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Virtual PC with Linux
« on: May 09, 2020, 01:56:16 PM »
It seems that there really was released
Connectix Virtual PC With Red Hat Linux

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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2020, 02:01:51 PM »
It seems that there really was released
Connectix Virtual PC With Red Hat Linux

Cover:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mrsAAOSw0S5eth8i/s-l1600.jpg
back:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/R74AAOSwb7teth8H/s-l1600.jpg

Yes, you can install most distros of Linux or BSD using this app.

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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2020, 04:21:30 AM »
It seems that there really was released
Connectix Virtual PC With Red Hat Linux
Yes, you can install most distros of Linux or BSD using this app.

Yes, I have even installed Suse Linux 6 at that time, but I didn't find good way
to transfer files between OS9 and that Linux with Virtual PC.
But, my point is that there was even preinstalled pack for sale, so I wonder
if that had that better interaction between systems.

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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2020, 02:09:54 PM »
Debian Linux version 10.4.0 i386 tested to install in Connectix Virtual PC. Cannot install, but you can not install it to real Pentium PC  either :D
Yes you read right...Debian Linux has dropped support for Intel 386-686 CPUs some years ago.
btw. you can boot PPC Mac with older Debian Linux PPC, but ofcourse we don't want to.

Somethings I noticed when testing:
- Virtual PC 2.1.3 is absolutely lowest version that works in Mac OS 9.
- Virtual PC 6.0 in Mac OS 9.2.2 doesn't support booting from DVD, although OS X version does.
- I want know what was in:  ftp://linuxadditions:password@care.connectix.com/users/linuxadditions
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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2020, 12:32:23 AM »
It seems that there really was released
Connectix Virtual PC With Red Hat Linux
Yes, you can install most distros of Linux or BSD using this app.

What distros?

Now tested:
Debian 8.11.1
Last version that should support Pentium II MMX (that is what Connectix Virtual PC emulate)
Not install, hang when first time try to write to HD in installation.
I am too lazy to bug report, this version has LTS support to july 2020.

Debian 6.0.10
I think this has same problem that 8.11.1

Debian 5.0.10
Kernel panic very beginning installation. Some hardware 586 PC has that too.
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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020, 12:11:48 AM »
Debian Linux 3.0r6 works with Virtual PC.
Debian 3.1r8 or 4 not tested, because I don't find official CD2 ISO-image of them.
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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2020, 12:22:30 AM »
Debian 3.1r8 or 4 not tested, because I don't find official CD2 ISO-image of them.

New information:
Debian 3.1r8 (version from 2008!) first CD install, now almost works, but
where I find CD2 or official source DVD ISOs for that version?
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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2020, 03:31:08 PM »
Debian Linux 3.0r6 works with Virtual PC.
Debian 3.1r8 or 4 not tested, because I don't find official CD2 ISO-image of them.

What version of Connectix VPC you using ? Try version 4 or 5 - those emulate much higher processors.

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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2020, 12:27:36 AM »
Debian Linux 3.0r6 works with Virtual PC.
Debian 3.1r8 or 4 not tested, because I don't find official CD2 ISO-image of them.

What version of Connectix VPC you using ? Try version 4 or 5 - those emulate much higher processors.

All my Debian Linux tests are made with Connectix Virtual PC 6.0.2 for Mac OS 9.2.2. If somebody has newer update, I am interested in.
I put settings: Pentium II MMX, 512 MB RAM, S3 Trio 16 MB Vram, Sound Blaster 16, USB, Network
But I don't have files that has been at address: ftp://linuxadditions:password@care.connectix.com/users/linuxadditions

EDIT: btw. older Virtual PC versions might work better but as you said they emulate smaller PC. Virtual PC 3 has interesting feature to support 3dfx Voodoo card directly in your Mac PCI-slot, I haven't tested it.
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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2021, 07:35:27 AM »
I found interesting information about running Linux on Virtual PC:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060312140115/http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/linux.html
But it doesn't tell what Mac Virtual PC version.
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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2021, 08:31:05 AM »
Interesting information found from Virtual PC 4.0 manual:
"The disk image that ships with Virtual PC with Linux includes the Virtual PC Additions, which provide support for dragging the cursor between the Macintosh desktop and the Virtual PC window."
So do I really need special Connectix Virtual PC with Linux version for good integration between desktops?
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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2021, 10:11:34 PM »
For good integration between desktops, you need to have the virtualPC additions installed.
There is a menu to mount the disk image with these additions to install them.

However, as these are drivers, there is a chance it won't be as easy as running the install tool depending on the Linux distro and the kernel. Long-story short: they made an image back in the days to make it plug-and-play. Doing it with another Linux may require some more tinkering ;)
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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2021, 03:24:42 AM »
For good integration between desktops, you need to have the virtualPC additions installed.
There is a menu to mount the disk image with these additions to install them.

But problem is that with Connectix Virtual PC 6 has additions image VPCAdditions011123.iso and it only has additions for Windows (and this version has not additions for win3.1).

However, as these are drivers, there is a chance it won't be as easy as running the install tool depending on the Linux distro and the kernel. Long-story short: they made an image back in the days to make it plug-and-play. Doing it with another Linux may require some more tinkering ;)

Of course it needs more tinkering, but it would be easier that if we found ready made additions than make new drivers, I think http://www.connectix.com/connect/files/driver/ had information for make new drivers, but files is not in archive.org. Has somebody?

It seems that additions on Virtual PC with Linux had RPM-packed additions:
"Users who wish to install their own copy of Linux on a drive image should make sure that their distribution supports RPM (Red Hat Package Manager). Most major distributions include RPM, including Red Hat Linux, Linux Mandrake, and Debian. If the distribution does not include support for RPM, binaries can be downloaded from http://www.rpm.org/"
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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2021, 10:04:02 PM »
But problem is that with Connectix Virtual PC 6 has additions image VPCAdditions011123.iso and it only has additions for Windows (and this version has not additions for win3.1).

That is unfortunate that the ISO image does not have the additions for Linux. However, I would assume that these additions were fairly standard from one version to the other meaning that an older version of the additions ISO should still do the trick on a recent version of VirtualPC (in case they stopped providing the Linux driver).

The driver may need some love to build on a recent kernel but if the sources are available, it should be manageable. The problem will be if they provided only a binary version that won't load with a recent kernel...

Too bad that these additions did not make it into distributions like the virtualbox additions did.

If somebody can find the RPM or sources for the driver, that would be a good start !
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Re: Virtual PC with Linux
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2022, 12:02:13 PM »
I accidentally find page about Virtual PC 3 with Red Hat Linux from archive.org:
https://web.archive.org/web/20011031210837/http://www.connectix.com/products/vpc3_advanced.html
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