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anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« on: December 24, 2019, 04:21:50 AM »
as is common knowledge at this point: TC Electronic have discontinued the Powercore platform back in 2011
not sure when the product was first introduced? 2001? 2002?

im just taking a quick look back at this topic that i previously largely overlooked; (in favor of UAD)
my questions for those more versed than i on this topic are:

is it still possible to buy + use TC powercore Products in macos9 in 2020?
im alot less familiar with this topic then with the uad-1 product;

how many different powercore products were there?
let me see if i can answer that.. if anything is missing or incorrect please correct me

PowerCore (Original?)
http://web.archive.org/web/20040409041843/http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCore

PowerCore PCI mkII
http://web.archive.org/web/20051123115129/http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=1233

PowerCore Compact
http://web.archive.org/web/20050829194948/http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCoreCompact

PowerCore Element (is this the first "Mk1" version? or a budget scaled down version?)
http://web.archive.org/web/20050901082227/http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCoreElement

PowerCore Firewire
http://web.archive.org/web/20050831112915/http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCoreFireWire

PowerCore Express
PowerCore Unplugged (i'm guessing this version comes with 0 plugins?)
PowerCore 6000
PowerCore X8
PowerCore X8 Sonnox Edition


http://web.archive.org/web/20011214123248/http://www.tcelectronic.com/products.asp?page=overview
http://web.archive.org/web/20040409041843/http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCore
http://web.archive.org/web/20050907013812/http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCoreComparison
http://web.archive.org/web/20120516234658/http://www.tcelectronic.com/powercore.asp
http://web.archive.org/web/20120517120154/http://www.tcelectronic.com/powercorefamily.asp
http://web.archive.org/web/20120520010529/http://www.tcelectronic.com/powercore3.asp
http://web.archive.org/web/20120520155424/http://www.tcelectronic.com/powercoreconcept.asp
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/tc-electronic-powercore-firewire

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2021, 11:07:40 AM »
I believe I am one of the last 10 guys (5 maybe...) in the world playing with the TC Powercore in Cubase VST...
The only model you can play with, is the original PCI version.
None of the further releases (PCI MKII, FW, etc, ) are what working in OS9...
Hth.

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2021, 01:57:53 PM »
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TC Electronics PowerCore (Hardware Driver, Plugin Suite) - Version 1.6.1

The Download Folder also includes the World-class 247C Compressor and ClassicVerb Reverb Plugin Installs

Here is all our Powercore software
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,1146.0.html

The only caveat is the Master X3 that was authorized per serial number on the board,
I still have six originals with the Master X3 authorized Cubase Master X3 if you need one inexpensively

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2021, 09:45:05 AM »
I still have six originals with the Master X3 authorized Cubase Master X3 if you need one inexpensively

I might be interested in one of these.. I'll send a DM...
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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2021, 12:28:20 PM »
Interestingly enough, if you happen to have a Hackintosh with PCI ports, the original PCI powercore cards work perfectly fine up to at least 10.14...
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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2021, 02:49:52 PM »

powercore license unlocker is now available.

we needed 2-3 people with a card and missing licenses (such as someone who has not yet installed his master X5) who can test something before we post it here.

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2021, 01:42:17 PM »
Where can you read about it? Need to flash the card or have a patch?

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2021, 02:02:23 PM »
you need to put the card into a computer which can boot into windows, then try to patch the OS9 and OSX PPC demo versions under windows.

OSX intel works this way, PPC is still untested but should use the same encryption. eventually we need to restructure the resource forks later.

do you have a spare win computer with PCI around?

i am not going to search for the demo installers when nobody can help / wants it for himself. :)
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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2021, 04:01:58 PM »
Thanks for the answer. One of these days I'll try to get a Pentium 4 from my friends.
Should this be done in Windows XP or Windows 7?

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2021, 04:03:23 PM »
the later one wont hurt i think.
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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2021, 03:20:23 AM »
Im still using my Powercore PCI and very happy with it. I have just today successfully installed the 247 and Classicverb, super pleased. :)

I never managed to get the Master X on my card, I would be keen to give it a try..




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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2021, 05:48:08 AM »
you would need to put the card into a windows PC, then generate a license there using a copy of the OS9 plug-in. there are two different methods, both are unknown terrain for OS9 and OSX PPC. eventually we can also make use of the windows plug-in to reach what we seek for. if you are ready to try it, send a PM.
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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2021, 04:19:36 PM »
you don't need to put the card in a PC to generate the license or patch the existing plugins. I used the patcher in a windows 10 VM on hardware that didnt even have a powercore installed and it worked fine when I moved them over to the machine that does have them installed. For the OSX versions anyway.

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2021, 09:29:16 AM »
Thank you both for the replies. Im on 9.2

I have a spare machine running Vista that has PCI slots. Will Dm.


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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2021, 08:42:57 PM »
could you add what exactly you used (and didnt you try the same with OS9 / carbon plug-ins?)

i cant recall, what was the last version for PPC? 4.4.3? if all products exist in late enough versions then this would be a sufficient solution.

unfortunately, surround and restoration demo for OS9 is not in my collection. the one to test the procedure with is X5 or, if you have missed the free registration, X3.

that would be funny if it actually worked using virtual PC in OS9. i have totally missed that idea, and never had something like that installed.
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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2021, 06:39:53 PM »
according to my research, at least the last "official" version of the powercore software (4.3.3, I have not found a change log for the later "beta" releases) there is still support for PowerPC architecture. I will try to test this out soon with 10.5 in my dual-core G5 and my powercore express card.

As for OS9, I think it would be a totally different ball game. The OS9 versions of the software were all 1.x versions, and back in those days the powercore used a different registration mechanism than the later 2nd generation cards. I dont think there was ever support for the second generation cards in OS9. I do have a PCI MK2 I can use to test this theory.

I recall, wayyyyyyyy back in the timefog, that the old powercore registration mechanism was cracked at one point... which was why they introduced the second generation cards with their "uncrackable" copy protection mechanisms (they weren't far off in that assessment... only took ten years after it was discontinued for somebody to figure it out?)  But I think that the first generation cards were just done by serial number or challenge/response, as there's no mechanism in the TC POwercore control panel for registering a plugin.

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2021, 12:52:22 PM »
Software can be found here for the original long PCI card (non-element version); Version 1.6.1 and some later added plugins
The Element version of the PCI card does not run all the plugins and could NOT run Master X3, their premiere Multi-Band compressor for Mixing/Mastering

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,1146.0.html

All these stock plugins run under OS9 and do NOT need challenge codes or serial numbers, the main exception to the rule was Master X3...

Back in the day you would email TC and they would send you back a Master X3 plugin file that was "married" to your card via the cards serial number.  At one point TC refused all requests for the free Master X3 under OS9 claiming "we no longer have the machine (or ability) to generate Master X3 plugins for OS9"  which really sucked for those who bagged cheap cards from eBay and could not get a Master X3 plugin file for OS9.  The "non-element" version of the PCI card sold for over $1000 back in the day and Master X3 was one of the selling features; I bought about 4 cards back in the day because the quality and results of the plugins were way above what was available in "Native" VST stuff, of course, Protools was a whole different topic.  The original Powercore, IMO, was the "Protools of VST"

Now, to the point, as far as I know, nobody has been able to reproduce generating the Master X3 serialized file or fake the process of getting Master X3 to run under OS9; please let me know if this has changed.  FYI, I have 5 to 6 unique master X3 files for Mac OS 9 and the serial number of each card associated with each file if anyone wants to reverse engineer or figure the differences in each file that corresponds to each card's serial number.

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2021, 04:22:16 PM »
that is what we are talking. the combined license / blowfish encryption of poco has been cracked recently and enables all plug-ins, but until now nobody has tried it on Mac PPC.

on OS9 we probably only need it for the surround and restoration bundles, master X5 - and for master X3 non-enabled cards - for OSX it is about 7 or so more plug-ins which are using the tc protection scheme, including virus unlimited.

as soon as someone successfully tried it we can write a guide how it works - with or without using a windows computer.

as usual, atm everybody waits until somebody else tries it first.^^

and we still dont have the missing demo versions, for some reaons i also dont have them from back in the days.
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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2021, 10:53:29 PM »
Well I have every version of the Powercore cards except the element (which I think was just repackaged 1st gen cards) so I am happy to do some testing. Just need the installers for the non-free plugins.
The one I always wanted to get my hands on was the Waldorf d-coder. I asked Tc support once upon a time and they basically gave me the same answer, they stopped having the ability to issue OS9 licenses a long time prior.
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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2021, 10:57:18 PM »
There's also one important thing to note... There's two versions of the cracks out there... There is the unlocker which as I understand it, disables the demo timer, and then there's the license generator which creates fully-working license files. After that, as far as the card is concerned, you've just loaded a legit license file to the card, and is permanently bound to the card. So those should by all expectation work perfectly fine in a PPC Mac as there's no cracking trickery involved at that point.
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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2021, 09:56:55 AM »
Just dusted off an MDD with an original PowerCore, please PM or post a link of what you guys want tested and I will download and try under OS9, or simply attach files

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2021, 12:21:13 PM »
(welcome back after the forum crash everyone^^)

didnt i send you that stuff 6 weeks ago in a PN? (sometimes i accidentially only reply to myself there)

will do again.

btw. pls dont post these direct links here.

refinery is right about the ver 1.1. - but it would be not be the worst idea to test both, so i was asking everyone to try the 1.0 style first and communicate while you do, that we can make sure we found a procedure replicable by everyone else with a simple instruction text. (if it actually works under OS9 and OSX PPC by simply running it into a windows emulator that would be awesome, but i am not yet convinced.)

myself i dont have an intel based mac or PC with PCI here (except the Xserve), otherwise i would have presented the final result here instead of making mysterious comments.

regarding d-coder:

while i have a legit copy in my main mac since ever, i can assure you that it did not use TC protection with blowfish back in the OS9 days, it will work with any non-legit serialnumber.

funfact: that is why there is a crack for mac for 20 years while windows users had to wait until recently. :)

 
yes, the missing demo versions. what a pity. nowhere to find on the web, so hopefully one of us has them.

i always think "i have everything", but somehow that got forgotten.

it is master x5, restoration, and and the first smaller surround bundle. d-sound, waldorf and sony will not work this way for mac os 9.

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2021, 12:25:09 PM »
https://audioz.download/software/198007-download_tc-powercore-license-unlocker-v10-win-mac-readnfo-c0dereload.html

I have PowerCore PCI MK1.
I successfully unlocked all the plugins under Windows 7,
but it does not work under PPC,
Crossover does not work under PPC, only Intel.

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2021, 12:36:35 PM »
the next question is if you can patch the mac plug-in files under windows.

open master x 5 with resedit, copy the vst fx part into a new filesī datafork, save one time as .bin and one time as .vst, send to windows and see if the patch app finds it.
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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2021, 02:14:09 PM »
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I have PowerCore PCI MK1.
I successfully unlocked all the plugins under Windows 7,
but it does not work under PPC,
Crossover does not work under PPC, only Intel.

Guessing nothing will work under OS9... oh well

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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2021, 06:35:08 PM »
I know that what I'm about to write is a long way away from the focus of this board because I'm talking about my experiences on an Intel Mac.  Still, I thought that it couldn't hurt to mention that I have 2nd hand Powercore FireWire unit and was able to successfully freeze the demo time for a couple of plugins.  (I haven't had time to try more than a couple of plugins but both of them worked fine when I was able to figure out exactly which file the patcher was looking for.)


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Re: anyone using TC Powercore in 2020? (Discontinued in 2011)
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2021, 11:39:42 AM »
long story short; if the crack wouldnt work as intended, it wouldnt have been released.

our main problem here is that
1. we lack most demo versions
2. we dont know if the plug-is are really using exactly the same scheme and
3. that PPC is another architecture, and OS9/carbon even is a different file format.

there are just not enough PPC users left on this planet, so we have to find out all on our own. :( haha :)

but if you have an intel mac and a PPC mac, too, you are invited to try if your card works under PPC, too. just install the latest demo installer and attach the card to the PPC. if it works for firewire, it will also work for the mkI.
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