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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #80 on: January 24, 2022, 08:08:24 PM »
I know this was asked before, but someone on this website told me that the DLSD G4 PowerBooks will boot into OS 9 with simple open firmware commands. Can someone try this, as I was able to get the boot loader to see OS 9 universal installer from this website, but when I tried to boot it the system turned off, possibly incompatible video or sound maybe.

Here is the link:  https://mac-classic.com/articles/mac-os-9-on-unsupported-systems/

He told me to apply some screamer script. but still getting the samething. Can someone give this a try and see what is the reason why once OS 9 disc is selected, it will start booting, but then turn off.

Thanks,

I think we are making progress, if we can get the G4 DLSD 15 and 17 inch models to boot, I think we can safely say the G4 PowerBooks can all support, though unsupported OS 9.2.2

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #81 on: January 24, 2022, 09:18:04 PM »
I know this was asked before, but someone on this website told me that the DLSD G4 PowerBooks will boot into OS 9 with simple open firmware commands.

Well, he actually said "I don't remember if it was a DLSD Model..." (Double Layer SuperDrive/High-Resolution)
Which unfortunately, is all the way up to a 5,8 model and uncharted territory, the more you stray, from the chips/chipsets and other board features of the OS 9 compatible hardware, you will be SOL when it comes to a workable OS9 unit; the 7447a is OK, but you are introducing DD2 (instead of DDR1 PC2700 like the unit I made this thread about) and other motherboard changes. 

If you have an old G4 desktop or older Mac OS 9 native G4 laptop...
The 7447a will still need OF patch, but then you can put the unit in target mode (the 5,8 model still has a FW port) and install to the Laptop's HD (as I did here), then replace the ROM file with the iMic ROM, after that try to boot, if that does not work and it "reboots" it's safe to say the 5,8 models are too different for the iMic ROM


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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #82 on: January 25, 2022, 09:07:53 AM »

A Dummy plug will enable the speakers to work, however on mine only the left speaker works so not sure if that's a thing or if speaker is cooked?


Your speaker might be cooked - mine work just fine. Btw, have you tested them under OS X?

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #83 on: January 26, 2022, 08:38:54 AM »

Your speaker might be cooked - mine work just fine. Btw, have you tested them under OS X?

I just noticed the speaker issue when I checked the dummy plug for GigaG... haven't tested under OS X.

I've mostly been using headphones and had the volume cranked/maxed while playing drums so I could have fried it doing that! Haha!  ;D

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #84 on: February 16, 2022, 08:14:27 AM »
« Last Edit: February 16, 2022, 10:30:10 AM by Protools5LEGuy »
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #85 on: February 16, 2022, 11:10:56 AM »
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Heat sink pad on upper lid is critical, replace it and no CPU overheating and it will fix cache error

Can you elaborate it, please?

I have two thermal blue strips unused from a nvme disk.

OK, so this is one of those weird mind fucks that makes you think you are crazy,  I just watched 3 videos from OWC and a bunch of videos from other people and the thermal pads are no where to be seen ?!!

Finally, this manual on page 75 shows the pad and comments on it, even though all the photos in the rest of manual ignore it and do not show it on the logic board; on page 75 they even explain it may "stick" to the top cover (as it often does):

https://www.applerepairmanuals.com/the_manuals_are_in_here/PowerBook_G4_17in.pdf



NVMe pads should work fine, just test the thickness, or research the part numbered mentioned in the manual for specs.

It is also explains on subsequent pages that you can re-do the actual CPU arctic silver/pads if you remove the logic board, I never did that procedure on this model, the easily accessed thermal pad that covers the 2 chips corrected the cache error when I put back it back in place and secured the top lid; but knowing the age of these units, a complete breakdown, cleaning and cpu re-arcticing is probably a good idea for longevity as they run hot; maintenance on older macs (especially these laptops) is not for the squeamish.  It's funny that the Pismos are older, yet are sooo much easier to work on... literally a fraction of the time to break down an entire G3... unless you are talking iBook, I just throw those away as I hate them, so many hours of my life wasted simply changing a hard drive in those piss-poorly designed units.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2022, 10:01:13 AM by DieHard »

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #86 on: February 27, 2022, 04:32:42 PM »
Just recently returned to this wonderful place. Well I have acquired a 17" G4 1Ghz. Upgraded the HD to MSATA 128GB. Target firewire to my Powerbook (TI) restore the Die Hard DAW, all good. I replaced the rom but the little shit will be not boot. Just a flashing folder. Is this because I have not installed OS9 drivers? Slightly confused, any help would be much appreciated.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #87 on: February 28, 2022, 02:44:44 AM »
>Is this because I have not installed OS9 drivers?

I've said this on previous posts, but here it is again:

To boot into OS 9, the OS 9 drivers must be installed on the Hard Drive, by erasing the whole hard drive.
You CANNOT install the OS 9 drivers on a single partition.

DiscUtility 11.1 will accomplish this, and after erasing and installing the OS 9 drivers, it will partition the Hard Drive.

DiscWarrior 4.3 will "bless" all Systems. Just run it on any partition you want to be bootable, and it will be.

If a Partition has information on it for Copy Protected applications, Carbon Copy Cloner 3.4.7 is able to clone a partition, preserving the copy protection on the cloned drive. You must manually select "clone" instead of copy.

Drive Genius 2.2.1  is able to clone a whole hard drive rather than just a partition. I have never tested whether it copies the OS 9 drivers, which are installed on the first 8 invisible partitions. To test this, you would need 3 Hard Drives (NOT partitions)
  1)  a bootable OS X hard drive with Drive Genius on it
  2) a hard drive with OS 9 drivers installed and with a blessed OS 9 System Folder
  3) a hard drive that you want to clone OS 9 to

Please report back your results!


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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #88 on: February 28, 2022, 04:26:00 AM »
yep, no OS9 drivers, no OS9 boot.
requires a reformat of the whole drive.
and in case you only have 10.5.x installed, discutil wont do it anymore, so you have to do it via console (or via a 10.4.x or OS9 bootabale media - this is how we basically suggest it for the macmini by providing a CD image)
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2022, 03:00:09 PM »
Well I finally made the destination and could have saved myself a whole load of coasters and going the scenic route! :(

I did think OS9 drivers were the issue but needed to verify hence the last message. Several attempts in Target Firewire mode with my TiBook to no avail - Tried Diskwarrior, I purchased this many years ago and managed to get it boot and rebuild but nada. I went hunting for Jaguar OS discs also, found them and burnt them. Wouldn't boot. Tried OS 10.4 disc 1, no drivers. In the end my last shot was the Disc for Unsupported machines - to my suprise, booted straightaway and installed in 10 mins. Everything now setup. Just finished installing my old Logic Pro and dug out the XS Key, a long with Reason 2.5. Got an old Mbox so will grab LE from here also. Just need to decide the most stable interface. Firewire Edirol FA101 could be my next purchase. Recently acquired an old Triton and JV1080 also so will be getting everything midi'd up to my MT4. Will be interesting to see how it pans out over the next few weeks. Currently working in Live/FL Studio on MacBook Air M1 & Mac Pro.

As for the Powerbook G4 17" - this is the 1GHz version with 2GB ram installed. Fastest machine to date for me re OS9, so snappy and amazeballs. I have a few TIBooks, 1 with a MSata, it flies but sounds like a wind tunnel on full whack after a while. 

The only issues with 17" is the speakers. Cannot figure out the exact part to replace. When I first got the machine I had OSX 10.4.11 installed but audio only worked through plugged in headphones, can live without it but would be nice at some point.

Thank you all to making this possible.

Cheers,

Shea.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #90 on: June 09, 2022, 12:44:19 PM »
I decided to pull the trigger on a first generation PowerBook G4 A1010 867Mhz. I really like the 12" form factor  8)

What will be the best/easiest way of installing MacOS 9 on it? Any chance that it can dual-boot with Sorbet, or even better triple-boot: MacOS9, Sorbet, Linux ? (yeah, Linux guy, sorry!).
I do not have a Titanium that I can connect over Firewire... I do have a G3 Clamshell 366Mhz (no firewire) with MacOS 9.2.2 and a PowerMac G5 with Firewire (but running MacOSX Sorbet, Linux & MorphOS)

Thanks!

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #91 on: April 24, 2023, 09:42:07 AM »
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Heat sink pad on upper lid is critical, replace it and no CPU overheating and it will fix cache error

Can you elaborate it, please?

I have two thermal blue strips unused from a nvme disk.

NVMe pads should work fine, just test the thickness, or research the part numbered mentioned in the manual for specs.

So, guys, how thick those thermal pads should be? Mine is also complaining about cache problems upon boot. ASD 2.1.4 shows L3 cache = 0 :(
And I see no remains of any kind of thermal pads attached to either top lid or any of the two chips.

Also, on mine, the left side fan is noisy and right side fan is dead and loose (unglued). Anyone have any spares lying around?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #92 on: May 16, 2023, 07:56:51 AM »
Answering my own question..

Not willing to pay "premium price" for boutique cooling products, I ordered 1 mm thick no-name silicon thermal pads.
At first I tried one layer. No change, cache still disabled. I then put two layers (2x 1 mm) of thermal pad and cache briefly came back to life. PowerLogix's CPU Director was able to see it for a moment, but then the machine froze and afterwards the cache remained disabled.
2 mm is definitely too much because with two layers keyboard has a bump in the area where the cache chips are located.

Now comes the interesting part. I was given another machine that had many parts, especially top cover, missing. Powered it up and it had no problems with cache and it did not complain about unknown USB device!!!
Ran it for a couple of hours without the cover - cache chips were only getting warm, not hot, like on the machine with problems.

I also noticed, that the guy with PB G4 5,1 prototype on YouTube had problems with cache.
Protools5LEGuy reported that tightening the keyboard screws - i.e. applying more pressure to cache chips, brought cache back to life.

All this and my experience (I'm an EE) tells me that this is more of a contact than thermal problem. Bad batch of mobos, bad soldering, imperfect soldering jig, failing cache chips or something inbetween. The problem might be similar to failing GPUs on G3 portables or 2011 15" MBPs.

It also might explain why one does not see thermal pads in various videos and don't find thermal pads in machines that have been "serviced" *. Absence of thermal pads will guarantee that the machine will disable failing cache upon startup and nobody, except technically minded people, will notice this in OSX.

* The first one that I bought have traces of "repair" - one of the caps near the cache has been fiddled with.

More later..
« Last Edit: May 16, 2023, 09:02:27 AM by ssp3 »
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #93 on: October 19, 2023, 10:15:59 PM »
Appreciate the guidance from this thread, I have a 17” pb G4 1ghz booting with macos 9 with similar symptoms. I was able to get past a few of these annoyances:

Ethernet- smc 2208usb gives me 10/100, limited by usb bandwidth. A bit slow but usable.
Unknown device at startup- removed the bluetooth board, resolved
Speaker disabled: etch cut on the audio connector board, internal speakers always on. Boot chime doesn’t come through, logic seems reversed at initial power-on.

Promising platform!


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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2023, 03:38:12 PM »
So this is Pretty hilarious that even in the Apple Service manual it mentions the thermal pad and then all pictures after they mention it, have the thermal pad missing; obviously the unit they dis-assembled had the thermal pad stick to the top

In the winter on 2023 or Spring of 2024, we will hear more about the 17" 5,1 as the units that I used to start this post have been shipped to "FBz Industries" for further evaluation and dissection.


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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: PowerBook G4 17" Aluminum 5,1 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #95 on: October 21, 2023, 05:27:41 PM »
Looks like it might be a “Laptop Winter” here at the ol’ Ranch.
And yes I’ve already read through all these posts (twice, so far)
pre-warming up to the eventual task.

Thanks DH! ;)

It would be nice to have an OS9 functioning 17" G4
here upstairs... instead of the trusty, high-mileage G3 iBook.