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What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« on: June 08, 2017, 02:11:39 PM »
So what did you do today with your PowerPC Mac? Be it just fiddling with it, upgrading it or doing something creative with it.

I myself unplugged my MDD, took it to the kitchen table to give it a good clean and move some air flow obstructing cables around, and remove the internal speaker to perhaps create a new route for air flow through the case.

Having done all this and taken some pictures of it (see below), I plugged it in again and pressed the power button. The button lights up for as long as I keep my finger on it, but the machine wont boot. PMU reset button does nothing, so I guess the original since 2002 PMU battery finely kicked the bucket. Just ordered a new battery off eBay and it will arrive next week. So a week without my MDD (my main computer). Hope it goes well. End of rant ;)


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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2017, 04:55:41 PM »
Did you hook up a xskey to the internal usb port? Btw remove all the cards and reset the machine again, that helped me last time. The machine should work with or without battery.

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2017, 10:53:27 PM »
It's not an xskey but a Usb Bluetooth dongle. Will try more stuff when I get home. Going to Prague to drink beer over the weekend ;)

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2017, 06:56:13 AM »
Going to Prague to drink beer over the weekend ;)

A worthy endeavor!! The Czech 'Budweiser' is COMPLETELY different from the US stuff and Much better!! ;D ;D ;D

 

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2017, 12:01:34 AM »
A worthy endeavor!! The Czech 'Budweiser' is COMPLETELY different from the US stuff and Much better!! ;D ;D ;D


I have actually never tried any beer made in the US :P

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2017, 03:36:46 AM »
You go there to have some staropramen, that will knock you out of your socks.

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2017, 04:52:22 AM »
You go there to have some staropramen, that will knock you out of your socks.

Its good stuff indeed! You can buy all the Chech beer in Sweden as well, but drinking them in their home country feels much nicer ;)

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2017, 08:58:45 AM »
Just remember to be careful to never share your beer with your PowerPC Mac. ;)  (Seriously, I actually did spill half a bottle of beer in a PC keyboard before!  It took forever to clean it out completely.)

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2017, 10:03:36 AM »
Topic.

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2017, 12:37:05 PM »
at least you, bu. nice one.

me... well not much. i was answering a few mails on the mac and then i went back to programming on the window lap - shame over me, but it saves energy, and the mac mini i ordered 5 day ago has not yet arrived at my house.

p.s. oh wait, i also had live 4 OSX open for a minute, to check something technical there.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2017, 01:21:20 PM »
VSC  ;D

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2017, 03:40:02 PM »
could have been "acoustic and granular effect" as well.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2017, 10:58:04 AM »
Got the MDD and the G5 up off the floor and onto the “working table” yesterday and cleaned up all that surrounding chaos. I did install Adobe CS2 on the G5 and rough-tested some Photoshop tasking. (I did not like it.) Funny thing was, the MDD beat the G5 on boot-startup by a mile (using OS X on both at boot). Wondering now what I’ll actually ever do with that G5. May try Photoshop 7 PowerPC install.

Then, moved over to the G3 and did some file clean-up/trashing, getting it ready to be replaced soon by the MDD. Spent the entire day down there picking up, organizing and tossing junk.

Speaking of junk. Delved a little into an old Apple CRT monitor that either the flyback’s gone/going, or completely covered in dust/sludge. Nice bright arc and that wonderful ozone schmell upon attempted startup. Someday maybe, I’ll take the time… most likely however it’ll go to the recyclers along with the rest of my old CRT collection. (Apple discontinued flyback free-fix on that monitor back in 2005.) Big Blue LaCie’s still plugging right along.

Looked into ATI updates to see if I could get the G3 monitor resolution up to par in OS 9 versus OS 10.3.9 -- 1920 x 1080 resolution (for yes, the dreaded LG flat panel). This will be postponed/held up until later this week. New motherboard for G4 DA should arrive today, so that tops the to-do list.

Anyone know the screw/thread size for the old Apple Cinema Display back, lucite leg? Intend to do a temporary fix, drilling up and screwing from the bottom side. Again, not knowing how much life is left in that monitor… not going to invest a lot of time or $$$ on it.

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2017, 02:05:37 PM »
I'm at this very moment in the process of reinstalling 9.2.2 on my PowerBook G3 Kanga after it got a 30gb KingSpec SSD. It's amazing how quiet it is now compared to when it had the old original 5GB drive.

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2017, 07:58:47 AM »
Just ordered a new battery off eBay and it will arrive next week. So a week without my MDD (my main computer). Hope it goes well. End of rant ;)

PRAM battery arrived today. Just changed it and all is well again. Writing this from the mighty MDD. Now I just need to get the passive graphics card cooler and figure out how to silence my PSU... Onwards against the goal of having the ultimate MDD ;)

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2017, 08:49:28 AM »
Hey-Zeus de-Christo! (Patience is indeed a virtue.) Congratulations Knez.

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2017, 01:42:26 PM »
Just finished installing my new passive Zalman cooler on my GeForce 4 Ti4600.
Works great and fits without any modifications :)


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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2017, 08:47:07 AM »
Pretty groovy Knez!!! ;D ;D

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2017, 05:50:18 PM »
Almost posted this elsewhere but I finally found / stumbled upon, this thread again.

Tore down and deep-cleaned an Apple 17” LCD/ADC Studio Display last night. (It looked as if someone had intentionally sprayed coca-cola on the screen and had allowed it to run down into and “cook” behind the bezel). Then, used (now nearly forgotten), *Novus Scratch Remover & Plastic Clean and Shine on the external clear plastic/lucite bits and got it looking pretty good overall. (*Good stuff, always used on motorcycle fairing windscreens and helmet face shields.) Fired it up and all was well… except for many dark “smudgy” areas on the screen’s display when powered up.

I think this monitor had been stored flat on its “back” and possibly with some weight resting upon the screen.

Now, I’m aware of the historic backlight and inverter problems associated with this monitor, but this seems more LCD-screen related. (Identical spots in same positions no matter which machine it’s attached to.)

So now (after all this time - monitor originally built around 2001), I’m wondering about a low-cost source for TFT replacement screens?  (Sorry, just can’t see sinking over $200 on a new screen.) I’ll keep looking. Anyone?

It will work fine as a palette monitor (non-color critical), but it would be nice to find a low-cost source and have a fully functional like-new monitor without the smudges. AND of course, this LCD has yet to develop the overall magenta color shift, so common with monitors of this type.

Yet, if this keeps up I may finally be attempting the (long-avoided and highly-dreaded), CRT discharge and flyback transformer replacement(s) effort… on all the big dead CRTs that I’ve yet to dispose of. (Threatening myself.)

So… what did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2017, 02:19:07 AM »
if you're familiar with the 17" inverter problem you know that it's strictly area based and as such can tell the difference.
I remember an Apple 15" monitor of similiar built that only got one short hit while beeing transported on a backseat, but this never healed.

My G3 B/W will do it's ProTools TDM job as regular and happily exchanges with the rest of the family via Synology NAS. No problems with handling resource forks whatsoever, appears like a native Apple fileserver.

The Macbook Alu 1ghz 15" will get some rest. Running in a usable way with 2nd screen (Eizo CGW) at 1900x1200, but some flaws:
Network doesn't negotiate and runs 100/half duplex, FW and PC-card dead, and most of all the CPU seems locked at 500 MHZ. Cross-checked with the same app that only taxes the CPU on the G3 and results were nearly identical.
(need to aquire some open firmware knowledge before dugging deeper)


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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2017, 08:12:21 AM »
My G3 B/W will do it's ProTools TDM job as regular and happily exchanges with the rest of the family via Synology NAS. No problems with handling resource forks whatsoever, appears like a native Apple fileserver.

great to hear that the Synology NAS is working properly for you!
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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2017, 02:58:20 PM »
Tried to run Shufflepuck on a 1.25GHz eMac with 9.2.2 Classic and 10.4.11 - Ran too fast! Tried Basilisk II (OS 8.0, 68040) - a bit slower but still too fast. But if you want to run it on eMac, you may try Mini vMac if they have it on PPC.

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2017, 09:08:49 AM »
From The Bootable PCI SATA & SSD thread
DieHard, it only works on Mac capable of booting 10.5.x though, since the iDefrag DVD uses a custom version of 10.5 to boot into. If you have iDefrag, just use the link in the picture to create a bootable DVD. You can choose from a Intel only or a Universal DVD (10.5 based).

Looks like those iDefrag links are now dead...

I installed a 700 GB SATA drive into a G5 last night to see if I could "recover" it. Came from a relative's old Windows machine that the Geek Squad had prompted them to replace after a "hang". It clicked and clunked a bit and I could't access any data from it, so I simply HFS+ reformatted it and all the clicks, clacks and clunks went away. Moved about a Gig of files to it and then (gasp), ran Norton CD (OS X boot), to check, defrag and optimize it. No probs. Then erased the moved files and found myself with a large blank SATA HD. Of course, MTBF might limit its actual dependability… but I’ve a cheap drive to test in the meantime.

Now, I've been considering the SATA card route for the MDD lately (and possibly the SSD option), yet with the inexpensive IDE/SATA adapters mentioned by both DieHard and Mactron… this might be an intermediate (quite low cost), step to install, test and possibly use, this resurrected SATA drive (and others), before purchasing a SSD.

The MDD PCI bus is 64 bits or 32 bits and 33 Mhz. this allow a Max bandwidth of 133 MB/s (32 bit) or 266 MB/s (64 bits). All the SATA PCI cards for Mac os 9 are 32 bits. This allow a Max bandwidth of 133 MB/s. This fact and sharing the PCI bus with other cards (like in/out audio and DSP cards) let this SATA cards low room for improvements. The ATA/100 in the MDD is direct connected to the UniNorth. Not sharing PCI bus bandwith allows the IDE/SATA adaptors be a not-so-bad option, and the cheap and easy choice.

I been using for several months −with good results− one like this:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-PATA-IDE-TO-Serial-ATA-SATA-Interface-Hard-Drive-Adapter-Converter-/300945676416?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item4611c29880
http://dx.com/p/rxd-629a-parallel-pata-to-serial-sata-hard-disk-converter-green-black-white-165213

It would be interesting to see some test results with those SATA cards against these adaptors.

Anyone ever do that performance comparison? And yes, I’ll probably spring for a copy of iDefrag, eventually.

What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2017, 02:30:44 PM »
I've used similiar adapters a lot to convert the Mac ATA side to a Sata drive.
All cheapo/phantasy brand names in the $10-20 price range which all worked without exception.
The only penalty is a couple of more 'folder blinks' while booting (as if the Mac searches the drive, for about 5-10 seconds) after that it starts in a regular way.

Some of these adapters have a small button to flip direction, because they convert both ways.
But no state indicators. Can't remember the proper instruction, but always got them back to work by pressing that button when powering the device.

I have one in a Cube G4 (damn tight to fit in, had to screw the metal cage a bit) with a Transcend 8 GB SSD (an industrial SLC model, still about $120).
Never did a precise benchmark, though. It's speedy, but definitely not blazingly fast.
I assume it's more reliable that current disks with more complex management schemes like MLC or even TLC.

Some very good experiences here with so called disk-on-modules, which are just a plug to the onboard ATA connector. My Pro Tools TDM G3 B/W has a 1GB boot/program setup.
Most such drives range from 1-4 GB and need power (adapter for floppy or disk power sometimes included)
Of course data must be stored on a 2nd drive.


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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2017, 02:58:18 PM »
Thanks for the info Astroman. You are “livin-on-the-edge” there a bit, attempting to do anything inside of a Cube. (I think my fingers are too large.) I’ll certainly explore the on-disk modules further.

I’m basically trying to revive this thread a little, so that many new visitors to the forum may become a bit more involved, possibly sharing their exploits (albeit perhaps, some possibly humorous)… and at the same time, get additional info like that which you’ve kindly provided. (And previously provided… concerning the LCD/ADC Studio Display!)

Tip: If you read back in this thread a bit, you might find some very sage advice indeed, about not spilling half-a-beer into one’s keyboard via a voluntary confession. ;)

(I’m not making fun of anyone… especially after my earlier ⌘+Y comment.)

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2017, 03:49:26 PM »
tbh it almost broke my heart to cut the metal cage and tear it a bit to fit everything inside.
(at least the stain isn't visible from outside)

got my 'personal' repair diploma for a MacBook 17" (not mine) on which a glass of wine was spilled, at a time iFixit didn't yet exist. Complete dissection and rebuild took a night.

Apple was really smart with their idea of a sealed keyboard bottom, but to leave open grills for the geeky light sensor. So the (quality) beverage directly found it's way to the CPU... giving it a nice charcoal tan  ;D
All turned out well and the thing kept running - some wine had made it up into the LCD display and was regarded a feature from then on - frequently giving a 'do you remember...' laugh  8)

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2017, 04:09:58 PM »
Or... after a long day and a seemingly longer night flight home from Chicago... I decided to disassemble an Apple 17" CRT to deep clean/dust it (because it simply could not wait until the next morning). I somehow accidentally "tapped" it with something metal and watched the tube implode in my hands!

Job well done!

Went straight to bed (as I should have done when I first got home).

No TV, NO supper! >:(

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2017, 04:56:50 PM »
I'm glad to see you're not complaining.

You "watched a CRT implode in your hands" apparently without receiving an eyeful of glass shards OR a lungful of phosphorus.

Count your blessings Fury. You must have done something good this year.

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2017, 09:14:21 AM »
Finished the initial blow-out and clean-up of the recently acquired Omaha G4s this morning at around 2 a.m. Both Quicksilvers booted, first attempt.

The three 1.42 GHz MDDs… not quite so lucky. One of those (with rear sticker from der Apple), noted as “reconditioned”. Suspect all, PSUs… but I’ll begin with the reconditioned MDD by checking for voltage at the MOBO… and if sufficiently present, may attempt the run-jumper bypass to negate possible faulty start button. It has a Samsung PSU. I’ll eventually clean that out, inspect the fuse and use it for my first exploratory foray into the Samsungs’ innerworkings (and their prohibitive heatsink configs). If nothing else, line-art mapping of the Samsung PSU and its’ cap locations/specs will become a by-product (here and over with Toasty at the BadCaps forum).

The other two MDDs have AcBel PSUs and simple recapping attempt(s) might be in their near future.

In addition, was finally able to contact Knezzen und now… one of the copper heatsinks will soon be headed his way. Back in August I believe, he mentioned a Sonnet 1.8 GHz MDX that he intended to utilize in building “The World’s Fastest MDD”. Hopefully, with a bit of overclocking, a copper heatsink and maybe Urdvurks’ very cool, custom vent/fan cooling modifications (or other)… GOAL!

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2017, 09:59:14 PM »
knez is putting the  8) "cool" in "Cooler"
was it mentioned above what brand/make/model this cooler is?
are there many other diff brands/models to choose from that would also work?
interesting idea.. it must be pretty damn good cooler to passively cool a ti4600

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2017, 10:00:04 PM »
I have actually never tried any beer made in the US :P

you arent missing much! lol

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2017, 11:34:28 PM »
knez is putting the  8) "cool" in "Cooler"
was it mentioned above what brand/make/model this cooler is?
are there many other diff brands/models to choose from that would also work?
interesting idea.. it must be pretty damn good cooler to passively cool a ti4600

The GPU cooler is a Zalman VNF100 and it actually works great. And it's quiet ;). Going to try to reach 2ghz with the MDX as soon as I get the MDD copper heatsink from Fury :)

Thanks again, Fury!

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2018, 02:32:26 PM »
Got the copper heatsink from Fury yesterday along with one dual 1.25ghz CPU card and one dual 1.42ghz CPU card.
Put the copper heatsink on today along with some fresh Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound.
The idle temperature remains the same (around 40C in my 20C cold/hot room), but I'm unable to push it beyond 51C even when running benchmarks over and over again.

A very good result to say the least :).

Thank you once again, Fury!

The CPU cards will be tested and overclocked when I get more time on my hands.

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Re: What did you do with your PowerPC Mac today?
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2018, 10:59:44 AM »
Certainly, Knez’s neighbors appreciate all their lights going dim every time he fires up that beast.  :o
Happy here that package made the journey safely! Thank YOU Knez, glad to be a very small part of your project.
Hands Across The Pond. :)

Finally “solved” the one dead QS FireWire port prob here with a TI chipset FW pci card.
(Agere LINK/PHY chipset card, strangely would not work. Won't even boot.)
Now, as long as FW device is plugged in at startup… there it is. Not hot-swappable, even with OS 10.4.6 present.

Anyone have success with Adaptec DuoConnect USB/FW card (AUA-3020? PTI-216N) in an QS?
Won’t even boot when installed on this QS. I’ll try it in an MDD… much later.
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