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Offline IIO

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what graphics card is that?
« on: July 16, 2017, 09:35:49 AM »
this is an MDD. what AGP card could that be with 1x ADC and 1x DVI-I ?


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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 09:49:59 AM »
i think thats a ati card, nvidia ti had these ports too

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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 10:00:04 AM »
i just found out that there were 9000 pro´s whith this option. i have quite some ati´s but all are VGA/DVI ... ok so it is mor eliekly that is an ATI than some idiot who put a card from a G5 in here. danke!
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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 03:52:46 PM »
MDD's came stock with the Ati Radeon 9000 Pro or with the optional Nvidia GeForce 4 Ti4600 128Mb.
Both had the ADC & DVI outs.

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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2017, 07:30:02 AM »
hm, mine didnt.
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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2017, 07:35:21 AM »
fun stuff, i have two dual 1,25 and both have a radeon 9000 with VGA/DVI.

according to the specs the 9000 pro can not even do WUXGA on the cursed apple port? only 1600x1200? why is that?
that would be the next reason not to buy this. :)
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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2017, 07:42:07 AM »

hehe, according to everymac the quicksilver 2002 also came orginally with ATI card of that port configurations.

ALL 2002 machines i have ever seen came with a geforce 4 with DVI.

is that the difference between theory and practice mr. lenin always spoke of?
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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2017, 10:46:29 AM »
I have only had and seen Radeon 9000 64mb MDD's with ADC and DVI. My old card (before I upgraded to a GeForce 4 Ti4600) worked in 1920x1200 without any issues what so ever.

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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2017, 03:42:05 PM »
Knez is correct. My 9000 happily drives a 1920 x 1200 23" Cinema HD Display on ADC and a 22" 1600 x 1024 Cinema Display on DVI (thru an Apple power brick) in dual-display extended mode all day long.

HOWEVER…

There were other options with the original MDDs: An ATI Rage 128 that was ADC / VGA, and an Nvidia GeForce4 MX 32Mb ADC / DVI (for the hopelessly cheap folks)

I think there were lots of cards floating around at the time left over from Quicksilvers that were ADC / VGA that found their way into MDDs. Handy for "converting" Windoze people with existing VGA monitors possibly…

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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2017, 07:49:12 AM »
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Nvidia GeForce4 MX 32Mb ADC
havent seen one of those before either. but as it seems i must have been really lucky not to run into the ADC trap until now!

i find it a weird idea already that most cards offer 2 different ports.
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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2017, 04:15:41 PM »
ADC was not so much a "trap" as it was just another attempt by Apple to create a proprietary standard that would keep you in the Apple "ecosystem". On the surface, it was not a bad idea. One single cable carried the signal, USB and power from the cool silver-and-clear computers to the matching very high-quality Cinema display.
It's the same logic that was behind ADB - reduce cable clutter and keep everybody buying Apple.

My personal opinion is that it unfortunately is the cause of a lot of smoked PSU's. They crammed that extra 25v stuff into an already tight space, then needed a couple of loud hi-speed fans to keep it all from burning up-especially for the freaks (like me) who stuffed 4 HDDs, 3 or 4 PCI cards and a couple of DVD drives in there as well. Everybody bitched about the noise, they provided replacement fans that were marginally quieter but pushed the system closer to the edge of the safe operating temp range, every self-proclaimed genius replaced the fans with quieter ones without knowing a damn thing about thermal dynamics, PSU's started failing and finally somebody said "hey guys, this is not worth it".

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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2017, 10:03:22 AM »
From Gary...
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they provided replacement fans that were marginally quieter but pushed the system closer to the edge of the safe operating temp range, every self-proclaimed genius replaced the fans with quieter ones without knowing a damn thing about thermal dynamics, PSU's started failing and finally somebody said "hey guys, this is not worth it"

As always... spot on Gary. Most people that replace the fans in the PSU do not research the extremely high CFM values of the original fans and yes... they kill their PSU from heat.  There is a fine line between "Quieter" and "Hotter"

As we have seen, there are some extreme Mods that lower both temperatures and noise, but they require time, tools, effort, and skill :)

I recommend a few easy tips for newbiews...
1) Replace all mechanical hard drives with SSDs (targets both noise and excess heat)
2) Have a FW400 device plugged in (automatically throttles down the internal fans) as some have mentioned
3) For single CPU configurations, replace the main 120MM fan with a silentX, very easy MOD, close CFM values

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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2017, 01:41:01 PM »
ADC was not so much a "trap" as it was just another attempt by Apple to create a proprietary standard that would keep you in the Apple "ecosystem".

i agree ... plus the story with the G4 PSUs plus the expensive adapters plus the almost unaffordable solution which is requried to connect apple monitors to dell computers ... that´s why i call it a trap. :)
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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2017, 02:52:20 PM »
plus the almost unaffordable solution which is requried to connect apple monitors to dell computers ...
Connect to WHAT??!!??

Oh you dirty girl…

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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2017, 03:23:35 PM »
...well, or to apple computers without ADC.

what a stupid idea to introduce a custom standard and then they dont even use it themselves in half their products. apple not compatible to apple, congratulations.
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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2017, 12:20:39 PM »
so, i have checked again what kind of stuff i have there with VGA/DVI:

- radeon 7000 64 PCI
 - radeon 9000 32 PCI
 - radeon 9000 64 PCI
 - radeon 9000 Pro 64 PCI
 - radeon 9200 128 PCI


and in each of my my dual 1,25s i have as the main card a *drumroll*

- radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP

i suppose there has never been a "mac editon" of this AGP card with 128 mb DDR memory, right? so they must be hackintoshed by the preowner?


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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2017, 02:55:48 PM »
The 9800 Pro is a G5 card. It's 8x AGP.
Unless pins 3 and 11 are either taped over or those traces are cut or resistors lifted to disconnect them - then they'll run at 4x.
BUT they won't power an ADC monitor without modification because the tab that picks up the 25v is in a different position and doesn't line up with the 4x AGP socket.

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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2017, 08:23:42 PM »
i never tried ADC (because it doesnt have ADC) but that makes sense. they have a 5-12V connector though. or is that for the fan?
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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2017, 08:31:25 PM »
indeed - taped over.
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Re: what graphics card is that?
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2017, 05:25:54 PM »
i never tried ADC (because it doesnt have ADC) but that makes sense. they have a 5-12V connector though. or is that for the fan?
If it doesn't have ADC it's not a Mac edition so it's probably a flashed PC card.