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are any iOS discussions allowed on the macos9lives site?

i wanted to ask if anyone has any secret tips on downgrading iOS version on older iOS devices...
for example, i own an Iphone 4s and an Ipad 2 that i *WISH* i could downgrade to a previous version of iOS
 i think both are running iOS version 9.xx and they are both very much slower then they used to be in the past...  im wondering if anyone here has any iOS devices from the past (2010/2011/2012)
that they have successfully downgraded

i know its not an easy task but i never really researched if it was possible..
or maybe i was too lazy to take the steps required..

it still bothers me that the new-apple gets away with selling 500$+ devices that dont allow u to downgrade your own device freely.. what a sham

heres an example of the type of videos that can be found on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udy0GzUQebE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2UFZc_v4N4
heres a video that showcases how well ios6 runs on the iphone4s;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMMrqa114qY
heres another video that discusses using ios6 on older ios devices in 2017

another video showing downgrade + jailbreak
apparently it works for ipad 2 aswell!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuWTXNLHgvA&feature=youtu.be
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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2018, 02:02:08 AM »
I have an iPad 1, 2 (wife's) and Air2 running IOS 5, 7 and 9.
(a couple of images saved in old iTunes, but unfortunately not the full sequence of releases)
I'm not shure if I could restore old stuff with iTunes disconnected from the net - didn't dare just for fun yet.
Recently had to update my wife's to version 9 for her favourite internet sites refused to work in version 7. It's definitely less responsive, but that seems to be related to context switching mostly, not app performance.

Though IOS is a different thing there are a lot of parallels to classic MacOS, imho it fits quit well to the context of this board. In particular considering it's use in music, which seems a core theme here.
I drive all midi stuff in Pro Tools from either the iPad One or Air-2 and transfer audio snippets between both worlds (much improved by a Synology NAS recently)

Network support (or rather the lack of) is the most important flaw of older IOS versions.
The IOS music environment seems to get a similiarly low attention by Apple like in classic MacOS, leaving most of that field to third parties like Digidesign.

IOS has a very powerful DSP environment, which beats most VSTs and brings some 'modern' processing not available in classic MacOS (granular and wavetable synthesis).
The most welcome aspect: the 'soundprint' of IOS is very different from the early TDM stuff - they complement each other realky nice.
(btw this doesn't apply to each and every app, but to about 30-40 selected ones)

You will have a hard time to find a more convincing virtual analog than (say) Zeeon or wavetable synths like the PPG apps by Wolfgang Palm.
Driving a TDM Virus by something like TC-Data lifts the oldie into never heard before sound areas.
My personal bottomline: whatever Apple's shitty company policy may be or become - as long as they keep their entry fee at 500 bucks, any IOS system is a bargain for the functionality it provides. Turn off the Siri chatterbox, disconnect it from the net and all it's social rubbish and enjoy.

Back to the original question:
you can only restore old images with old iTunes versions that sign the image offline
iFunBox can transfer single purchases from your own archives between your devices
(very useful, but may not always yield expected results when moving content to a different IOS version)
Otherwise you have to go the jailbreak path, as mentioned above.





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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2018, 07:32:48 AM »
a LOT of interesting things in that post there Astro!!! ;D

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2018, 01:31:28 PM »
i spent some time last night in a final analysis effort with my ipad1
its pretty useless.. i am leaning towards getting rid of it.. i dont even know why i still have this thing!
i guess i didnt get rid of it out of resentment that i feel i didnt get my moneys worth!!! out of the device.
it was only usable for 2 years? or so?

i was hoping to use it for screen sharing?
or midi controller of some sort?
anyone looked into those possibilities? im not aware of which apps to use

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2018, 03:53:17 PM »
it's in fact a rather low powered device, but far from useless
both SamplR and SampleWiz run on it, the M3000 Mellotron, Genome Midi Sequencer (can do step sequenced CC), iElectribe for synth Drums, Drum Jam for acoustic Drums, Multitrack-DAW (which is my all purpose tape style recorder, so simple and convenient) to name a few.
classic SamplR intro clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHQ362yBUc

The only screen sharing app that works really smooth (via lightning cable) is Duet, but it demands much more power than an iPad One can provide.
I've used it as the only (!) screen for a MacMini - after setup with a regular screen the Mini booted with the remote display and kept the virtual connection in memory.
You run the Duet app and see the OSX screen, bring the app to background and IOS is back etc.

But the iPad One is a handy shell terminal.

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2018, 03:58:37 PM »
thanks astroman for dropping some info
i will check into the names of those apps;
i do remember seeing a video about a daw-midi controller app
but i wasnt sure if it would work on the ipad1

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2018, 04:17:52 PM »
the app is called AC-7 Core by Saitara Software and features a wireless Midi connection (needs rtpMidi on the PC), but from OSX Tiger upwards no additional software is needed.

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2018, 05:55:27 AM »
ive got the ipad1 working with bluetooth keyboard and using google chrome browser its actually working not bad.. im shocked :o so maybe you are right its not completely useless.. but it is indeed low powered..  im posting from the ipad1 + bluetooth keyboard right now!

really need to make a list of ios 5.1.1 compatible apps
ive been seraching online for such a list but cant seem to find one

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2018, 04:07:54 PM »
a lot of those apps aren't in the iTunes Store anymore, vanished completely.
Ymmv - in some cases you can 'download the last compatible version', but a lot of developers don't offer this option.

To get audio (beyond the internal mic) into the iPad you need the CameraConnection Kit which works with most cheapo standard USB things.
The Alesis ioDock version 1 is a better option if you can find a cheap one - it features a 'no sysex design flaw' but the rest of midi works great, the audio quality is surprisingly nice.

This may apply if you have some ideas what to do with that (very special) iPad, otherwise I'd rather recommand at least a Mini-2 (retina), the Air-2 probably the most solid workhorse.
(my case is slightly different because I bought lots of apps when they were released and had the dock anyway)
Not to forget restricted network capabilities of IOS 5.


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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2018, 10:50:00 AM »
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.howtogeek.com/100886/how-to-use-your-ipad-as-a-second-monitor-for-your-pc-or-mac/amp/

Does anyone have any experience using iPad as secondary monitor to extend desktop? I’m curious if this might be possible with Mac OS 9 somehow?? Or early ppc versions of OS X

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2018, 10:55:41 AM »
VLC player v2.1.3 doesn’t work properly but I found another app that works semi decent for video; i need to verify if v2.1.3 was the last version that was cmpatible with ios 5.1.1 as the version that is installed now on my ipad1 doesnt work; it always quits playing after 1 second

the one that works, also works accessing network shared files over wifi lan via "UPNP DLNA"
I think it’s called ‘av player HD’, ill attach a pic:
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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2018, 11:29:25 AM »
PDF Viewer;
Facebook browsing (fb app still seems to work! but its a bit slow)
web browsing; (using google chrome or Safari)
email responding / writing (using built in app)

i couldnt get the ebay app to install

magazine / newspaper publications reader:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/ios-magazines-newspapers/id6021?mt=8
nice list of available publications here

heres a list of publications available on the appstore under the newspaper/magazine category:
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The New York Times
The Wall Street Journal.
USA TODAY
PEOPLE Magazine
National Geographic Magazine
Zinio - The World's Magazine Newsstand
TIME Magazine
The New Yorker Magazine
Men’s Health Magazine
The Economist: US & World News
Health & Fitness Magazine Replica
Cosmopolitan Magazine US
How It Works Magazine: Science and technology
Bloomberg Businessweek+
Black Box - Black Movie List
Sports Illustrated Magazine
DISCOVER Magazine
Washington Post Print Edition
Women's Health Mag
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY Magazine
Mac Life: the ultimate Apple magazine
HGTV Magazine US
Reader's Digest
FamilyFun Magazine
Vanity Fair Digital Edition
GQ
Newsweek
Food Network Magazine US
Popular Science
REAL SIMPLE Magazine
Lifestyle For Men Magazines
O, The Oprah Magazine US
Car and Driver Magazine US
NewBeauty Magazine
Cooking Light Magazine
FOOD & WINE
INSTYLE Magazine
The Boston Globe ePaper
Barron’s – Global Stock Markets & Financial News
ELLE Magazine US
Adobe Create Magazine
Good Housekeeping Magazine US
Good Housekeeping UK
PEOPLESTYLE Magazine
Seventeen Magazine US
Cosmopolitan UK
Travel + Leisure
HEALTH Magazine
KANDY Magazine App
Guitar World Magazine
The New Yorker Today
Harper's Bazaar UK
Popular Mechanics Magazine US
Prevention
FORTUNE Magazine
The Week Magazine US
Motor Trend Magazine
The Atlantic Magazine
Magzter - 9,500+ Magazines
The Costco Connection
Esquire Magazine US
Advanced Photoshop Magazine: Professional guides
SOUTHERN LIVING Magazine
Men's Fitness
Cooking With Paula Deen
MONEY Magazine
Rolling Stone Magazine
San Francisco Chronicle
Maxim Magazine US
Runner's World
Total Film: the smarter movie magazine
Game Informer
Practical Photoshop: the Adobe Photoshop magazine
TRVL
ESSENCE Magazine
Astronomy Magazine
Raw Attraction Magazine - Love Sex & Relationships
Harper's BAZAAR Magazine US
Official Xbox Magazine (US Edition)
PressReader
Runner's World UK
Road & Track Magazine US
Automobile Magazine
Inked Magazine
Marie Claire Magazine US
net magazine: the voice of web design
Muscle & Fitness
Macworld Digital Magazine (U.S.)
SLAM magazine
The Sims Magazine
House Beautiful Magazine US
Autoweek Mag App
Top Gear Magazine
Field & Stream
Inc. Must Reads and Magazine
duPont REGISTRY Fine Automobiles
Baseball America Magazine
GOLF Magazine
Houston Chronicle
WWD: Women's Wear Daily
Inked Girls
SUNSET Magazine
OK Magazine USA
Absolutely Manic Magazine
Daily News - Digital Edition
BACKPACKER
New York Magazine
Total Guitar: lessons, tabs & interviews
Sports Illustrated Kids
PEOPLE EN ESPAÑOL Magazine
Star Wars Insider
Redbook Magazine US
iPhone Life magazine: Best Apps, Top Tips, Great Gear
Sxy Mag for Men - Hot Lifestyle Magazine Issues
Outside+ Magazine
Future Music: for music tech and production
1843 magazine
Woman's Day Magazine US
Scientific American
Paleo Living Magazine - Recipes & Meal Plans
Eat This, Not That! Magazine
ESPN The Magazine
COASTAL LIVING Magazine
ELLE Decor Magazine US
Healthy Recipes Magazine - Gluten-Free Recipes, Healthy Snacks, and Healthy Eating Tips
PC Magazine
Lonely Planet UK Magazine
Scene Magazine by Hipstamatic
IndyStar
Country Living Magazine US
I Feel Good Vegan Recipes and Meal Plans
azcentral
Shonen Jump Manga Reader
India Today
Gay Times - the original gay lifestyle magazine
Inside Cheerleading Magazine
PC Gamer (US): the world's No.1 PC gaming magazine
Bicycling
BBC History Magazine
BBC Good Food Magazine
Fine Cooking Magazine
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Swipe for iPhone (News, Reviews & Tips)
National Geographic en Español Revista
Photoshop Creative Magazine
Outdoor Life
Veggie Magazine
Crafts Beautiful – craft magazine specialising in knitting, crochet, quilling, felting, embossing an...
The Word Among Us Mass Edition
Play Magazine: The home of PS4, PS3 & PS Vita
Yoga Journal
Fine Woodworking Magazine
The Telegraph
Scientific American Mind
Computer Arts: the graphic design magazine
Shopkins Magazine
Digital Photographer Magazine: Expert advice
Windows Help & Advice: the magazine for PC users
Recoil Magazine
H&E naturist
Endless Vacation
Paleo Magazine
Maximum PC: computer news, reviews and projects
MacFormat: the Mac, iPad, iPhone & Apple magazine
Robb Report Magazine
Diesel Power
AAA+ Foundr - Entrepreneur Magazine for a Startup
Digital Camera World: the SLR photography magazine
National Geographic Traveller (UK)
Cult of Mac Magazine
Attitude - The World's Best Gay Magazine
Surfer Magazine
WIRED Magazine (UK)
AAA+ Swimsuits & Sports Magazine App For Men
USA TODAY Sports Weekly
Tennessean
N-Photo
SCOOP - Magz, Book, Newspaper
iCreate Magazine: For Your iPad, iPhone, and iPod
Revista VEJA
WDW Magazine
InTouch Weekly US
GamesMaster: the games magazine for all formats
All About Space Magazine
San Antonio Express-News
Dragon+ Magazine
DIY Decorating Addict
Triathlete
Upper Room Daily Devotional
GQ Style (UK)
Brides
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Star Trek Magazine
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M&F Hers
South China Morning Post
Babybug Magazine: Read along with baby and toddler
Soap Opera Digest
Super Street
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Freshly Inked
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Photography Masterclass
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Flying Magazine
Photography Week: the weekly digital camera mag
United Airlines Hemispheres Magazine
Condé Nast Traveller Magazine
Vegan Lifestyle Mag - Your Guide to Healthy Eating
Hype Hair - The Biggest Hair Magazine For Women of Color!
Luxe Interiors + Design Magazine
Asbury Park Press
Courier Journal
Des Moines Register
iPad User: the companion iPad magazine for all models
Men's Journal
Street Machine
Teenzone Magazine
High Times Magazine
CBS Soaps in Depth
Veranda Magazine US
Playboy México Revista Digital
Kiplinger's Personal Finance
REFORMA
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Fine Gardening Magazine
House Beautiful UK
Hot Rod Magazine
ATV UTV ACTION Magazine
American Survival Guide
Star Magazine USA
FHM Magazine Philippines
Ultimate MotorCycle Magazine
gamesTM Magazine: We live and breathe videogames
Truckin'
Florida Today

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2018, 09:00:22 PM »
if theres a VNC app for ipad...  is there a chance its compatible with os9 vnc software to make a connection and use the ipad as a secondary display? can vnc do that?

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2018, 12:25:52 PM »
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/duet-display/id935754064?mt=8
https://www.duetdisplay.com/
has anyone tried this duetDisplay App?
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCcCOnw2-zk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCcCOnw2-zk</a>

found this list of alternatives to "DuetDisplay"
ie: apps with similar functionality :
https://alternativeto.net/software/spacedesk/
https://alternativeto.net/software/air-display/
https://alternativeto.net/software/idisplay/
https://alternativeto.net/software/splashtop-wired-xdisplay/
https://alternativeto.net/software/twomonusb/

does anyone think its possible to code an app for os9 that could use an ipad like this???
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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2018, 01:45:51 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkhxYqoa3-k" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkhxYqoa3-k</a>
this video seems to be claiming that the app "AirDisplay" works on ipad1,2 +3!
i hope it's true!

also just found this article
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-enable-screen-mirroring-on-ipad-1-2011-4
so it seems like my ipad1 might be usefull afterall
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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2018, 03:46:44 PM »
as mentioned above I have the Duet app (iPad Air-2) and it works great as a MacMini Screen.
On Windoze it's not that funky and some versions were reported to mess the system quite to a degree. Didn't check Win details for my main interest was a mobile screen for the MacMini.
It even does the login thing, which TwoMon cannot handle.
Yet TwoMon seems the best candidate, as it's running on IOS 5 on an iPad-1.
(Duet needs IOS 8, which is out of reach for an iPad-1)

Sidenote because I just experience this in Pro Tools TDM (which is fairly new to me regarding hands-on experience)
The drawing of plugin automation is great, but a lot of work and the one-after-the-other parameter handling is neither a smooth nor an inspiring workflow.
For that purpose (if the plugin supports Midi CC) an iPad based controller surface is much more appealing. Some apps feature X-Y panels or Sequencers that handle multiple CCs, which gives an almost physical feel of control.

TC-Data is probably the most advanced (and one of the conceptually best implementations I had on any system)
http://www.bitshapesoftware.com/instruments/tc-data/


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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2018, 07:23:48 AM »
ok.. so twoMon is the one! for the ipad1! thanks so much Astroman!

currently 13.99$ on the app store (not cheap as far as apps go?)

theres 2 different TwoMon apps actually
one is TwoMonUSB (usb cable?)
the other is TwoMonAir? (bluetooth or wifi?)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9AZ6qjYCMg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9AZ6qjYCMg</a>

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2018, 05:06:49 PM »
the most remarkable feature is it's support for IOS 5.1, which would add a big value point to such so called outdated tablets, if it (really) performs as demonstrated.
I'd go with the cable based version unless it's for (say) server administration and such tasks.
The price is low midrange in my estimation (less than 10 cheap, 10-30 mid, above 'high').
But considering price versus delivered results most quality apps are in fact cheap.

One of my favorites is the virtual Fairlight CMI (from Peter Vogel, one of original hardware developers). $50 get you the full user experience of the original using a stylus (the most simpel does) plus the original libraries. They even fake the disk operation and noise.  8)
I really like the crude sequencer as a composition tool - it leads to very particular lines just by it's mode of operation - and it's a piece of history.

Another rare classic is iVCS3, an EMS Synthi emulation by Apesoft.
Apesoft and Amazing Noises are synonyms for the same developer team.
Their ApeFilter, Sparkle and Moebius sound processors are indeed... amazing.

There's a Mellotron app for $50-70 with all 'tapes' included - reads high, but the exact same content is about at least $300 from GForce on PC.

Palm's PPG apps are in the $20-30 range and have an outstanding sound quality.
Complex stuff by nature, but that's WT synthesis.

Last but not least an ad hoc sampler/resampler with extensive sound mangling: SamplR.
A true classic since the early days of IOS.
Just this single app for 10 bucks is worth an iPad One and an ioDock One alone.
One of the best regarding simplicity and workflow that I know.

ps: I may add that I don't mind geeky gimmicks - it's all about usability and sound for me... and I'm very(!) picky about the latter. I still have a Creamware DSP system and PT TDM.



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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2018, 09:03:57 PM »
Very cool Astroman... thanks for the info! ;D

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2018, 10:59:06 PM »
does twoMon let u use the touch interface of the ipad1 at all? or is it display only?
either way its a great thing to discover the one that works with the ipad1!!!

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2018, 09:42:41 AM »
in general touch events are translated to mouse actions, tap = click is safe.
Tap-hold could be right-click or initiate a selection rectangle. So it's usually one or the other...

Gestures need specific support in applications, there's no default set.
The Duet app has a mode (available as in-app purchase) for the Apple Pencil - resulting in a fairly low package price if you have an iPad anyway (running IOS 8 or above) and the respective graphic software.

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2018, 02:59:05 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mRVxOAeTTE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mRVxOAeTTE</a>
https://2tubenow.com/video/9mRVxOAeTTE/how-to-use-ipad-1-as-second-monitor-twomonusb.html

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Re: iOS related discussions? downgrading of older iOS devices possible?
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2018, 07:35:33 PM »
does anyone else on the site use ios devices in their production?

im mostly interested in finding out other uses of these older devices that are available for cheap
but can become indispensible tools when used in combination with certain apps..
like the twoMonUSB trick for using an old ipad as a "touch enabled display"

i need to do more research looking into other midi related software..

and answering questions such as:
has anyone else successfully bridged wireless wi-fi/bluetooth devices to their existing vintage midi setup?

etc etc