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« on: January 28, 2014, 09:51:31 AM »
http://www.powerlogix.com/products/g3_zif/

PowerForce G3  ZIF! 1.1ghz G3 /w 1MB L2 cache
http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/powerlogix/powerforce_g3/powerforce_g3_1.html

heard good things from one guy about this g3 being faster then most g4s!

The PowerForce G3 ZIF (Zero Insertion Force) is the super-fast, yet economical CPU upgrade for your "Beige" Power Mac G3, Blue and White G3's, "G3 All-in-One" education model, and the PowerMac G4 "PCI" (also known as the "Yikes" motherboard G4.) The PowerForce G3 ZIF uses IBM’s new PowerPC 750GX processor and operates up to 1.1 GHz.

PowerLogix opted for the IBM PowerPC 750GX for these upgrades, instead of the Motorola G4s, due to a bug we discovered in 2001 (not even Motorola knew about this bug..it even existed in their evaluation boards.) The 745x chip is incompatible with the Motorola bridge chip used on these motherboards. The bug can be worked around, but it requires significant extra circuitry, raising the cost of the product. For these older machines, we did not feel that this extra cost was justified. This extra circuitry creates a performance penalty -- slowing the system bus
from 100 MHz to 66 MHz. On the other hand, the PowerLogix G3 ZIF will run at
the native G3 bus speed of 100 MHz.

Although this ZIF model is a G3, make no mistake; it is a very fast performer. Remember, the only difference between a G3 and a G4 is Altivec. Altivec is a specialized vector processor and only a small number of specific software tasks in some applications actually utilize it. The majority of mainstream applications do not take advantage of Altivec. Even the Darwin kernel, at the heart of Mac OS X, is not optimized to use Altivec.

Unless you are using Altivec constantly, it is better to have a CPU that runs all tasks faster all the time, than a CPU that runs slower all the time, except for a few Altivec specific tasks.
In most real world tests, a G3 1.1Ghz ZIF upgrade outperformed a similarly priced G4 500 card by nearly 2:1. The PowerForce G3 ZIF offers the highest ratio of performance vs. price of any product available for the G3.

If you already have a large investment in your Power Mac G3, it makes economic sense to upgrade the processor rather than opting for G4 or G5 systems from Apple. With the removal of ADB, serial, and SCSI connections, Apple has eliminated all of the legacy ports on newer models. So you can keep your investment in peripherals as well.
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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2014, 01:58:02 PM »
Dane D. has told us he have the fastest G3 on MacOS9Lives
 
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=569.msg1495#msg1495
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2014, 03:22:14 PM »
yep this is the same cpu that he has!
benchmark at 622 geekbench2.. nuts;)

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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2014, 06:48:43 PM »
One benefit overlooked by many is the amount of electric power used to run PowerPCs. At full throttle, 1.1GHz, my G3 uses about 9 watts. The is far lees than a Intel/AMD chip running the same speed. Plus, it never gets hot, even running UT for an hour it rarely exceeds 110F. The one thing about G3 chips is that the FPU is weak. G4 chips are much better with AltiVec, they can run circles around G3s and equivalent Intel/AMD.

Think about this, I'm running a 14 year old design and still it surfs the internet, does Adobe creative apps and costs little to operate. Sure it can't do modern video or Flash well, but it does all the things I need swiftly and without a hiccup.

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2014, 07:56:57 PM »
One benefit overlooked by many is the amount of electric power used to run PowerPCs. At full throttle, 1.1GHz, my G3 uses about 9 watts. The is far lees than a Intel/AMD chip running the same speed. Plus, it never gets hot, even running UT for an hour it rarely exceeds 110F. The one thing about G3 chips is that the FPU is weak. G4 chips are much better with AltiVec, they can run circles around G3s and equivalent Intel/AMD.

Think about this, I'm running a 14 year old design and still it surfs the internet, does Adobe creative apps and costs little to operate. Sure it can't do modern video or Flash well, but it does all the things I need swiftly and without a hiccup.

Im right with ya Dane, for me, these computers were a big part of a creativity that was unrivalled with any personal computer other for whatever reason... i cant quite put my finger on it.
modern flash is going to go the way of the dinosaur anyway. flash was always processor + power hungry, I loved it very much it was my bread and butter I was a flash designer + programmer from the years 1999-2005.. 

to be quite honest websites are NOT designed in the manner that i designed them in anymore and im kind of upset about it. When i designed a site, i tried to make ti load as fast as possible + to step the content so you never have to wait.. and u always hvae something being "Given"... sites now are just stupidly designed...theres no playfull interactivity..  theres no intelligence towards preloading content while your viewing something else.. all that sort of approach went out the window.. the javascript is hugely ineffecient.. most of the code execution is collecting your data not providing you any value.. things changed from being server side processed to being client side processed.. and the content went to shit. it used to be amazing to browse the web and find interesting sites.. now. its all the same crap... uninteresting corporate junk crammed down your throat... no interesting visual flare like back in the times of mac os 9... (1999-2002)
it was a really creative time! things have changed for the better technologically.. but things have lost a bit of magic.. i cant explain it other then this is what we get when they create schools to pump out "Creative Designers" instead of the 'first-wavers'.. pioneers of any new trends always have a radically diffeernt unique magical approach compared to cookie cutter unenthused people who come next, just in it to get paid so they can get drunk on their indulgences.

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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2014, 05:15:50 PM »
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The processor holds its' own till FPU intense functions are needed. Compares favorably to a 1.25GHz G4. Beats a dual 867 Mirror Drive Door unit. The 450MHz G4 is last till FPU functions are in play. This cpu kicks ass in OS 9.2.2, holds its own in 10.4.6.

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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2014, 02:22:22 AM »
hey dane how did u insert all that html code above? does the forum convert html <> tags' to [] on the fly like that?

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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2014, 05:23:12 AM »
hey dane how did u insert all that html code above? does the forum convert html <> tags' to [] on the fly like that?
First off, I've been away because of personal issues, leave it at that, thanks. No, the response was hand-coded and pasted in. I hand-code in a plain text editor or Dreamweaver, if feeling lazy. Most forums support basic html or filtered html, sometimes the forums will support more advanced html but it is always better to keep things simple.

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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2014, 05:50:53 AM »
At full throttle, 1.1GHz, my G3 uses about 9 watts.

plus all the overhead of the power unit, the disks, PCI, firewire and so on. :)

a modern mini PC uses around 10-20 watts in total, where a G3 uses some 200.

and btw, i dont think that these 9 watts are when the processor is in use. 9 watts sounds more like when in sleep mode. a g3 processor requires around 50 watts when fully in use, which is about as much as a G4 eats, too.
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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2014, 06:01:21 PM »
At full throttle, 1.1GHz, my G3 uses about 9 watts.
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and btw, i dont think that these 9 watts are when the processor is in use. 9 watts sounds more like when in sleep mode. a g3 processor requires around 50 watts when fully in use, which is about as much as a G4 eats, too.
I am talking about the cpu, not the whole rig. The following table is taken from IBM's Datasheet for the 750GX RISC Microprocessor. I was 5 Watts off at full load.
Mode1.0GHzUnit
Core Voltage1.5Volt
Max. Power14.0Watts
Typical Power8.3Watts
Sleep6.0Watts
« Last Edit: October 08, 2014, 09:18:39 AM by MacTron »

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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2014, 10:18:43 AM »
For reference only and for those fans of G3 :)
 The following table is taken from Freescale's Datasheet for the G4 7448 RISC Microprocessor.
Mode1.0 GHzUnit
Core Voltage1.0Volt
Max. Power13.9Watts
Typical Power9.5Watts
Sleep6.0Watts

The 1.0 Ghz speed is for reference only, because this chip usually appears at 1.6/1.8/2.0 Ghz and there is reports of 2.2 Ghz working stable. At this speed the power consumption increases at 2X or 3X ratio.
Further more, this chip (as all of the G4's) have the powerful Velocity Engine and can work in Dual CPU Mode.

So G3 is good chip but G4 is better!

Another important thing to take into account is that G4 motherboard are far better than G3 Motherboards. (The Yikes G4 motherboard it is really a G3 motherboard...)
« Last Edit: October 08, 2014, 11:02:26 AM by MacTron »
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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2014, 04:36:06 PM »
I am talking about the cpu, not the whole rig.

yeah i guess i wasnt very clear.

well the power consumption of the CPU is not so relevant for ones economic values, because at higher CPU usage all other parts of the computer are using so much more energy.

so you can see it best at powerbooks where the difference is dramatic:

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA24638?viewlocale=en_US

you could say that it does not really matter if a g3/g4 processor uses 7, 9, or 12 watts, whata seems more interetsing is a proper energy saving mode and that you dont run apps all night long when you dont need them (typically games or "screensavers")

the real interest in power saving CPU has come with multi processor systems IMO. :)
 
but i dont really understand why you prefer the g3 over a g4 ... their power requriement is identically but the g4 is faster? or what did i miss?
 
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2014, 05:50:07 PM »
if the thread was about what is technically "better"
intel i7 cpu + motherboard is alot better then a g4  8)

the whole point of the thread is that
this cpu upgrade 'wipes the floor' with alot of g4 cpus
scoring higher then the quicksilver 933mhz..
ranking in 7th from "best" (best from the os9 originally booting cpus)
thats quite the accomplishment for a g3 built in 1999



big thank you to dane D for sharing his positive experience with this cpu

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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2014, 08:05:24 AM »
First things first, Geekbench can't run in Mac Os 9, so its results are not trusted for Mac Os 9 users. Second, it is very easy to fake Geekbench results: set the disk to check to a RAM disk and the overall system performance is increased.

Even I don't like the Geekbench results, let's take some of then that you have posted above:

PowerPC G3 (750GX) @ 1.1GHz

Integer Score:   804
Floating Point Score:  810
Memory Score: 242


PowerPC G4 (7455) @ 1.25 GHz

Integer Score:   888
Floating Point Score:  926
Memory Score: 549

The G3 results are what we can expect. There isn't a huge difference between a G3 and a G4. But the G4 can go further in to clock speed and overall system performance, plus Altivec and dual processors configurations...
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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2014, 08:20:05 AM »
if the thread was about what is technically "better"
intel i7 cpu...

LOL
intel i7 cpu !
LOL

faster, doesn't means better...

A dozen of 286 together with 22nm fabrication process and auto-overclock can't be called "better", just fast.
Better can be called some ARM based chips especially Apple ( A8).

Chis,even this is going off topic you have the right to reply if you wish, but I don't going to lose a second explaining about Intel CPUs...
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2014, 12:19:40 PM »
yes noone is saying a g3 is better then a g4...
the whole point of the thread was to look, for a moment, at the g3 powerlogix cpu that was made..
in limited edition, not everyone can have one..
but the thread, was just to know that it exists
there is no argument of what is better
we arent saying a g3 is better then a g4
we are looking at this chip and saying wow
look how far they pushed the g3. to the max..
its still not better then the best g4 OF COURSE
we all know this
no point in measuring

and your opinion about geekbench2 is just your opinion
i am happy to use it as as standard for all my computers as u know
i have had it on my signature for over a year and i am a registered user
and i paid for this program and im quite happy with it
im not so worried that it runs in mac os x..
it measures the processing power of the cpu..
u see i use many different os.
i use windows
i use linux
i use mac
i use geekbench on my pcs + my macs
a good number of people use this program
it is a standard.. im sorry that you dont like it
but your opinion will not change the fact that
i use this standard and so do alot of other people

i enjoy using different os..
i dont care to decide whats better
or force other people to believe what i believe

my interest of this chip was that i had a chance to buy one
and i didnt go through with it thinking a g3 1ghz was too weak
but to see that it outperforms a 933mhz quicksilver cpu.
i should have bought it.. ! there is a powerbook version of it aswell.
but, this was a limited edition cpu, available for a short time from a 3rd party

anyways.. enough;)
on to new topics ;)

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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2014, 11:43:48 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuCYHrSig94" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuCYHrSig94</a>

27:00 is where hes introducing the g3 b&W specs

29:30 he mentioned gigabit ethernet as a BTO for the B&W?? i guess this was accomplished via a pci card because ive never heard of a b&w g3 with gigabit ethernet.. i wonder which make+model pci card they used?

40:00 is where the machine shows up
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2014, 07:56:01 AM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuCYHrSig94" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuCYHrSig94</a>

At 55:00 demonstrates a G3 B&W server with MacOSX server serving OS9 and video to 50 iMacs! At 995$ the OS! NetBootin!
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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2014, 08:23:14 AM »
*MUST* have been a gigabit ethernet on the server.. wtf .. i want built in gigabit ethernet on my g3!

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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2014, 06:16:39 PM »
First things first, Geekbench can't run in Mac Os 9, so its results are not trusted for Mac Os 9 users. Second, it is very easy to fake Geekbench results: set the disk to check to a RAM disk and the overall system performance is increased.

Even I don't like the Geekbench results, let's take some of then that you have posted above:

PowerPC G3 (750GX) @ 1.1GHz

Integer Score:   804
Floating Point Score:  810
Memory Score: 242


PowerPC G4 (7455) @ 1.25 GHz

Integer Score:   888
Floating Point Score:  926
Memory Score: 549

The G3 results are what we can expect. There isn't a huge difference between a G3 and a G4. But the G4 can go further in to clock speed and overall system performance, plus Altivec and dual processors configurations...
I run OS 10.4.6 95% of the time, so for me it is a benchmark I can use. Am I happy with the performance I get, yes, especially since I only paid $50 bucks for the rig. It cost me more to pay for the shipping, I think $55 or $60. I agree with everybody here about the G4 and it's FPU and clock speed. For me, I wanted the fastest G3 I could get that runs Unreal Tournament and can boot into OSX.

I never turn the rig off, only re-boot into OS 9 to play UT, use my Adobe apps and ClarisWorks app for my MPG spreadsheet. I log all my vehicles gas purchases and mileage to figure per tank MPG, Cumulative  MPG, Cumulative Cost, Cumulative Gals., Cumulative Miles, Continuous MPG, Fuel Cost/Mile, Miles Driven and discount savings on gas purchases.

Having a dependable rig is important to me. I don't have the time to "tweak" so this aftermarket cpu is perfect for my needs. Besides, I like the look of the G3 better than the G4 and it is color coordinated with my computer room.

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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2014, 10:47:19 PM »
i love the powermac g3 because -- its a powermac g3! its the machine that changed everything!!! one foot in the past. one foot in the future!

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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2014, 03:47:43 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuCYHrSig94" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuCYHrSig94</a>

29:30 he mentioned gigabit ethernet as a BTO for the B&W?? i guess this was accomplished via a pci card because ive never heard of a b&w g3 with gigabit ethernet.. i wonder which make+model pci card they used?


We need to find those gigabit ethernet cards for the G3. I am afraid that maybe these card were the first ones only for OSX.
Looking for MacOS 9.2.4

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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2015, 07:08:02 AM »
Sonnet-Encore-ZIF-G4-1-0ghz
http://www.sonnettech.com/publicfiles/pdfs/pdf_datasheets/zif_datasheet.pdf

i wonder which would win :)

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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2015, 07:22:14 AM »
So the B&W G3 Server did not have built in Gigabit Ethernet. The BTO option was a pci add-on card.
I have one of the B&W G3 Server (the 450 MHz version).  I also have the Powerlogix cpu upgrade being discussed in it as well.
I do have to say that CPU upgrade is pretty awesome.  One of the cool things is you could change the clock speed on the fly without having to reboot or anything.  There was a utility that came with it to do this.  I did find that on my particular system if I went over 800 MHz though with that CPU it would become unstable and lockup a lot, but at 800 MHz it is rock solid and works great.
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Re: G3 B&W Users - anyone have this cpu upgrade? fastest g3 ever!
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2015, 11:11:51 AM »
Hello mates!

I am pretty interested in the 1.1GHz upgrade por the Yikes. Is it on sell only in eBay?