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Offline pierino23

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MainStreet PCMCIA-FC slower then the HD ?
« on: January 02, 2019, 03:03:29 PM »
Hi all,

on my Mainstreet G3 233 I installed a Trascend 144x Flash Card in a PCMCIA adapter.
I run the ZD Benchmark, my plan is to move the virtual memory in the FC.
I was surprised to read that the FC is much slower then the HD, with the sole exception of the random read 512
On average it's 50% slower.

Sequential Read (512)
FC 236 kb/sec
HD 298 kb/sec

Sequential Read (1024)
FC 3.832 kb/sec
HD 7.519 kb/sec

Random Read (512)
FC 208 kb/sec
HD 40 kb/sec

Random Read (1024)
FD 3.813 kb/sec
HD 6.921 kb/sec

Sequential Write (512)
FD 803 kb/sec
HD 1.489 kb/sec

Random Write (512)
FC 32 kb/sec
HD 95 kb/sec

Is it normal?

best
PF

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Re: MainStreet PCMCIA-FC slower then the HD ?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2019, 02:19:12 PM »
i can confirm I too have seen very low drive speeds with a similar setup. I was having stability problems with a SD card to ATA adapter, so I tried swapping out to an 8GB CF card on an adapter. the speeds were lower than the SD card on the ATA bus.
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Re: MainStreet PCMCIA-FC slower then the HD ?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2019, 04:54:48 PM »
I have a 4GB Trancsend CF labeled 266x, wich is slower than my Buffalo USB pendrive.
The CF was used on several systems as a boot drive, but it's in fact slower than a good HD.
(the Buffalo is the fastest USB stick I ever met, about $75 for 4 GB back in the days)

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Re: MainStreet PCMCIA-FC slower then the HD ?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2019, 08:24:44 PM »
144x  is a very bad speed for a flash card
144x is less than ATA33 speed
you want to use a compact flash card that says it supports UDMA5, UDMA6, or UDMA7
its complicated because theres many different speed rating systems at play here:
ATA rating vs UDMA rating vs compact flash speed rating

see my posts here:
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php/topic,5700 :: UDMA speeds
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php/topic,3833 :: using compact flash as a hard drive

heres some guidance on the level of rating you need for your compact flash cards depending on what
speed of an IDE port its connecting to, most people are going to need AT LEAST 440x speed rating for
equal performance to an ATA/66 hard drive,
Quote
Ultra ATA/33: 33.3 MBps, use at least 220x
Ultra ATA/66: 66.7 MBps, use at least 440x
Ultra ATA/100: 100 MBps, use at least 660x
Ultra ATA/133: 133 MBps, use at least 880x

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Re: MainStreet PCMCIA-FC slower then the HD ?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2019, 07:43:14 AM »
Hi all,

many thanks for the replies.
I suspected I'm using a slow FC. :(
I will try a faster one.

I bought an IDE to FC adapter with the further goal to replace the internal HD

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PF

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Re: MainStreet PCMCIA-FC slower then the HD ?
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2019, 11:31:40 PM »
sorry
i missed the fact that you are doing this on an older g3 laptop?

if this is your machine:
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g3/specs/powerbook_g3_233.html
then this is your storage interface:
Storage Interface:   EIDE/ATA-2
which only goes up to about 16.7 MBps

if you really want a great improvement,
what i would suggest is that you find a SATA150 adapter for the cardbus/pcmcia adapter slot
"*2 Type II PC card slots also support one Type III card (CardBus compatible)."
FirmTek SeriTek/1SM2 https://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1sm2/

im not sure if the other adapters are compatible i dont think they are:
SeriTek/2SM2-E https://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-2sm2-e/
SeriTek/6G https://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-6g/

of course this probably wont work for portability, and u would need an external hard drive + esata cable i think
might aswell find a newer g4 mac ;) lol
« Last Edit: January 05, 2019, 11:42:23 PM by macStuff »

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Re: MainStreet PCMCIA-FC slower then the HD ?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2019, 02:06:43 PM »
Hi again,

thanks for the advices

in the link below I described briefly that I installed a IDE to FC and the performance were much better,

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4816.msg34606.html#msg34606

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PF