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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2021, 07:50:24 AM »
Thank Classilla dev for the Composer view that makes replying to everything so much easier :)

because in OS9, there is a desktop folder in every mounted volume, and their content simply gets combined depending on what volumes are mounted.

only the background image and the icon order might shapeshift. :)

Hmm that's interesting... I wonder if that's got something to do with an oddity I came across the other day: I bring downloads to the iBook with the USB stick because browsing through pages and pages of content is franky much easier on a big screen and a scroll wheel. I put the USB drive in, and moved some .sit file to the desktop. I unpacked it and installed the software. I can't remember what exactly happened, but since then, I had that .sit file disappear from the desktop whenever I unmounted USB drive, and reapper whenever I plugged it again! I thought it was really strange because I'm so used to thinking that a USB drive contains everything inside of it like a folder, never outside. Anyway, I deleted that ghost when the USB stick was plugged in so it's gone now. The only somewhat similar thing I've seen in OSX is that if you delete files from a USB stick and unmount it, then empty the trash, that'll only delete the trash that came from the computer's internal hard drive, but the trash from the USB drive will still be in the trash the next time you plug it in. Must be related to stuff that's normally hidden from the user's view.


the main reason why people didnt know that and didnt made use of it 25 years ago was that on a mac you normally did not create moe than one partition. the saying was "we dont need that like they do it on windows", but of course it is possible and it can have benefits.
I actually didn't see the obvious reason for it until SSDs: You wanted your OS onto the SSD, but couldn't afford it for storage. And well, the necessity of partitions are obvious if you need to install multiple systems onto the same machine, or you need to keep stuff apart for security reasons. But it strikes me as quite modern: Hard disk space was very expensive for quite a long time! I know a person who boasts about the time when he bought an iPod to use as an external hard drive because it was cheaper than buying an external hard drive that's actually sold as such!

in fact it is super easy to handle OS9 systems, because "the system" actually only consists of the content of this one folder and the PRAM settings, which are an insignificant trifle.
Where are the PRAM settings physically stored, actually? I have all that stuff ahead of my at some point because this iBook is having a clock issue, and it's a bit tedious to sync manually every time I boot up. It's the kind of tedious thing that you might typically automate with Applescript, but I'm yet to look into the Applescript of the OS9 era. I learned Applescript on an Intel machine, I have translated some bits for a PPC OSX (translated, because it's not all identical), so I expect OS9 to also have its slightly different terminology.


A bit of both actually, with the addition of ‘there’s not a lot of maneuvering room’. Given the snug innards of a laptop I remember it was a bit of a challenge to get things settled in just right so it all fit properly.

Ow. Well I hope it's the kind of stuff that doesn't risk causing weak points (cracks) to the main body. I'll definitely look up a lot of step by step articles with images before I even start. Macrumors forums has some experts who've done this a lot. Who's made a nice article with images is another thing.


For the records, Mac OS 9 got a "Multiuser Environment"! Personally I never used it, and I do not know anybody who does. But it is as simple usable as everything else of Mac OS 9 if you really would like to give it a try.
I think I saw it in extensions when disabling everything that didn't sound relevant...

About the desktop … Imagine, for complicated projects, you have other mass storage, mount them at a later point and by mounting the media, several folders (from anywher eint he folder hirachy) with the explicit position pop up and you can work in a defined "environment". And that independently from the OS and machine your are on, just stored at the media themselves! A working philosophy that no other OS offers!
Oh wow. I think I saw that in action somehow (see the beginning of my comment), and also, I couldn't help but notice that if I restart the computer after installing something, it unexpectedly opens all the Finder windows back. But I'd love to see a practical application of using this feature to work on complicated projects.

BTW, to all, do not forget to rebuild the desktop database on a regular basis, means once a month or similar!
What's that? Or alternatively: Are there any handy articles on starting out with OS9 that contain the *bare necessities* of what everyone should know when starting so they don't mess things up? An article that includes this concept. Whenever you're new to something, massive volumes of information are hard to approach because you don't know what of it is absolutely essential to know, and when.

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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2021, 01:47:41 AM »
I had that .sit file disappear from the desktop whenever I unmounted USB drive, and reapper whenever I plugged it again! I thought it was really strange because I'm so used to thinking that a USB drive contains everything inside of it like a folder, never outside.
That's exactly the same feature! When you just move out any file/program from any storage to your desktop, you move it in reality to the desktop folder at your storage, and all these active storage medias desktop folders get displayed at your desktop.

Where are the PRAM settings physically stored, actually?
It is a real RAM (small one) at your mainboard, driven by the battery.

I have all that stuff ahead of my at some point because this iBook is having a clock issue, and it's a bit tedious to sync manually every time I boot up. It's the kind of tedious thing that you might typically automate with Applescript,
Not necessarily. Just go go your Date/time extension and tell your mac to ask the time-server at bootup. But get a well working PRAM battery one day.

Oh wow. I think I saw that in action somehow (see the beginning of my comment), and also, I couldn't help but notice that if I restart the computer after installing something, it unexpectedly opens all the Finder windows back. But I'd love to see a practical application of using this feature to work on complicated projects.
OK, imagine you have a software-translation project with 1000 files (in several subfolders). The quest is that the translated files and the whole folder structure have to have the same names as the original ones. So you need a folder with the original stuff, a folder with the original files still to translate, a folder with the file in progress, a folder with the already translated original files, one folder with the translations already done, and a folder mixed with the done translations and the rest in original, for checking how the translations get displayed.
When you work like me, you like to do it visually, you need that folders opened, but of course you do not like to have them opened all the time, when you are not working on your translations. So you put the stuff to an extra HD that is off usually or at a DVD-RAM. When you like to go on with translations, you mount the HD, the 6 folders pop up, nicely arranged like you work best, and that are all visable (e.g. below your program windows), and you can easily work on where you stopped a few days ago.

What's that? Or alternatively: Are there any handy articles on starting out with OS9 that contain the *bare necessities* of what everyone should know when starting so they don't mess things up?
Hold the keys COMMAND - ALT - P - R at bootup.

Sadly I have no "beginners guide" in English. What you are searching is this pdf, but sadly it is only German. http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,2655.msg15924.html#msg15924

We should create something in English, ...

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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2021, 05:40:39 AM »
Multiple Users in OS9: If you work in a an environment that requires machines to be password protected at boot, you can enable this as an easy way to satisfy that requirement.
I guess most of use here are in the multi-Mac user category rather than multi-user Macs.

Files on the desktop: Just do a File:Get Info to find out where it's really stored.


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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2021, 02:36:30 PM »
I have all that stuff ahead of my at some point because this iBook is having a clock issue, and it's a bit tedious to sync manually every time I boot up. It's the kind of tedious thing that you might typically automate with Applescript,
Not necessarily. Just go go your Date/time extension and tell your mac to ask the time-server at bootup. But get a well working PRAM battery one day.
I've set it to "automatically, when the system clock is different from the time server" but it doesn't seem to correct the time on its own, I always have to go to Date & Time > Server Options > Set Time Now. And that's tedious. So if there's a way – software or Applescript – to force that sync as I boot, that would be great. For convenience, I plug the ethernet cable in before switching the computer on, so it's not about the lack of connection. I don't see a setting for syncing the time at bootup.

OK, imagine you have a software-translation project with 1000 files …
Thanks for the explanation. Let's see if I find myself needing that feature some day. It's certainly new!

Hold the keys COMMAND - ALT - P - R at bootup.
Oh wow, that sure sounds like something that OS X machines have too. What are the symptoms if this isn't done regularly? I'll have to think of a way to actually remind myself...

Sadly I have no "beginners guide" in English. What you are searching is this pdf, but sadly it is only German.
We should create something in English, ...
Ahh, what a shame indeed. I know several languages, but I've never studied German, other than to know what very specific search terms to use on German eBay :-) So I recognise reams of very odd and specific words but can't follow ordinary sentences. Auto-translators can do a bearable job when translating between Germanic languages (which the De-En pair is) and it's often enough to give you the idea of the contents. On the other hand, it can sometimes reverse meanings completely, and it probably doesn't work very well when translating text with a specialist vocabulary such as computer terminology where it really matters which specific term you use. I mean, it's silly but I'm completely lost if I try to use a computer in my native language, I'm so used to this vocabulary being in English!

If you work in a an environment that requires machines to be password protected at boot, you can enable this as an easy way to satisfy that requirement.
It's hard to imagine a situation where this would be necessary now that these machines are mere collectibles and by far outdated in terms of safety standards. But back then, of course.

Files on the desktop: Just do a File:Get Info to find out where it's really stored.
Right! Yeah, what mostly concerned me about the situation was to be sure that I don't put away something that I think is just unmounting when in reality it's proper deleting.

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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2021, 06:30:44 PM »
I have all that stuff ahead of my at some point because this iBook is having a clock issue, and it's a bit tedious to sync manually every time I boot up. It's the kind of tedious thing that you might typically automate with Applescript,
Not necessarily. Just go go your Date/time extension and tell your mac to ask the time-server at bootup. But get a well working PRAM battery one day.
I've set it to "automatically, when the system clock is different from the time server" but it doesn't seem to correct the time on its own, I always have to go to Date & Time > Server Options > Set Time Now. And that's tedious. So if there's a way – software or Applescript – to force that sync as I boot, that would be great. For convenience, I plug the ethernet cable in before switching the computer on, so it's not about the lack of connection. I don't see a setting for syncing the time at bootup.

Do you think that may be because the setting is stored in… wait for it....................................... PRAM? ;D

Get a battery!

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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2021, 08:03:42 PM »
What are the symptoms if this isn't done regularly?

you dont need to do that regulary, only when something went wrong and 2 reboots are not enough to fix clock, mouse, or startup volume.

you should also do it when you get a new mac from a stranger and it does not boot.
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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2021, 08:35:37 PM »
What are the symptoms if this isn't done regularly?

you dont need to do that regulary, only when something went wrong and 2 reboots are not enough to fix clock, mouse, or startup volume.

you should also do it when you get a new mac from a stranger and it does not boot.

I strongly disagree! When people start to play with their new machines, install a lot of stuff, download tons of files, heavily move things around, and much more, they should rebuild the desktop every few weeks to keep problems away. Also everybody should rebuild the desktop at least every 3 months in my opinion. It doesn't hurt, is done in within a minute and solves a lot of issues instead of "fixing real problems" when the machine is fucked up, …

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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2021, 11:41:29 PM »
Mat, Mat, Mat……

Read again and you will see I'm talking about why the Date/Time settings are disappearing…

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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2021, 01:59:53 AM »
Gary, it seems you are as confused as I am  :o In fact my posting has nothing to do with you. I did not disagree with you about the PRAM, but with IIO about Rebuilding the Desktop!

But of course IIO is unblameable, as I mixed the shortcuts (as we talked about PRAM as well) and posted the shortcut for clearing the PRAM instead of rebuilding the desktop!  :-[

So, yes, IIO is right, clearing the PRAM (COMMAND - ALT - P - R at bootup) is not necessary on a regular basis!
Rebuilding the Desktop (COMMAND - ALT at bootup), I still suggest to do it every month.

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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2021, 06:36:35 PM »
Mat, I think you a definitely more confused that I. So much in fact, that you deleted the last part of your post that said "It's up to GaryN to prove how he knows yada yada…"

Jeez…

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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2021, 10:39:17 PM »
Mat, I think you a definitely more confused that I. So much in fact, that you deleted the last part of your post that said "It's up to GaryN to prove how he knows yada yada…"

Jeez…
Hah!  I' m not!
That was the other thread! http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5999.msg44838.html#msg44838
 :P

I never delete anything later, without making an "EDIT:" notice.

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Re: Major issues with QuickTime
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2021, 11:34:51 PM »
Ohmigod……

110 + Mat + GaryN = Larry, Curly & Moe

This thread is officially DEAD!

Sorry Mat… I clearly need more coffee.