for this would be? ***DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE 6600 GT IS 100% ok with the MDD?***
« Last Edit: February 15, 2014, 09:59:58 AM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2014, 02:08:47 PM »
Quote
The GeForce FX 5200 can be used on a Mac running OS 9, but with no acceleration and with limited resolution settings.
http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/geforce-5200.html

i wonder how bad this can really be?? given that the fx5200 has higher spec then all the other os9 cards..
and if the fx 5200 aGP works.. then what about the fx 5500 aGp? or the fx 5950 ultra agp?
perhaps they too can allow basic "no acceleration, limited res" functionality in os9
« Last Edit: February 14, 2014, 07:51:10 PM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2014, 03:00:57 PM »
More than 10 available *NEW*
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-AGP-Nvidia-Geforce-7600GT-512MB-7600-GT-Video-Graphic-Card-/281219105035?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item4179f7010b



Quote
Hello, you are watching a New AGP Nvidia Geforce 7600GT 512MB GDDR2 128BIT video card!

Hard to find AGP model!!!

BUY it now for $49.98 only!

tempted to buy one of these to see if it works;)
if they can get a 7800 GS working.. i bet this would work.. 2006 technology..
would be a perfect match for my Asus P5PE-VM but the icing on the cake would be
if it were to be powermac g4 or g5 compatibile ASWELL!


http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/midlow_range_gpus.html

Quote
Specifications:

    GPU: 7600GT
    Memory: 512MB GDDR2
    Bus Interface: AGP 4X / 8X
    Bus Width: 128 bit
    GPU Clock: 400Mhz, Memory Clock: 532Mhz
    Output: DVI, VGA, TV-out
even if this one is only 400mhz clock..
made in july 2006.. vs 2004.. no contest?
i think the performance of this would be close to that of a GT210 gpu

« Last Edit: February 14, 2014, 07:09:35 PM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2014, 03:50:01 PM »
apparently the 2006 white imacs had a BTO option of the same 7600 GT geforce graphics!
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac-core-2-duo-2.16-24-inch-specs.html
Quote
Video Card:    
GeForce 7300GT    
VRAM Type: GDDR3
Details:
NVIDIA GeForce 7300GT default graphics processor with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM using PCI Express
-or-
GeForce 7600GT with 256 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM also available at the time of purchase for an additional US$125.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2014, 03:53:04 PM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2014, 03:55:48 PM »
XFX Geforce 7800 GS (the radeon 9800 killer 8))


wonder how loud the fan is.....
and if it works with an ati silencer cooler
« Last Edit: February 12, 2014, 04:03:24 PM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2014, 02:03:43 AM »
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/Radeon_9700PRO_OEM/




some info on what japamac says is the only OEM apple card that ever supported core image

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2014, 07:28:04 AM »
re: 6200 + 6800 not being compatible with mdd:
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/xfx-6200-agp
Quote
•Currently the most popular video card for the G4 Cube and one of the most modern video cards available for it. Cubes are limited by the 2x AGP slot and PSU power so this is as far as we have been able to go. (The 6600 series did not work)
Quote
•Caution: This card is known to not work properly in the G4 Mirror Door (MDD) Mac.
anothr reference to this fact on this page ^^^ this is an agp card of course
but im curious if its that SPECIFIC manufacturers version of the card rather then the entire geforce 6xxx series that would be incompatible with an mdd..

i would have to buy
http://www.ebay.com/itm/256MB-VIDEO-CARD-GEFORCE-6200-DDR2-PCI-VCG62256PPB-/360857500745?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item5404c87c49
one of these to test the theory.. is it worth 20$ to me?? hmm

Quote
Chipset Manufacturer: NVIDIA
GPU: GeForce 6200
Core Clock: 350MHz
PixelPipelines: 4
Memory
Effective Memory Clock: 533MHz (effective)
Memory Size: 256MB
DirectX 9
OpenGL 2.0
RAMDAC
400 MHz
Max Resolution
2048 x 1536@85Hz
Cooler
Fanless
Operating Systems Supported
Microsoft Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP, or Vista

if only the one i found for 5$ near me was pci instead of agp i could test;)
why do i care? well 533mhz is a helluva lot faster clock then 300mhz! regardless of connection type pci/agp

« Last Edit: February 13, 2014, 07:31:47 AM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2014, 10:29:19 AM »

http://www.s155158671.websitehome.co.uk/x850xtcoolerinam.html
x850 installed in an mdd at the expense of 2 ram slots

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2014, 05:38:08 PM »
http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/geforce-6200.html

just found this page.. stating that a geforce 6200 can work for booting into mac os 9..
its talking about a 128/256mb version the card i just nabbed is a 512mb so it may not have any joy trying to make it work with a powermac g4.. but i got it because its also compatible with the hackintosh builds referenced above... and i can use it on my Asus P5PE-VM 2006 mobo which as ive said before i plan to use either for win98se (Because of its compatibility with that os) and also as a 10.5.8 intel leopard box to fully explore the cusp of ppc/intel compatibility... !

Quote
The GeForce 6200 can be used on a Mac running OS 9, but with no acceleration and with limited resolution settings.

could this card realy be a card that will work in all scenarios with semi-decent performance?
> mac os 9
> mac os x
> hackintosh intel
and also:
> win 98SE/ME
> Windows 7 32/64bit
> Windows Vista 32/64bit
> Windows XP 32/64bit

heres the actual card i got:
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=512-A8-N403-LR
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8b3h2mb9OhEJ:www.gpureview.com/geforce-6200-agp-card-192.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a
« Last Edit: February 14, 2014, 05:42:02 PM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2014, 07:40:32 AM »

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sightings,432.html

heres an article on variants of the geforce 4 ti 4600 pc cards (most of which can probably be flashed)


the green lines are comparable to a geforce ti4600..
this bench, altho conducted on a pc using xp shows the speed difference from a 7500 or 8500 radeon
the geforce 2mx would obv be less then the gefroce 4mx -- so u can see this card is 2-3 times more powerful
then those oem mac cards that came with the mdd + quicksilver

this benchark chart reflects what mactron said about these nv25 powered card being noticably faster for using os9
« Last Edit: February 16, 2014, 05:02:05 AM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
Re: graphic card compatibility + reusability matrix (ppc vs hackintosh)
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2014, 03:39:30 PM »
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/asus-v8460

Quote
Target Mac

Tested and worked on Power Mac G4 Gigabit Ethernet, Digital Audio, Quicksilver 2001, Quicksilver 2002, MDD, FW800.
Comments

Found one issue with changing DVI cable to D-Sub or back, if card at work (power on) after re-plugging cable the monitor will be offline. After restart worked normal. Tested in Mac OS 9.2.2 (Full support, DVD Deinterlacing, 2D/3D Accelerating) and Mac OS X 10.2 - 10.4 - works great without any Kernel Extensions modification. Not hot as 9800, but not fast as 9700/9800. No Core Image support. Don't use the NVFlasher from Graphiccelerator. It will completely broke rom file, so you need to reflash it from PC. Do not try to mod this card to Quadro4 900 XGL - it's will not working under Mac OS X even if you hack Kernel Extensions support.

found this page making refernec to the asus Ti4600 pc version.. and the 900 XGL Nvidia... from even what he says here it seems the 900 XGL is a success to use on the mac.. it also says that this asus card is usable on the mac without flashing the rom !!!
with many able to be found at a lower price then ti4600 this is very cool;)
so there we have it.. the best performing card for mac os 9 with proper drivers

look for:
geforce4 ti 4600
asus v8460
quadro4 900 XGL
« Last Edit: February 16, 2014, 05:04:32 AM by chrisNova777 »

supernova777

  • Guest
http://www.ebay.com/itm/326797-001-HP-VIDEO-NVIDIA-QUADRO-FX2000-AGP-8X-2000-FX-DUAL-DVI-CARD-128MB-128M-/190993504872?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2c78199a68



here i have found a large number of dual DVI Quadro FX 2000 cards for sale for 10$ each

if u review the specs of these cards they are comparable to the radeon 9800 pro area of performance
http://www.gpureview.com/quadro-fx-2000-card-338.html

if they could be made to work in a mac that would be quite the deal.. 10$ ;)
since it is a n agp 8x card it would need pins 3+11 taped to work in a g4 but not in a g5
..again.. thats if this card can be made to work..
acutally that might be a bad idea s its the nv30 gpu chip
the same chip as the geforce 5800 which had a really bad reputation for being a really really noisey fan
and crappy performance

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qspdnAYiiug" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qspdnAYiiug</a>heres an example.. lol

supernova777

  • Guest
this post is missing the graphics that were originally posted at the top original thread
it doesnt make alot of sense without these charts that i (painstakingly) created.. ***fixed

ok ive located the files on my own server
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/_img/gfx/graphicsChart_byCoreClock.PNG
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/_img/gfx/graphicsCardsChart_byGBs.PNG
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/_img/gfx/graphicsChart_byReleaseDate.PNG

http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/geforce-6200.html
here is a report of being able to use mac os 9 with the geforce 6200 however this card
doesnt work with the gigabit ethernet/quicksilvers/mdd's which leaves only the sawtooth + cube
that are able to use this 6200 nvidia.. reports from lowendmac say it DOES INDEED work on mac os 9!!!
and its described as "the best + most popular" choice of card replacement for the cube
« Last Edit: October 17, 2014, 12:56:04 PM by chrisNova777 »

Offline MacTron

  • Global Moderator
  • Platinum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1918
  • keep it simple
here is a report of being able to use mac os 9 with the geforce 6200 however this card
doesnt work with the gigabit ethernet/quicksilvers/mdd's which leaves only the sawtooth + cube
that are able to use this 6200 nvidia.. reports from lowendmac say it DOES INDEED work on mac os 9!!!
and its described as "the best + most popular" choice of card replacement for the cube

I have to tell it once again:

no acceleration = no video card

Quote from: http://lowendmac.com/
The GeForce 6200 can be used on a Mac running OS 9, but with no acceleration and with limited resolution settings


Please don't PM about things that are not private.

supernova777

  • Guest
no video card??
lol you are taking my video card? ;D

what does this word mean to you mactron? "accelleration"
it means to make something faster..
it still works.. but without accelleration.. thats what the guy says!
but it still works fine... accelleration is just accelleration..
yes its "nice to have" obviously for you.. its a "must have"

the way i see it..  accelleration is "driver tweak" for "Best possible performance"
but the geforce 6200 "core clock" functionality is already "good" without accelleration..

***i have a geforce 6200 AGP card. thats why i was looking at this information.
i am reading this info with the intention of testing it out..

and this belief was shared by "japamac" who deeply investigated this issue
but his focus was probably moreso on X.. but he did mention that these advanced cards worked in
9...  so this means that he tested it out aswell...
you dont think he wouldnt "report" if it was poor performance?

why else would this 6200 be the cube owner "go to" pick of a card..
due to combination of size + performance.. thats why..
for sure many cube owner use both 9+X...

but im not looking to fight today;) so, you win.. LOL ;D

supernova777

  • Guest
ok wait.. i see now "limited resolution settings"
maybe this is not so desirable  :o

ATI RAGE 128 GL "accellerated"

 vs

any card "unaccellerated"

i take it you believe "accelleration" is so important that
this lowly ati rage card "with accell" is better then anything with 3-4x its core clock "unaccellerated"?

accelleration = "to make it a bit faster" --- is one thing --- that i can live without
proper driver support "limited resolutions settings" -- for me thats a deal breaker.

supernova777

  • Guest
if only we were all in the same room, with a g4 sawtooth, an mdd, a radeon 9800, a geforce 6200, a radeon 8500 + geforce ti .. with some tape ;D we could finally put this issue to rest hahaha ;D

Offline Apfel

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 35
Supernova, I have a question regarding your chart.

Almost every card you list is listed without the OS9 column checked "yes". But from japamac's list every card is compatible with OS 9 as well as OS X. I think I just don't understand your chart. Please explain :)

Offline Protools5LEGuy

  • Global Moderator
  • Platinum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2059
Chart is for Mac OS X on PowerPC .

On Mac OS 9 the chart is on other post. In plain: GeForce 4 Ti and Radeon 8500/9000/9200/9250

Looking for MacOS 9.2.4