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Suggestion for graphics card
« on: October 16, 2017, 03:08:47 AM »
Hi! New user here!

I have a power macintosh 7600 upgraded with IDE drive, Steinberg st24/96 audio and 144 mb ram. I use it for MESA, Rebirth, Sound Diver, B4, Pro-52 and FM7. No gaming :-)
Can anyone guide me in the right direction if i want to put a new graphics card i the last available PCI slot?
Preferably with adc connector so I can use my 20" Apple cinema display.

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 05:48:37 PM »
It generally agreed that the best option for a 7600 is the  ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Edition

You get DVI and VGA outs. Results with a big Cinema are anybody's guess though. You may not be able to get a full image in that aspect ratio, but it should at least work. Should be cheap on fleabay.

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2017, 01:44:43 AM »

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 02:26:23 PM »
As far as I know, it will work.
9.2.2 is only required for full 3D acceleration which is irrelevant on a 7600.

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 04:15:11 PM »
Will this work?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Mac-G4-G5-ATI-Radeon-7000-PCI-64MB-Video-Card-DVI-VGA-S-Video-TV-Out-OS9-/200710223413?hash=item2ebb42f635:m:mosu41F9PFEhHQf6EhSbdGA

Seller states it needs os 9.2.2. Max for the 7600 is 9.1

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Upfront info this is a flashed pc card. I bought from that seller too. Works fine but you dont see anything until the drivers are loaded and activated.

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 01:59:53 PM »
Ok. Thanks for the info. I’ll give it a go and let you know how it goes.

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2017, 02:40:52 PM »
Hi All

I received the card but Unfortunately, i can’t make it work...
I downloaded the driver from www.howfunkel.com but stuffit expander won’t unstuff the file. At least not under mac os 9.1.
So instead i downloaded the radeon 7000 mac edition drivers from another site but the card is not recognized...
As devils_advisor said, it’s a flashed pc card. Shouldn’t that work with the mac edition driver?
I can see the card in system profiler, but when running the ATI display software, i get a message that ni ati hardware i present.

Any ideas?

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2017, 02:56:27 PM »
Get that driver the won't unstuff…unstuffed somehow. Find another computer to unstuff it on it you have to.

Then if it still doesn't work, turn it into a hi-tech doorstop and find the correct card.

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2017, 04:19:35 PM »
Hi All

I received the card but Unfortunately, i can’t make it work...
I downloaded the driver from www.howfunkel.com but stuffit expander won’t unstuff the file. At least not under mac os 9.1.
So instead i downloaded the radeon 7000 mac edition drivers from another site but the card is not recognized...
As devils_advisor said, it’s a flashed pc card. Shouldn’t that work with the mac edition driver?
I can see the card in system profiler, but when running the ATI display software, i get a message that ni ati hardware i present.

Any ideas?


let me check the machine i put the card in im sure i got what you need. but i would go for the 8500 drivers anyway that way you get the ati menu on the top right working too.

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2017, 01:49:04 AM »
the cards of these days were the voodoo ones, but of course they dont have the ADC you are looking for.

the cheapest ones were the cards from gravis and village tronic - with no 3D options but 2 or 3 VGA outputs.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2017, 03:37:08 AM »
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let me check the machine i put the card in im sure i got what you need. but i would go for the 8500 drivers anyway that way you get the ati menu on the top right working too.
Thanks, I will try a clean install and the 8500 driver as well.

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the cards of these days were the voodoo ones, but of course they dont have the ADC you are looking for.

the cheapest ones were the cards from gravis and village tronic - with no 3D options but 2 or 3 VGA outputs
Ok. I can live without ADC, since I have the dvi adaptor for my cinema display.

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Get that driver the won't unstuff…unstuffed somehow. Find another computer to unstuff it on it you have to.

Then if it still doesn't work, turn it into a hi-tech doorstop and find the correct card
:) I tried to unstuff it on my intel mac (sierra). Unstuffed fine, but when transferred to the 7600 the file was not recognized...

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2017, 11:15:11 AM »
i have to say to anyone who hasnt yet bought an radeon -
if u want to save yourself a massive amount of headaches..

personally i would
SKIP the 9200 radeons
SKIP the 7000 radeons

if you want no bugs and no hassles...
if u need PCI, buy an original green PCB radeon 7000 (with white printed radeon circular logo printed on it) or if u have AGP, use a Radeon 8500.

these will always work, i have bought one of these radeon 7000 cards from howfunkel or whatever and
i had alot of headaches with it for whatever reason.. regardless of what the details are..
i bought a real radeon 7000 pci for mac and i never had a single bug or problem with it.


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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2017, 12:48:56 PM »
I downloaded the driver from www.howfunkel.com but stuffit expander won’t unstuff the file.

Stuffit Expander 5.5 worked for me (OS8.1)

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2017, 01:57:00 PM »
Quote from: flemmingsa link=topic=4032.msg27558#mse=1509968228
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let me check the machine i put the card in im sure i got what you need. but i would go for the 8500 drivers anyway that way you get the ati menu on the top right working too.
Thanks, I will try a clean install and the 8500 driver as well.

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the cards of these days were the voodoo ones, but of course they dont have the ADC you are looking for.

the cheapest ones were the cards from gravis and village tronic - with no 3D options but 2 or 3 VGA outputs
Ok. I can live without ADC, since I have the dvi adaptor for my cinema display.

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Get that driver the won't unstuff…unstuffed somehow. Find another computer to unstuff it on it you have to.

Then if it still doesn't work, turn it into a hi-tech doorstop and find the correct card
:) I tried to unstuff it on my intel mac (sierra). Unstuffed fine, but when transferred to the 7600 the file was not recognized...


dont unstuff it in osx you get rid of the resource fork.

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2017, 01:58:35 PM »
i have to say to anyone who hasnt yet bought an radeon -
if u want to save yourself a massive amount of headaches..

personally i would
SKIP the 9200 radeons
SKIP the 7000 radeons

if you want no bugs and no hassles...
if u need PCI, buy an original green PCB radeon 7000 (with white printed radeon circular logo printed on it) or if u have AGP, use a Radeon 8500.

these will always work, i have bought one of these radeon 7000 cards from howfunkel or whatever and
i had alot of headaches with it for whatever reason.. regardless of what the details are..
i bought a real radeon 7000 pci for mac and i never had a single bug or problem with it.


i bought one of his cards and it works like it should.  Never had problems.  As a matter of fact i used it to make a video with that machine.

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2017, 04:09:58 PM »
:) I tried to unstuff it on my intel mac (sierra). Unstuffed fine, but when transferred to the 7600 the file was not recognized...
When I said "find another computer if you have to" I meant another OS9-capable one.
Here's a better idea. I downloaded the driver file from howfunkel to test.
I had no problem at all unstuffing (actually un-binhexing) the ATI file in Stuffit Expander.
Go to Macintosh Garden and download Stuffit standard 7.03 which contains Expander. Install that and try again.
As everybody said, you MUST do this in OS9. Unstuffing it in any other OS will f**k it up.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2017, 07:16:52 PM by GaryN »

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2017, 04:25:16 PM »
if you are having problems properly decoding an HQX file,
you should try using the BinHex4.0 app
https://www.macintoshrepository.org/479-binhex-4-0
which as far as i know was known for opening files that other apps  (such as Stuffit Expander) could not

users were directed to do so back in the day by seeing the message:
 "This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0"

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2017, 08:55:57 PM »
why does every thread here turn into a discussion about unarchiving, is that the new version of godwins law?

do you guys really think the OP has OSX on his PM 7600?
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
- DieHard, random forum troll at macos9lives.com

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2017, 08:32:51 AM »
why does every thread here turn into a discussion about unarchiving, is that the new version of godwins law?

do you guys really think the OP has OSX on his PM 7600?
This is what happens when you grow and start to attract a lot of people who are new to the Forum and the OS.
Unless you already know from experience, you don't expect a problem with a compressed file. Why? Because it a friggin' MAC. Everything is supposed to be ridiculously one-click easy! Until you experience it, you don't know a resource fork from a spoon.

Also, he never said he has OSX on a 7600. He has 9.1 in 144Mb of RAM.

This thread is / was about the best possible graphics card for his PM7600.
I told him to find a 7000 Mac Edition. But he got impatient and found…
What else? A flashed PC card. Why… no problem, what could go wrong?

So we're out in the weeds… as usual.  That's OK.   This is a forum and we share and help each other.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2017, 03:44:27 PM by GaryN »

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2017, 01:39:11 PM »
its also interesting to note that files on the web archive are given the mime type:
.hqx application/mac-binhex40   
.sea application/octet-stream

so binhex4.0 is the undisputed champion of .hqx

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2017, 01:16:12 AM »
Success! Did a fresh install and downloaded stuffit 7. This time I downloaded the driver from howfunkel.com on the actual Powermac 7600 via Internet explorer and it unstuffed as it was supposed to. Previously I downloaded the driver on my OS X machine and transferred via network browser, as I have done with everything else without problems...

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This is what happens when you grow and start to attract a lot of people who are new to the Forum and the OS.
Unless you already know from experience, you don't expect a problem with a compressed file. Why? Because it a friggin' MAC. Everything is supposed to be ridiculously one-click easy! Until you experience it, you don't know a resource fork from a spoon.
Spot on! I am new to OS9!

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When I said "find another computer if you have to" I meant another OS9-capable one.
Here's a better idea. I downloaded the driver file from howfunkel to test.
I had no problem at all unstuffing (actually un-binhexing) the ATI file in Stuffit Expander.
Go to Macintosh Garden and download Stuffit standard 7.03 which contains Expander. Install that and try again.
As everybody said, you MUST do this in OS9. Unstuffing it in any other OS will f**k it up.
Ohh... Newbie mistake  :-[



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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2017, 01:41:05 AM »
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This is what happens when you grow and start to attract a lot of people who are new to the Forum and the OS.

because he is new to the OS others suppose he runs OSX on a 7300? :)

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Unstuffing it in any other OS will f**k it up.

i wonder if you ever tried that. i unstuff files under OSX since many years. you only have to be careful how to transfer them to the OS9 machine. unstuffing itself does not destroy anything at all.

"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
- DieHard, random forum troll at macos9lives.com

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2017, 03:28:48 PM »
because he is new to the OS others suppose he runs OSX on a 7300? :)
As usual, I have NO idea what the hell you're talking about.
The only person who even mentioned OSX anywhere in this thread is you.
Unstuffing it in any other OS will f**k it up.

i wonder if you ever tried that. i unstuff files under OSX since many years. you only have to be careful how to transfer them to the OS9 machine. unstuffing itself does not destroy anything at all.
Perhaps you can do us all the fine favor or writing an essay on the processes and pitfalls of handling split-fork files in foreign environments so we can just add it to the knowledge base and refer other "newbies" to it. That way, we won't have to worry about having to explain over and over the finer points of exactly when and how they get separated / damaged and risk starting yet another discussion among ourselves because someone isn't happy about some little detail being technically incorrect.

Make sure you include all of the different OS's and OS versions and file types and why app files are more vulnerable than data files and exactly what one must do to successfully preserve the file integrity when handling them in those different environments after they've been un-binhexed and or unstuffed and the differences between Binhex and Stuffing in general.

Eventually you may begin to understand why I simply said "Unstuffing it in any other OS will f**k it up"

Or, we can continue to debate this ad nauseum…

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2017, 10:32:40 AM »
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Eventually you may begin to understand why I simply said "Unstuffing it in any other OS will f**k it up"

Or, we can continue to debate this ad nauseum…

I kinda subscribe to this approach also... it is much simpler to tell newbies, "unstuff only in OS9",  or "Don't mount OS9 volumes in OSX", or, "Don't add too many PCI cards in your G4 if you are recording Audio"... some will get angry and want to know a "reason why" and some are legitimately interested in the nuts and bolts of things, for those that function on the later, they can do research on their own (even search this forum) for old topics, we have many of the "reasons why" already debated.  Lastly, if our worldly advise does not make sense or does not work for someone who has specific needs, then self-learning is an option, we can only express what we have discovered via experience and try to save time for others :)

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Re: Suggestion for graphics card
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2017, 07:21:20 PM »
yeah and we might also add "be careful not to drink your coffee too hot", which is also a great tip - just not not releated the original problem. :)

first of all, Mac OS 9 is the only operating system which ships with stuffit included.

and the OP was already at this point: "I downloaded the driver from www.howfunkel.com but stuffit expander won’t unstuff the file. At least not under mac os 9.1"

i see no reason why someone should assume that he might have tried anything else first in line.

GaryN wrote:
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The only person who even mentioned OSX anywhere in this thread is you.

flemmingsa wrote:
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I tried to unstuff it on my intel mac (sierra). Unstuffed fine, but when transferred to the 7600 the file was not recognized...

sierra == OSX. the rest is shadowboxing.

the first one who mentioned OSX was the OP. the others ones were those who mentioned that all other OSes except OS9 wont work.

which is 1. not correct and 2. doesnt fix his problem on OS9 since he didnt make it using OS9 either.

meanwhile our favorite guy talks about something releated to hxq, which isnt releated to the unstuffing problem of the OP at all.

pretty confusing if you ask me. :)
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
- DieHard, random forum troll at macos9lives.com