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Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« on: May 06, 2020, 06:30:43 PM »
Thank you Macos9Lives for your help
this is what I have collected for a clean install and super drive performance

I choose this approach for my personal setup for several reason
-minimal heat
-improved air flow
-crazy storage potential for a single 2.5" bay


Samsung Evo 860 M.2 Sata3 SSD
500GB3x even partitions
or 1TB with more partitions

SeriTek/1V4 Sata PCI Card
https://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1v4/

Startech "red" 4x M.2 3.5" Bay Adapter
https://www.startech.com/HDD/Brackets/4-M2-SATA-mounting-adapter~35S24M2NGFF



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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2020, 06:33:19 PM »
Will post final install and possible case mods when I get farther along
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2020, 06:37:56 PM »
Lookin’ pretty groovy so far! Interested to hear how it all turns out.😬

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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2020, 07:35:01 PM »
Thank you Macos9Lives for your help
this is what I have collected for a clean install and super drive performance

I choose this approach for my personal setup for several reason
-minimal heat
-improved air flow
-crazy storage potential for a single 2.5" bay


Samsung Evo 860 M.2 Sata3 SSD
500GB3x even partitions
or 1TB with more partitions

SeriTek/1V4 Sata PCI Card
https://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1v4/

Startech "red" 4x M.2 3.5" Bay Adapter
https://www.startech.com/HDD/Brackets/4-M2-SATA-mounting-adapter~35S24M2NGFF



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I did this something to my Pismo, except one M2 stick - I must say OS 9 flies and Tiger really flies now.. Tenfourfox opens fast and nicely,

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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2020, 02:02:59 PM »
Will post final install and possible case mods when I get farther along

why did you choose that luxury enclosure over using 2x 2,5" solutions?

& does it support mirroring?
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2020, 03:07:11 PM »
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why did you choose that luxury enclosure over using 2x 2,5" solutions?

As soon as I saw the 4x Startech bay I though
"that's for me"  = "exactly what I am looking for"

I choose this approach for my personal setup for several reason
-minimal heat
-improved air flow
-crazy storage potential for a single 2.5" bay
-reduces black spaghetti cable nightmare of external FW400 enclosures / storage solution

Keep in mind this PMG4 is going in a recording studio
next to the audio racks boxed in under the desk in my Control Room
Any item I can purchase that will help control temperature and fan noise is money well spent

When I plug a Ribbon Mic into a cranked Avalon Pre you can heard the difference between the signers ...stubble or beard.
THE JOKE is: MDD fans or the Control Room Air Conditioning 100% poop all over any open mic and WILL ruin a track

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& does it support mirroring?

not on its own...
works just like 4x independent m.2 ssd drive trays or holders
there is no circuit or interpretation to the m.2 drives
mainly a sexy mounting solution that allows for sexy m.2 drives
If you have software or a controller that will mirror  or raid independent of the bay holder then... yes.
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2020, 11:34:09 PM »
Thank you Macos9Lives for your help
this is what I have collected for a clean install and super drive performance

I choose this approach for my personal setup for several reason
-minimal heat
-improved air flow
-crazy storage potential for a single 2.5" bay


Samsung Evo 860 M.2 Sata3 SSD
500GB3x even partitions
or 1TB with more partitions

SeriTek/1V4 Sata PCI Card
https://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1v4/

Startech "red" 4x M.2 3.5" Bay Adapter
https://www.startech.com/HDD/Brackets/4-M2-SATA-mounting-adapter~35S24M2NGFF


Very nice. Did you just recently buy the SeriTek card? Did it take long to receive it? I read a few things about it taking a very long time with hardly any communication from the vendor. I haven't decided if I want a Sata PCI card yet. Any info would be appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2020, 12:03:46 AM »
here is my review

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5483.0.html

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Very nice. Did you just recently buy the SeriTek card? Did it take long to receive it? I read a few things about it taking a very long time with hardly any communication from the vendor. I haven't decided if I want a Sata PCI card yet. Any info would be appreciated. Thank you.
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2020, 04:25:24 AM »

-reduces black spaghetti cable nightmare of external FW400 enclosures / storage solution

i was just comparing it to two 2,5" units - which you could stick into the machine using tape or cable ties.

of course it is a super sexy solution. as you need only 2 of them, they will fit into an MDD easily. (in my experience at the front slots it is quite difficult to connect with SATA cables to a 3,5" something.)

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If you have software or a controller that will mirror or raid independent of the bay holder then... yes.

i was wondering about the 2 bays per bus because if it could do raid on its own, what would happen if you use raid modes from the seritek, too? :)

so its double bays are only useful to combine 2 1 TB cards if you still have them flying around instead of buying a new 2 TB card. kinda like non-raid spanning? never saw something like that until now.
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2020, 04:39:54 AM »
do PowerMac G4s not support a direct PCI->m.2 (or mSATA) or do you need to go PCI->SATA->m.2?
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2020, 05:31:49 AM »
good question. but are there many cards for PCI-X or PCI? for PCIe even specific "mac" cards start at 20 euros.
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2020, 05:55:30 AM »
ebay doesn't seem to have any pci-x m.2 or msata cards. And ebay thinks I mean "pcie m.2" when I type "pci m.2" (in quotes).  Maybe I'll have to look elsewhere.
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2020, 06:03:18 AM »
i just had the same experience with ebay classified. :)

probably there are 2 or 3 models, but they are hard to find when search engines always remove the - from "pci-x"
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2020, 10:51:35 AM »
m.2 sata3 is just sata3 with a different connector
m.2 evo 860 is the same a s a 2.5" drive evo 860 drive just plugs in different
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2020, 11:34:00 AM »
the difference is that you save some space when it is directly on the PCI card. so you can use 4 of those in addition to the 4 HDs. ;)
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2020, 11:40:19 AM »
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the difference is that you save some space when it is directly on the PCI card. so you can use 4 of those in addition to the 4 HDs

m.2 is very confusing

because there is two standards in the same m.2 format

m.2 * Sata
m.2 * PCIe some times called NVME

PCIE NVME is magnitudes faster / cheaper / possibly larger

Pcie is a M.2 that uses PCI architecture and the full modern PCI bus speed
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2020, 11:45:27 AM »
i´ve lost you. :)

Nymunariya is talking about a PCI card where you can directly mount whatever kind of SSD.

there are quite common for PCIe but we didnt find any PCI or PCI-X cards. do they exist?
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2020, 06:55:45 PM »
i´ve lost you. :)

Nymunariya is talking about a PCI card where you can directly mount whatever kind of SSD.

there are quite common for PCIe but we didnt find any PCI or PCI-X cards. do they exist?

that is what I am trying to say
m.2 PCIE/NVME is for PCIE motherboards and chipsets
these are only pin adapters as the drive itself speaks PCIE buss
these are very common you can get them all day long on amazon / ebay / wish for under $10

Drive on card PCIE or PCI sata is very UNCOMMEN
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2020, 03:06:52 AM »
hm, i still dont understand. :)

the most common is PCIe to m.2 / mkey (picture)

(what´s it do with nvme?)

the question is if there are PCI-X cards with the same functionality, too, so that you can use them in a G4.

or do these cards ONLY support nvme ssds?
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Re: Super Slick m.2 Sata Setup for G4
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2020, 05:39:30 PM »
That card only supports only PCIE (NVME) Drive and in a PCIE slot
it will require a special PCIE buss chipset / bios to boot
it require a special range or chipset / bios to recognize the drive

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