minor EMILF: bus to bus IDE cable?

[IIO]

in case this shit does not fit into a quicksilver or MMD:



are there special IDE cables which just replicate the bus? blue to blue and male to female? or how do you do it?

[IIO]

btw, you can buy those dual SATA converters for € 1,67 plus tax in germany. i´ve just ordered 8 pieces.

[IIO]

and IDE cables for 12 cents. this is hilarious.

[FBz]

How tall are those things, and added to the top of the ACARD?
Are you going to leave the case open?

[peeperpc]

I don't know if there is a finished product like that but I made one to extend my MDD's optical drive cable to reach the ATA 66 connector on the board. Each pair of the wires has to be twisted to keep the destination pins the same.

The principle is the same as this product: http://www.cablesonline.com/644fetomaide.html





Things that are used are two female 40-pin IDE connectors, a male to male 40-pin adapter and a piece of 40-wire ribbon cable. The ATA/SATA adapter is in the image for reference.

[peeperpc]

This one probably produces the same effect by just flipping one of the connector?
https://aliexpress.com/i/32862098113.html

[IIO]

beside the insecurity if and how wires pins would have to be reorganised, what baffles me most is that if you want to buy such an extension cable (which are male to female already) is that they have only 40 wires. shouldnt it be 80? i mean, we are talking about ATA 100 and 133.

those dual cards where both SATA connectors are going in the same direction could be such a nice cable-free solution, but the construction almost hits the fan already without the SATA cables attached.

[peeperpc]

From this diagram which I still don't fully understand. It looks like the locations of the 80 "prongs" make it impossible to easily rearrange them to keep the original pinout.



BTW, a multimeter with continuity test is your friend.

those dual cards where both SATA connectors are going in the same direction could be such a nice cable-free solution, but the construction almost hits the fan already without the SATA cables attached.

How much space is left? These angled ultra-slim sata cables may help.

[IIO]

good find, these are at least 2 mm less tall than mine.

and i like these transparent one a lot, they re more flexible than the red ones. and should be totally ok for 133 and 150 attached.

[IIO]

found one. they seems to be quite rare, but they do exist. even with a blue connector, as a little hint how it may be used.

one should also use something like this for the controller(s) on the mobo. it can become quite dangerous to plug adapter cards directly into the buses, even if you no longer have 3.5" units flying around in your mac.

[teroyk]

btw, you can buy those dual SATA converters for € 1,67 plus tax in germany. i´ve just ordered 8 pieces.

Any link?

[IIO]

https://cablematic.com/de/products/ata-adapter-sata-hdd-1xata-2xsata-hdd-DM035/#extra_product_info

[IIO]

https://cablematic.com/de/products/ata-adapter-sata-hdd-1xata-2xsata-hdd-DM035/#extra_product_info

9,50 euro shipping from spain for up to 10 different products, no matter how much.

sometimes you find there factory outlet / retour / b-stock articles for 10 cents instead of 8 euro.

of course then you buy stuff you dont need, but hey, it was cheap.

recently ordered 500 pieces of whatnot from them.

[IIO]

crap, now the acard stopped working under OSX.

[IIO]

solved.

if you plug two SATA adapters into the ACARD but one of them does not have the power connected, the whole PCI card is not recognized.



btw. as you said, i will have to solder the power connector cables. the floppy power plug makes the construction too high. the card(s) itself is exactly as high as a regular PCI card, and the 3mms for a super slim SATA connector is also availabe.

it is just the power which is in the way (and you really dont want the main fan to devour that)

[IIO]

after removing the speaker, so that i could look inside the closed computer, i found that you can even leave the power connector as is.

it is very close, but safely doable! no extra nonsense required!

i estimated this differently before and thought it must be like 10 mm less than it actually is.

however, this install is not compatible with cutting off the grating of the main fan.


using a dual adapter on an IDE PCI card was the last round of my testing series... involving 6 different adapter types and all possible connection methods in a QS.

these funny chinese adapters from spain have no manual at all, but the boards look really clean* and well organised and they have the right control LEDs in the right places.
 
 
on the packaging it says: "when connect with device, please make sure to verify the master and slavery"

whatever that means - because there is no master and slave for SATA - and the adapter itself should, to my understanding, automatically appear to its IDE host as two devices, 0 and 1.

but it also means that we have a new code name for them: the "slavery adapter".
 
 
 *) unlike the horizontal "cheap" adapter boards which usually consist of more glue than PCB.

[FBz]

“One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas.
How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.” - Groucho Marx

Pictures of your various installation(s) und adapters… might be nice.

[IIO]

since i am too short on money for buying SSDs just for the fun i.e. where not required, my personal quicksilver setup will now be a compromise of all the different worlds:

1x ATA 100 (board)
 - single slavery or ADP adapter
 --- 4TB HDD 3,5"
 - single slavery or ADP adapter
 --- 4TB HDD 3,5"

1x SATA (Sonnet Seritek 1s2)
 --- 2TB SSD
 --- 2TB SSD

2x ATA 133 (ACARD)
 - dual slavery adapter
 --- 2TB HDD 2,5"
 --- 2TB HDD 2,5"
 - dual slavery adapter
 --- 2TB HDD 2,5"
 --- 2TB HDD 2,5"

the 2,5" HDD is only 120mb/s but i dont think it makes a relevant difference to a consumer SSD on the same controller (and costs 30% of it. and you can put it on reduced power mode)

i will lead the power cable out of the front so that the 4 small HDDs can be turned off when not in use for a while.

if i throw out the UAD (or the third monitor) i could repeat the slavery game one more time and upgrade to 12 internal disks.

[IIO]

i know, and i am sorry but i have nothing to make proper photos.

my not-in-use smartphone could, but it can for some reason no longer connect to my laptop or mac mini.

when i am finished with the cabelling and all i will try to catch up on it.

How tall are those things, and added to the top of the ACARD?

together they are exactly as high as a regular PCI card. coincidence?

[Protools5LEGuy]

my not-in-use smartphone could, but it can for some reason no longer connect to my laptop or mac mini.

Mactron showed that FTP server "App" on smartphones is the fastest way to exchange files Smartphone<>MacOS9

1x ATA 100 (board)
 - single slavery or ADP adapter
 --- 4TB HDD 3,5"
 - single slavery or ADP adapter
 --- 4TB HDD 3,5"

1x SATA (Sonnet Seritek 1s2)
 --- 2TB SSD
 --- 2TB SSD

2x ATA 133 (ACARD)
 - dual slavery adapter
 --- 2TB HDD 2,5"
 --- 2TB HDD 2,5"
 - dual slavery adapter
 --- 2TB HDD 2,5"
 --- 2TB HDD 2,5"

Do 4 TB drives work on PowerMacs?

Do we had 2 TB partition limit or did we break that limit?

Can boot Mac OS 9 a 2.2TB partition?