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List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« on: April 23, 2020, 08:47:05 AM »
Please post the Solid State Drives that were proven to work on Mac Os 9.
I'll start with the ones I know:

List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9

Samsung Evo 840  120Gb  (tested by myself)
Samsung Evo 840 EVO  120Gb  (tested by myself)
SanDisk Extreme PRO 240Gb (tested by myself)
Crucial MX500 (tested by torvan)
Crucial MX300 (tested by torvan)
OWC  Mercury Electra 3G (tested by FBz)
OWC OWCSSDMXLE480 Mercury Pro Legacy 480GB (tested by toasterking)
Samsung SM841 (tested by FBz)
LiteOn MU3  Model: PH6-CE120-G (tested by ssp3)
Plextor S3C  Model: PX-128S3C (tested by ssp3)

Dogfish Msata 128 GB (tested by toasterking)

KingSpec DOM (tested by Knezzen)
KingSpec PATA/IDE SSD (tested by Knezzen)

List of SSDs that DON'T works with Mac Os 9

Samsung Evo 850 DON'T works on Mac Os 9 (tested by DieHard)

Samsung Evo 860 "probably" DON'T works on Mac Os 9 (tested is needed)
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2020, 09:25:30 AM »
Works with OS 9:

OWC  Mercury Electra 3G
Samsung SM841


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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2020, 09:46:41 AM »
Can you boot to the OWC SSD? I'm in the process of restoring my dual 533 digital audio G4 running 9.2.2 and was looking at the upgrade. I have a SATA card for other internal storage, but I can only boot to my IDE drive.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2020, 09:48:08 AM »
YES, the OWC does boot with OS 9.
(Here anyway.)
It's on the IDE cable with a StarTech IDE/bridge in a Quicksilver.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2020, 10:53:08 AM »
hehe, i already had a textfile here with the same topic-to-do
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2020, 10:14:29 PM »
These two are of cheaper variety.

LiteOn MU3  Model: PH6-CE120-G (120GB)
Plextor S3C  Model: PX-128S3C (128GB)

Both tested by myself on DA/9.2.2, although not extensively. Both are bootable.
LiteOn was a bit quirky a couple of times and, I think I had one freeze, but I suspect that it was due to adapter used - the one that (S)ATAman dissapproves. I will order the slim one when this horror is over.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2020, 07:17:52 AM »
Thank you all, the list keep growing !  ;D
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2020, 10:38:58 AM »
I've been using the OWC drives...

the Legacy (with the built in bridge)  in a 1Gz TI and also a 1Gz 17"Alu (OS9'd)

Mercury Electra 3G and also I think the 6G in QS(933) and various 1.25 MDD's

 

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2020, 02:46:02 AM »
Just wanted to leave a "Thank you" for the list. Exactly the kind of I was looking for. Actually it would deserve a place on the website, really :-) ... will chip in my experience when I get around to do some more testing.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2020, 11:30:21 AM »
Should be much larger list.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2020, 08:47:25 AM »
KingSpec DOM
KingSpec PATA/IDE SSD
Generic PATA to mSATA adapter with generic mSATA SSD (I know, it's bad for statistics, but it works just fine)

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2020, 10:22:55 PM »

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I replaced IDE HDD to the Intel SSD (530 series / 120 GB) , it works GREAT, too
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2020, 07:10:44 PM »
1. Power Macintosh G4 Sawtooth (AGP graphics, 350 MHz), Sonnet Tempo SNT1S2 SATA 1 PCI card, Other World Computing OWCSSDMXLE480 Mercury Pro Legacy 480GB SATA SSD:  works perfectly in Mac OS 9.2.2.

2. iBook G3 Clamshell Blueberry (300 MHz), IDE-mSATA adapter with JMicron JM20330 chipset, Dogfish mSATA 128GB SSDworks perfectly in Mac OS 8.6; haven’t tried in 9.x.

3. Even older, but including it:  PowerBook 190, IDE-mSATA adapter with JMicron JM20330 chipset (same as in above iBook), Dogfish mSATA 128GB SSD (same as in above iBook):  fail in Mac OS 7.6 and 7.5.3.  Tried patched Drive Setup 1.5, patched Drive Setup 1.7.2, FWB Hard Disk Toolkit 3.0.  No disk recognized in any case.  Replaced the IDE-mSATA adapter with Ableconn IIDE-MSAT using Marvell 88SA8052 chipset; works perfectly in 7.6, 7.5.3, 7.5.5.  Stable with constant file copies for 2.5 hours, including to/from external SCSI Zip and CD-ROM.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2020, 05:20:32 AM »

JMicron JM20330 - that is what these widespread white cases from china are using

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2020, 09:16:51 AM »
i was too fast. he is talking about msata, not 2.
but same chipset and the dogfish ssds are available on all possible formats.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2020, 09:18:52 AM »
i was too fast. he is talking about msata, not 2.
but same chipset and the dogfish ssds are available on all possible formats.
And the "white case" thing threw me off a little, because mine came with a black case but is otherwise identical to your photo!

I updated my post with links to the mSATA adapters and SSDs I bought.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2020, 09:21:53 AM »
i never was aware that there are similar cases with msata - i am under the impression that msata is too modern and you wouldnt have any benefits from connecting that to ATA 100 - compared to m2.

as for the dogfish, the m2 versions are some 10% cheaper. :)

hopefully that combination (current dogfish series and JM chipset converter) will work no matter the format?

so i guess i will have to check my own. one dogfish m2 and one intenso m2 are on my to do list.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2020, 09:33:43 AM »
2. iBook G3 Clamshell Blueberry (300 MHz)...
3. Even older, but including it:  PowerBook 190...

It may be worth mentioning that the reason I selected 128GB SSDs for these models is because their onboard IDE controller can only address up to a 128 GB disk size.  And getting way off topic here, but... the PowerBook 5300 and 190 were released at the same time, both require System 7.5.2, and share the same case and many other components.  However, the 5300 famously has a ROM bug that limits it to 8.2 GB partitions (which I've personally confirmed) and the 190 does not seem to have that limitation.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2020, 09:37:11 AM »
size limit in old machine, yes, i guessed so.

your experience about OS7 vs 8.6 is quite interesting btw, it helps to get a feeling for what all can happen. :)
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2020, 06:26:18 AM »
Patriot Torch works fine in my MDD.

I have a Sawtooth with a Samsung 840 Pro that works fine with 8.1 as well.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2020, 05:53:38 PM »
Been doing drive shootouts over here  :-X

Tested So Far:

OCZ Agility 120MB 2.5" Sata3 SSD
Boots OS9 on $10 Ebay Ide /Sata adapter "green"
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4
*this drive is pretty darn fast

Monster Digital 120MB 2.5" Sata3 SSD
Boots OS9 on $10 Ebay Ide /Sata adapter "green"
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4
*good performance

Patirot Memory120MB 2.5" Sata3 SSD
Boots OS9 on $10 Ebay Ide /Sata adapter "green"
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4
*slow for an SSD hangs up on access but is very well used

Samsung Evo 850 128GB MSATA Sata3 SSD
Boots OS9 on Startech "red" IDE /sata 2.5" Bay adapter
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4 on China "black" 2.5" drive Case Adapter
*slower then its specs but still fairly fast
**this drive worked 50hours a week for years in my CF51 dyno tuning laptop


ScanDisk Generic M.2 Sata3 120GB SSD
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4 on Startech "red" 4x M.2 3.5" Bay Adapter
*fast with random hang on seeks events very usable
**drive was very used & super cheap on ebay as under 256GB m.2 are hard to find
***this drive in new condition may be stellar!

Samsung Evo 860 M.2 Sata3 500GB SSD 3x even partitions
Boots OS9 on SeriTek/1V4 on Startech "red" 4x M.2 3.5" Bay Adapter
*super fast in all applications boot time is under 40 sec with full ProTools Mix+ TDM / open transport / OMS

SeriTek/1V4 in most cases was about double the transfer rate and half the time to test as "green" budget IDE to SATA adapter

All tested on G4 MDD 1.25SP
all non SeriTek/1V4 test backed up on * 867DP MDD * 1GhzDP QS * 933SP QS *

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2020, 06:20:52 PM »
Pretty much most if not all M2 drives work
With OS 9 and X.. here is what I ordered for my Pismo and it’s a perfect fit.


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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2020, 07:36:35 PM »
Please post the Solid State Drives that were proven to work on Mac Os 9.
I'll start with the ones I know:

List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9

Samsung Evo 840  120Gb  (tested by myself)
Samsung Evo 840 EVO  120Gb  (tested by myself)
SanDisk Extreme PRO 240Gb (tested by myself)
Crucial MX500 (tested by torvan)
Crucial MX300 (tested by torvan)
OWC  Mercury Electra 3G (tested by FBz)
OWC OWCSSDMXLE480 Mercury Pro Legacy 480GB (tested by toasterking)
Samsung SM841 (tested by FBz)
LiteOn MU3  Model: PH6-CE120-G (tested by ssp3)
Plextor S3C  Model: PX-128S3C (tested by ssp3)

Dogfish Msata 128 GB (tested by toasterking)

KingSpec DOM (tested by Knezzen)
KingSpec PATA/IDE SSD (tested by Knezzen)

List of SSDs that DON'T works with Mac Os 9

Samsung Evo 850 DON'T works on Mac Os 9 (tested by DieHard)

Samsung Evo 860 "probably" DON'T works on Mac Os 9 (tested is needed)

What about any simple m2 sata stick, samsung, adata ? Are the above you mentioned M2 ? I am eyeing a samsung for 20.00 on ebay right now. full 128gb.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2020, 12:43:16 AM »
What about any simple m2 sata stick, samsung, adata ? Are the above you mentioned M2 ? I am eyeing a samsung for 20.00 on ebay right now. full 128gb.

try and report my friend! in many cases they should be technically identical.

Pretty much most if not all M2 drives work
With OS 9 and X.. here is what I ordered for my Pismo and it’s a perfect fit.

so you have tested most already and they worked? then why do you ask?
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2020, 12:48:34 AM »
Samsung Evo 850 128GB MSATA Sata3 SSD

first case where mSATA works and 2,5" not.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2020, 01:27:54 AM »
I only ever bought one IDE SSD, the:

Transcend 64GB IDE SSD TS64GPSD330 tested on G3 Clamshell (og Firewire)

  • OS9: formatted originally in OS 9(.1?), and booted without a problem.  Used it for roughly 2 years (then upgraded to larger mSATA).  Gamed with it. No problem.
  • OSX: would *not* boot.  It rarely got past trying to load drivers (from install cd, including Tiger DVD off PMG4MDD in FWDM), if I did wait long enough for it to time out (upwards of 40 minutes) it could never write to the drive. Or it would try and fail.  I even tried installing Tiger via Firewire disk mode, but all I remember is I never got Jaguar or Tiger to boot off that drive.  I don't know if it was the drive, or the fact that I formatted under OS 9.
  • Linux (Ubuntu Mate 14.04): booted nicely. Absolutely no problems--with booting.  Configuring Xorg was an adventure.

After upgrading to mSATA, I did not do any further testing with it, but I still have the drive.  I would like to test it on my Lombard G3 (for OS 8.6 and OS X).  And if everything works out, in two weeks I should have a 3400 that I could test OS 7 & 8 with.



As for mSATAs: (I apparently have a thing for them, but let's be honest, popping an mSATA out by just lifting the keyboard is really nice.  I don't want to go back to normal IDE drives.)

Kingston 120GB HDSSD mSATA 120GB mS200: currently in Clamshell iBook (since Feb 2017) with OS 9(latest) and OS X Jaguar.  Boot without a problem.

Samsung 500GB 860 EVO mSATA: (since Jun 2019) currently in G4 MacMini with OS 9(latest) & Mac OS X Tiger.  Boots nicely.

SunBow 128GB mSATA M3 Series: (since Mar 2017) currently in PowerBook G3 Pismo with OS 9(latest) & OS X Jaguar. Boots wonderfully.

Sunbow 32GB mSATA M1 Series: (since Jun 2019) my "OS tester".  Currently has partitions with Mac OS 8.6(untested), 9(latest), OS X Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger.  Tested on Clamshell iBook and G3 Pismo, both work flawlessly.
Update 1: currently installing Cheetah to test. Because that's what it's for.
Update 2: Cheetah failed to install.  After a reboot I tried to load Disk Utility, but it would not stop pinwheeling (aka spinning beachball), and I gave up for lack of patience.  I have not tried the install cd on another computer. 

Transcend 64GB mSATA SSD TS64GMSA230S (3D Nand): (Since Jan 2020) I own two.  One has a Void Linux install, other has a Debian Buster(?) PPC install.  Tested in Clamshell iBook and G3 Pismo.  Can easily swap between them.  Boots without a problem.

All mSATAs were used with generic green IDE to mSATA adapters.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2020, 01:52:36 AM »
I only ever bought one IDE SSD, the:

Transcend 64GB IDE SSD TS64GPSD330 tested on G3 Clamshell (og Firewire)

  • OS9: formatted originally in OS 9(.1?), and booted without a problem.  Used it for roughly 2 years (then upgraded to larger mSATA).  Gamed with it. No problem.
  • OSX: would *not* boot.  It rarely got past trying to load drivers (from install cd, including Tiger DVD off PMG4MDD in FWDM), if I did wait long enough for it to time out (upwards of 40 minutes) it could never write to the drive. Or it would try and fail.  I even tried installing Tiger via Firewire disk mode, but all I remember is I never got Jaguar or Tiger to boot off that drive.  I don't know if it was the drive, or the fact that I formatted under OS 9.
  • Linux (Ubuntu Mate 14.04): booted nicely. Absolutely no problems--with booting.  Configuring Xorg was an adventure.

After upgrading to mSATA, I did not do any further testing with it, but I still have the drive.  I would like to test it on my Lombard G3 (for OS 8.6 and OS X).  And if everything works out, in two weeks I should have a 3400 that I could test OS 7 & 8 with.



As for mSATAs: (I apparently have a thing for them, but let's be honest, popping an mSATA out by just lifting the keyboard is really nice.  I don't want to go back to normal IDE drives.)

Kingston 120GB HDSSD mSATA 120GB mS200: currently in Clamshell iBook (since Feb 2017) with OS 9(latest) and OS X Jaguar.  Boot without a problem.

Samsung 500GB 860 EVO mSATA: (since Jun 2019) currently in G4 MacMini with OS 9(latest) & Mac OS X Tiger.  Boots nicely.

SunBow 128GB mSATA M3 Series: (since Mar 2017) currently in PowerBook G3 Pismo with OS 9(latest) & OS X Jaguar. Boots wonderfully.

Sunbow 32GB mSATA M1 Series: (since Jun 2019) my "OS tester".  Currently has partitions with Mac OS 8.6, 9(latest), OS X Jaguar, Panther, Tiger.  May have Leopard and Puma, but I can't find it right now.  Tested on Clamshell iBook and G3 Pismo, both work flawlessly.

Transcend 64GB mSATA SSD TS64GMSA230S (3D Nand): (Since Jan 2020) I own two.  One has a Void Linux install, other has a Debian Buster(?) PPC install.  Tested in Clamshell iBook and G3 Pismo.  Can easily swap between them.  Boots without a problem.

All mSATAs were used with generic green IDE to mSATA adapters.

What about the long m2 sata ? I just ordered a board and cover which will fit right into the pismo.. I was looking at either Adata 128gb OR Samsung EVO ? 128GB.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2020, 02:03:50 AM »
which part of "you have to test that yourself" didnt you understand.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2020, 02:08:26 AM »
which part of "you have to test that yourself" didnt you understand.

Were you talking to me ? I am not a troll... I just don't want to waste my money on something that does not work - the long M2 Sata from a guy on 68mla.com I think bought a green board to fit into the pismo and bought also a 500GB(overkill if u ask me) m2 sata. i am not a troll.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2020, 02:11:34 AM »
which part of "you have to test that yourself" didnt you understand.

How would you like it if i called you troll ? A loyal OS9 user is not a troll. I have never done this before as far as SSD - this is out of my league since I have been away from high tech stuff for awhile and finally getting back into it.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2020, 04:59:30 AM »
Guys, guys... relax, ok? We're all on the same side and share the same hobby. No need to "cuss 'n curse". I recently sense some aggression in the Mac OS community (not just here) I don't know where it is coming from.

Is it the covid-19 quarantine ?
Is it boredom ?
Maybe both?

Anyway ... we don't have to hug and love, but let's discuss and interact the way people used to do before the social media phenomena?

Back to topic: I successfully tested a Qumox 120 GB SSD in my MDD 2003, which is one of those super cheap SSDs. Mine was a gift from the dealer that come with an order ...
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2020, 09:28:34 AM »
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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2020, 10:38:11 AM »
Thank you :-) yes, it’s probably due to Covid-19, maybe.

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Re: List SSDs w/ OS 9
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2020, 12:14:04 PM »
Interesting to note here perhaps that Nymunariya reports that the Samsung
500GB 860 EVO mSata boots OS 9 and OS X in his Mac Mini
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5447.msg40411.html#msg40411
when it had been previously mentioned that the EVO 860 SSD
...was considered questionable?  :o

New news?

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Re: List SSDs w/ OS 9
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2020, 12:31:22 PM »
Interesting to note here perhaps that Nymunariya reports that the Samsung
500GB 860 EVO mSata boots OS 9 and OS X in his Mac Mini
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5447.msg40411.html#msg40411
when it had been previously mentioned that the EVO 860 SSD
...was considered questionable?  :o

New news?

her Mac Mini, yes. I took a screenshot of the System Profile page, incase there's some specific version of it that I'm using that I don't know about.

Did you consider the SATA SSD questionable, or the mSATA SSD?

I doubt the (super generic "Goliton") IDE 2 mSATA adapter made any difference, but then again somebody did report that it did not work with their PowerBook G4. Could just be amazon giving me some generic mSATA adapter, from the pile of generic chinese mSATA adapters.
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Re: SSD w/ OS 9
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2020, 01:37:36 PM »
Reference first post, this thread.
(SATA SSD = questionable.)
Your screenshot shows the OS 9 driver installed.
Might be good news for the EVO 860 SATA SSD?

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2020, 07:39:20 PM »
Hello, new user, and new mac owner I guess, but long time procrastinator. Haven't been using the pandemic to get around to hobbies/projects. This forum is so choc full of information, information overload, that I haven't actually done much yet. If anyone is trying to not spend money, I have a native OS9 machine, iMac G4, and a couple other G4 machines non native OS9, and I happen to have a Samsung EVO 860 SSD 1TB drive being temporarily used in a 2010 Poly MacBook. I just need to buy an IDE to SATA adapter I suppose so that I can help add to the useful list that MacTron started. If anyone has a suggested one, it would be appreciated. Otherwise I'll probably just look through Amazon or eBay and pick something that has high reviews that don't look suspicious. But with shipping being somewhat unreliable it might be a few days or a week before I get the part once I order. Thanks for all the hard work, and maybe I can contribute shortly.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2020, 10:21:05 PM »
Hi, welcome to the forum ! What PPC Mac do you plan to use a 1TB M2 sata card in ? For OS 9, 1TB is overkill as the OS can only see 128GB of it, but for OS X, no limit - tiger or Leopard will make use of it.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2020, 11:06:35 PM »
Hello,

Does anyone know if Crucial makes a 128GB of this same type of M2 sata stick ? 500זGB is too much.


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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2020, 12:11:17 AM »
[...] For OS 9, 1TB is overkill as the OS can only see 128GB of it[...]

While that’s kinda true for early new world macs (like G3s), OS9 apparently has a software “volume limit” (not drive limit) of about 190GB.

Now I want to buy more mSATAs ... because I do not want to open the mini again ...

When booting the Mini into Mac OS 9, OS 9 can see and access both partitions. I even have all of my games on the larger OS X partition.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2020, 02:02:48 AM »
heh. Amazon (Germany) is selling a 1TB(!) Samsung EVO 850 mSATA for 450€.  Anybody brave enough to give it a try?


While it is in German, somebody on amazon commented that they got a Samsung EVO 860 mSATA to work in their PowerBook G4!

I've got another ide to msata adapter arriving on Monday for the Lombard, so I can test how 8.6 likes the mSATAs
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2020, 02:31:28 AM »
heh. Amazon (Germany) is selling a 1TB(!) Samsung EVO 850 mSATA for 450€.  Anybody brave enough to give it a try?


While it is in German, somebody on amazon commented that they got a Samsung EVO 860 mSATA to work in their PowerBook G4!

I've got another ide to msata adapter arriving on Monday for the Lombard, so I can test how 8.6 likes the mSATAs

It won't work in a Pismo.

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Re: List SSDs w/ OS 9
« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2020, 05:42:40 AM »
New news?

we shall find out what the difference between the EVO 960 2,5" and the mSATA version actually is.

if there is NO difference between them, this raises up new questions about connection type and stuff  - wise as we are, we started collecting the complete info with host computer, controller, and disk - but as it seems we have also to distinguish between  the different SSD formfactors or firmware version.

it is like shaving the yak, even if you reduce the data to G4 and 9.2.2.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2020, 05:49:14 AM »
OS9 apparently has a software “volume limit” (not drive limit) of about 190GB.

2000. because of APM file system.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2020, 01:25:52 PM »
Hi, welcome to the forum ! What PPC Mac do you plan to use a 1TB M2 sata card in ? For OS 9, 1TB is overkill as the OS can only see 128GB of it, but for OS X, no limit - tiger or Leopard will make use of it.
Thank you. I have a few iMac G4, a 700 Mhz, 1 Ghz, and a 20'' 1.25 GHz. Also an eMac 1.25 Ghz and a 1.42 Ghz. Last is a PowerMac G4 MDD DP 1.42. The PMG4 will probably be the first to try, as it is the quickest and easiest to test. The Samsung EVO 860 is a straight 2.5 SATA drive, not an M2 SATA, mSATA, etc. It's also not really intended to be permanent. It was a test buy for a different computer, that I haven't yet tested, since I was trying it out in a 2010 white polycarbonate MacBook and never got around to doing anything else with it. It just happened to be on sale for about $100 at the time, and matched what I was looking for to try on a different computer. I saw no reason to buy the newer form factor/faster drives for a higher price for no speed benefit. I might end up keeping it in the PMG4, since I was planning on using that as possibly a OS9 & X machine maybe. Still not 100%, I might just decide that it will be an OS9 only machine. I'm willing to test on all of those machines, as I haven't gotten to doing a deep clean of them, and one of the eMacs was only bought to fix up the other because the case was damaged during shipment. I probably won't be able to test them all on the same day, since it will take time to disassemble all of them. Would it be as easy as just installing the unsupported hardware OS9.2.2 on the drive, and simply connecting them to all the machines?
     Also when I was buying the drive over a year ago?, I read some stuff about the smaller capacity EVO 860 might have some compatibility issues due to a different controller? being sometimes used in them, but not in the higher capacity ones. I do not remember what the cutoff was. Maybe some of the issues with an 860 not working is because of this? We will find out if my 860 works, when my StarTech adaptors get here sometime next week and I can test it out.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2020, 03:00:17 PM »
It won't work in a Pismo.

there is a special high capacity driver for OS X (Jaguar and up) https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/speedtools-ata-hi-cap-driver


The manual mentions that there's a Mac OS 9 version of their software that can install the classic device drivers.  They recommend a boot partition of 127,99GB or smaller for that (so as not to exceed the 128GB limit), the rest can be for whatever you need. 

Now I think I should get that 256GB mSATA to test ... but ... it's not as if I need extra space on my Pismo or iBook ...


I know I saw a video in the last few months of somebody install a high capacity sata drive in their G3 iMac.  I can't find the video now, but I'm pretty sure they used the speedtools driver.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2020, 04:43:59 PM »
Thank you for your advice. I have tried that driver years ago when I had a Sawtooth. Didn’t like it then. This is really only for OS 9 and Tiger. 128Gb is fine for my needs. Now, if it was a MacBook Pro ? Then 1-2TB yes, but those are “living” machines.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2020, 03:58:48 PM »
Tommy Yune
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. Takes up half the space of the original drive. Works fine with 128GB mSATA cards from chromebooks
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2020, 04:30:07 PM »
Anyone interested in a PMG4 MDD SATA3 SSD ide to sata adapter shootout?



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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2020, 11:14:28 PM »
Copy paste from another thread.

My 860 EVO 1TB drive works in my 1.42DP PMG4 running unsupported hardware 9.2.2. Used the StarTech adaptor.

Made a 120GB compatible partition on the drive. It already had High Sierra installed from using with my 2010 white MacBook. Installed the custom OS 9.2.2. Haven't really done much with it, except to boot to see if it loads up. 


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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2020, 03:31:56 AM »
Anyone interested in a PMG4 MDD SATA3 SSD ide to sata adapter shootout?

would you have a search phrase for the yellow guy?
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2020, 04:12:54 AM »
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My 860 EVO 1TB drive works in my 1.42DP PMG4 running unsupported hardware 9.2.2. Used the StarTech adaptor.
Haven't really done much with it, except to boot to see if it loads up.

now the next interesting things to try would be:

2,5" EVO 860 with cheap green adapters
2,5" EVO 850 with startech adapter
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2020, 10:10:46 AM »
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My 860 EVO 1TB drive works in my 1.42DP PMG4 running unsupported hardware 9.2.2. Used the StarTech adaptor.
Haven't really done much with it, except to boot to see if it loads up.

now the next interesting things to try would be:

2,5" EVO 860 with cheap green adapters
2,5" EVO 850 with startech adapter

If only my eyes weren't bigger than my wallet. I wouldn't mind trying these, but tunedbytad's rig, now has me rethinking not getting a PCI Sata card, and extra goodies. Maybe also a 5.1/7.1 sound card for games. Were there even any games that had 5.1/7.1 sound in OS9/PPC X? Plus I must figure out/remember/fix my old Win PC with AGP slot so that I can flash AGP cards for Mac.

Edit: Just browsing Amazon, these were like the top three hits... if these are market prices... it makes no sense to buy an 850 if they are mostly the same as the 860 just newer. These are 2.5'', wonder if the M2s are the same price spread.
EVO 860 500GB - $89.99
EVO 850 500GB - $141.58
EVO 850 250GB - $99.99
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #53 on: May 11, 2020, 10:40:42 AM »
If only my eyes weren't bigger than my wallet.

it is on my "far future" to-do list to swap all HDs for SSDs. but in my case that would be a matter of >5000 dollars.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2020, 10:44:53 AM »
I can run the m.2 evo 860 on the yellow Startech dual sata and the black dual sata
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #55 on: May 11, 2020, 11:51:36 AM »
ah, yet another startech, and yet another "dual". plus it is bidirectional.
 
i still dont have the full picture what this "dual" is about and where we could need it.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2020, 03:10:20 PM »
Going out on a limb here… “Duals” can either mean Master + Slave jumper settings OR EVEN Master, Slave AND Cable Select jumper options setttings????

I’m inclined to go with the Master + Slave for “Dual” …which might then make the M / S / CS bridges “TRIPLES”?

And it’s getting more than just a bit confusing now… with the m.2 introduction.

And what’s with the yellow colored “StarTech dual” pictured above? I assume that the jumper(s) allow the choice between Master or Slave? (And no choice of Cable Select.)

AND Congrats to XinSheng on his successful OS 9 boot with a Samsung EVO 860 w/ StarTech adapter.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #57 on: May 11, 2020, 03:20:58 PM »
Want to report this m2 Msata drive boots into OS 9 and X

According to a post from the 68kmla website, a user there used this and it works perfectly. Add this to the list.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #58 on: May 11, 2020, 04:33:08 PM »
I am using a "Transcend SSD340" (not the 340K version) without any issues, as well in my PM9600 as in my MDD (2003).

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #59 on: May 11, 2020, 07:17:17 PM »
the Yellow startech and the Black offbrand ide to sata adapters both have 2x SATA ports
these can run TWO sata drives at the same time from one adapter if you set the jumpers
just the same as the ATA 33/66/100 on the 40/80 pin IDE port with cable select jumpers.

only problem is I cannot close the case once plugged into the G4 MDD ATA100 port
I purchased an IDE 40 PIN 90 male / female ribbon cable but it seems to make the adapter non operational.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2020, 04:11:56 AM »
oh now i understand, it simply employs both IDE buses over one connector, just like an IDE cable does. silly me.

i can hear fury already galloping across the fields, to help you to find the right cable.

however, as soon as fury arrives in town he has to add the "dual" solution to current line of adapter investigations.
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« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2020, 11:53:31 AM »
if we could insert iframes in forum posts we could use one sheet where people report and another one to publish the curretn version.
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2020, 08:32:43 AM »
so, after i´ve moved them back from intel minis to the g4 minis i can now finally confirm:

m.2 WD Green 240 Gb via "white case" ide2m2 in a mini

m.2 Intenso 120 Gb via "white case" ide2m2 in a mini
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« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2020, 09:47:02 AM »
if we could insert iframes in forum posts we could use one sheet where people report and another one to publish the curretn version.

Hopefully there are no super strict Apple purists triggered by the suggestion of a Microsoft "product" on a forum devoted to vintage Apple products.  ;D  Thankfully, the "best" things were eventually incorporated into the standards.

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« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2020, 11:03:22 AM »
haha, i already knew a bunch of argumetns against iframes in forums, but their microsoft origin was not yet on my mind.

iframes are so cool when you want to stay away from php. :)
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« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2020, 12:23:36 PM »
haha, i already knew a bunch of argumetns against iframes in forums, but their microsoft origin was not yet on my mind.

iframes are so cool when you want to stay away from php. :)

 :) It's been a long time, but I'm sure they are probably the same arguments as decades ago. I only remember that off the top of my head because of having to make websites similar functioning between IE and Netscape with their incomplete/different implementations of the W3C standards.

Cool and useful when you know what you want to do and how. And maybe still you can link the iframe to another site, maybe even itself and cause an infinite loop.  :-X  Never fell victim to that one, only when someone distracted me while creating links on a unix workstation, and did not notice that the focus changed to a different window and my link to a folder was created within the folder itself. Luckily it did not run for too long before I investigated why it was taking longer than normal to copy the new version to the staging area.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #67 on: May 18, 2020, 09:02:22 AM »
Going out on a limb here… “Duals” can either mean Master + Slave jumper settings OR EVEN Master, Slave AND Cable Select jumper options setttings????

I’m inclined to go with the Master + Slave for “Dual” …which might then make the M / S / CS bridges “TRIPLES”?

And it’s getting more than just a bit confusing now… with the m.2 introduction.

And what’s with the yellow colored “StarTech dual” pictured above? I assume that the jumper(s) allow the choice between Master or Slave? (And no choice of Cable Select.)

AND Congrats to XinSheng on his successful OS 9 boot with a Samsung EVO 860 w/ StarTech adapter.

Thanks. I wonder if it would be of any benefit to also include disk speed tests? With the three different types of form factors, 2.5, mSata, M.2 (2 different types?), for various models, plus the various different adaptors. I would hope that any variations in speed should be pretty minor, since they should be in the end be bottlenecked by the end connection. I didn't end up trying any other machines with the SDD, since for some reason compressed air is also in low supply in stores. I might have to just take the time to do "full" disassemblies to give things a good scrubbing, inside and outside. Have a bunch of cans of compressed air, some high 90s IPA, and a thing of PlastX.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #68 on: May 18, 2020, 08:19:00 PM »
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wonder if it would be of any benefit to also include disk speed tests? With the three different types of form factors, 2.5, mSata, M.2 (2 different types?), for various models, plus the various different adaptors. I would hope that any variations in speed should be pretty minor, since they should be in the end be bottlenecked by the end connection.

I have tested many drives / adapters / and configurations
so far all of the adapters I have; red / green / yellow  / black produce nearly the same result

The Speed of the drive plays a huge factor in the PMG4 tests i did
my guess is some drives are gifted in the onboard ram / buffer process and this has a measurable interaction with the ATA100 transfer rate.
the Evo 860 and this OCZ 2.5" SSD are freakishly fast on any adapter or controller over the other SSD's tested.

once I popped in the Seritek 1v4 /Samsung Evo 860 SSDs all of a sudden the ram speed became a major player in data transfer speed!!!!
Hi, My name is Tad
I have a PMG4 problem
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2020, 05:33:45 AM »
the speeds will be around 110-150 mb/s, as long as you dont use a SATA II controller in a 64 bit PCI slot MDD.

not sure if you need to know it more exact?

what i find interesting is the speed of the SSDs themselves (which doesnt play any role in OS9 ;) ), often bigger disks are much faster because they have a different architecture.

sometimes this goes together with amazing price differences. the samsung 860 EVO for example is a steal at 1TB, both smaller (well that is to be expected) and bigger ones are far more expensive. (1TB starts at 120 euro, 4TB starts at 850 euro)
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2020, 11:23:07 PM »
I am booting OS9 from a 80GB Intel 530 Series M.2 connected to the usual SinTech green adapter.

Hopefully this information assists someone in the future.

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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2020, 10:12:59 AM »
Hi all, there are some cheap Samsung EVO 750 120gb drives for sale locally. I did a search but only found one ref to using these in a macbook pro. Any reason i shouldnt try one out on my MDD 1.25? For 9.2.  I cant find any references to these to these- good or bad.

Oh, to answer my own question i see its a cheaper version of the 850 so probably wont work...oh well
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2020, 08:09:38 PM »
of course that is exactly why it would be great if you tested. :)
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Re: List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9
« Reply #73 on: August 06, 2020, 10:33:08 AM »
I think I will. Hopefully can use it elsewhere if it doesnt work..