Author Topic: Making OS 9 render sites - fixing rendering engine on web browsers.  (Read 4699 times)

Offline Roman323

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Hello,

As a huge supporter of keeping OS 9 alive, is there a way or is someone working on a way to get websites to render correctly ? OS 9 has the potential to be restored with the ability to browse the web, but we need to get the right CSS rendering codec places inri one of the browsers. I admire Classila however, I see itís been almost 5 years since the latest update to classila. I wish I knew how to program, but sadly I never learned. Is it possible to disassemble the web browsers of IE5.1.7 and Netscape to get websites to render correctly ?

If Windows 98/2000/XP can use the internet and render websites normally, surely OS 9 can ???

Thoughts ?

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Re: Making OS 9 render sites - fixing rendering engine on web browsers.
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2020, 12:28:31 AM »
windows XP supports higher versions of firefox than OSX 10.7.6 on a G5.
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OSX 10.7.6 on a G5.

Whou where you get Lion for PPC??

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Re: Making OS 9 render sites - fixing rendering engine on web browsers.
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2020, 01:13:36 AM »
Up until a couple of years ago Classilla was reasonably usable, most sites were a garbled mess but the information was there for the most part. But with No TLS 1.1+ support, it can't even connect to 90% of the sites I try. It's probably not a simple implementation but I wish even just that could be updated.

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Re: Making OS 9 render sites - fixing rendering engine on web browsers.
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2023, 02:01:51 PM »
is there anyway to use a code library include to hack in support for  the min requirement of TLS? what is it.. TLS v1.2?
but ya, maybe if it COULD be done it WOULD be already being done by someone??

trying to look up some info using some google-fu
http://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2022/07/crypto-ancienne-20-now-brings-tls-13-to.html
whats this? ^^^

it would be really nice to be able to surf the web on macos9 again if some type of solution could be found

TLS compatibility can be checked here: https://www.howsmyssl.com/
are macos9 browsers compatible with TLS 1.1? im not on a mac right now cant check the results of visiting the link

https://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/carl.html

https://www.dialup.net/wingpt/tls.html
heres a post of a guy showing off that he was able to compile TLS1.2 + 1.3 support into windows 3.1! 16bit!
so if it can be done for windows 3.1 why not macos9?
« Last Edit: December 04, 2023, 03:05:24 PM by chrisNova777 »

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Re: Making OS 9 render sites - fixing rendering engine on web browsers.
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2023, 09:42:15 PM »
You found the right link with carl: it should take care of providing newer crypto for HTTPS for any browser (as it works as proxy).

The problem is not compiling TLS (or any other "modern" web feature), the problem is CPU as most of them are closer and closer to virtualization (just try VirtualPC as a refresher).

Please keep in mind that even with carl running locally on your Mac, you will have 2 potential challenges:
- JavaScript features supported or not
- new file format (images/videos) along with other browser features not present in Classilla (WebAssembly? WebRTC? WebGL? ...)

Happy browsing (as there is still lots that are reachable and efforts to keep/make retro-accessible sites like this one ;) ).
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Re: Making OS 9 render sites - fixing rendering engine on web browsers.
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2023, 09:36:43 AM »
http://www.squid-cache.org/
anyone using any type of proxy server to serve SSL up to older macs?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/fixing-https-issues-on-old-versions-of-os-x.2281326/
i read about this squid web proxy cache thing.. does anyone have any experience using this as a solution to sidestep ssl tls browsing issues?

 


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