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Cubase TDM 4.1
« on: August 12, 2016, 02:00:20 PM »
At the same time released and TDM-version of Cubase to the same number. The new program supports all currently available versions of Pro Tools stations. However, Cubase 4.1 TDM does not support VST architecture. Yes, the Cubase TDM that, in fact, does not require - a system using cards with TDM architecture, more powerful than any software-based VST-type system.

Who has this version of Cubase TDM 4.1.?

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2016, 03:34:53 PM »
there was also a Cubase Audio v3.0 TDM version
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1199.0

heres a thread around 2000 where someone mentions at that time cubase had decided to terminate support for TDM http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=739

from what it looks like to me, this was only supported between v3.0 + v4.1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinberg_Cubase check the chart here
so maybe all you need is to download cubase 4.1  and select TDM hardware as your interface

does Cubase VST 5 support TDM? VST 5 came out after 2000.. so it seems that steinberg decided to drop TDM at releasing version 5.0

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2016, 01:21:42 AM »
Version TDM 4.1 supports the latest hardware Digidesign, 5 version works only with ASIO. Disc Cubase VST 4.1, I have, but there is no TDM and therefore was quite another drive Cubase TDM 4.1

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2016, 08:11:35 AM »
so u are saying that you are missing another complete installation disc called specifically cubase 4.1 TDM??

u have tried the download available here? of 4.1r2?
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,3218.0.html

it would have been from 1998 or 1999. i think probably 1999.
right before the VST instrument big bang explosion!

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2016, 12:10:36 PM »
Wow that one got by me, never saw in any studio the TDM version of Cubase !

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2016, 12:19:34 PM »
Thank you for your response and interest. In theory, if you find the update TDM, it is possible to ride and VST 4.0 disk to install. The photo shows a loaded song "Tell Me Now" it is on CD Cubase VST 4.0. That would be to find this version really want to try.

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2016, 12:25:35 PM »
Mactron may know more about this version ?

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2016, 12:45:42 PM »
Here I am found the article but in Russian!

http://www.muzoborudovanie.ru/equip/studio/seq/vst37.php

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2016, 02:59:39 PM »
Here I am found the article but in Russian!

http://www.muzoborudovanie.ru/equip/studio/seq/vst37.php

english translation
https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.muzoborudovanie.ru%2Fequip%2Fstudio%2Fseq%2Fvst37.php

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March 12, 2000

Steinberg Company announced the termination of further development of the program Cubase Audio TDM, used to work for DSP Digidesign Pro Tools system. According to Steinberg's, this is done in order to focus on programs that use the computer's CPU.

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2016, 04:35:42 PM »
Found this from Jan 2000...

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Steinberg remains a Digidesign Development Partner but they've decided to discontinue their DAE/TDM development entirely and indefinitely. Steinberg had demonstrated a new version of "Cubase DAE" at tradeshows and advertised this new product in our Digidesign Developer Catalog. The fact is, however, Steinberg had not actually released new products with DAE support for almost three years. Steinberg's business, and Steinberg's marketing strategy have moved firmly in the direction of Cubase VST, and we shouldn't be surprised by this announcement. Steinberg continues to develop and market compatibility of Cubase VST with our hardware through ASIO and Direct I/O. This means that Cubase VST will work with all Digidesign hardware that currently ships - including Digi 001. However, you will not be able to use TDM Plug-Ins and other mixing and routing features of DAE within any Cubase product except for the older products that did have this support. Steinberg also develops Master Tools, the UV-22 mastering Plug-In first offered by Apogee.

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2016, 04:59:27 PM »
Thank you for the information, and then completely confused ...

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2016, 05:14:18 PM »
if u want to use TDM.. u are much better off trying to use it with LOGIC 5 or 6  or the last PROTOOLS TDM version
rather then CUBASE.. as steinberg abandoned this concept in late 1999/early 2000

i think Cubase Audio 3.0 XT version (from 1996) supported DAE+ Digidesign hardware on PC AND MAC (XT meaning EXTENDED hardware support for DAE etc)
this is the version being made reference to in the post above by diehard re: "Steinberg had not actually released new products with DAE support for almost three years"
heres the readme: ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Archives/Cubase_preVSTversions/Mac/68k_versions/cubase_xt/CubaseXT3.04.README

i think u should check out the cubase Audio 3.0 XT version that was posted here by mactron? http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1199.0
but that might only work on mac os 7 or 8 for all i know of it.. but thats 1996 technology.. so it probably was only ever tested with that generation of TDM gear.. that was before protools24 mix or mixplus... but rather the pro tools III hardware!!! im not sure what TDM gear u have.. but if its not the pro tools III System (http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/pt3/) + it wasnt out in 1996 then its prob a better idea to stick to using it with a proper TDM capable host! from the 2000-2004 era.

another point to make is that im pretty sure logic 6 TDM would also allow u to combine VST use with the TDM mixing???
(can anyone else comment on that??) maybe ask BT! i think i read that he uses TDM LOGIC!



i wonder if anyone will ever come forward to say that they owned this mysterious Cubase 4.1 TDM (NON-VST) version!!!
it is interesting + peculilar to see it now... looking back.. in 2016

heres a readme on cubase audio TDM 3.0
http://cd.textfiles.com/cubase/INFORMAT.ION/AUDIOTDM.TXT

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      Cubase Audio 3.0 TDM
                Integrated MIDI- and Digital Audio-Recording

Hamburg -   Steinberg announce Cubase Audio 3.0 TDM, offering
 SoundManager Support  with up to  16 Audio Tracks  without
additional hardware, and  TDM Support  for up to  48 Physical Audio 
Tracks.
Steinberg offer the best of all worlds: Professional
score-printing, the newest Digital Audio technology and the most
powerful MIDI sequencing, integrated into Cubase's
extra-intuitive user interface.

 Professional Multi-track Audio Recording:  Cubase Audio supports
Digidesign's TDM System. With one ProTools III system, 16 digital
audio channels are available. A fully expanded system offers an
unbelievable 48 audio channels, but Cubase's track handling
means that, a practically limitless supply of virtual tracks are
ready for use.
 The Virtual Studio:  The integration of TDM in Cubase is unique.
The complexity of the TDM system is presented as a graphic
patch-bay. The 'studio' now exists totally on screen. The
virtual effects-rack is ready to place an effect into any signal
path - exactly where its needed. The search for working patch
cables really is a thing of the past. The signal quality takes a
quantum leap forward; the signal never leaves the digital
domain. Irrespective of how many effects the signal passes
through the result is guaranteed crackle- and noise-free!

 SoundManager Support:  The new PowerMacs allow Hard disk recording
without any additional audio hardware. Cubase Audio 3.0 is the
gateway to this world. With AV and PowerMacs you can record &
play with full 44.1 kHz resolution. Even a Mac with 22.05
integrated sound can have digital audio with MIDI music.

The SoundManager's limit is only the hardware used: With a
PowerMac 7100 its possible to have 16 audio tracks -
simultaneously.

Additionally  Cubase 3.0 TDM  contains all the new features of
Cubase Score 2.0. That's over 230 new notation and layout
options.  And  a virtually unlimited number of MIDI tracks - the
RAM's the limit.

 OMS II Support , a joint development between Steinberg & Opcode
makes a direct pathway between sound editors and patch-managers
possible.

 MovieManager Support:  The integration of video completes the new
feature list! Simultaneous editing of multiple QuickTime movies,
with a direct link to the audio allows exact and intuitive
operation.

Cubase Audio 3.0 TDM is available from music stores and
specialist Pro-audio dealers.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2016, 02:55:47 AM »
Logic 5 and 6, I have and I'm working on it, but I want to try this mysterious Cubase TDM 4.1. Mix Plus. Cubase XT I have, and he runs with Audiomedia 3.

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2016, 06:46:27 AM »
Mactron may know more about this version ?
Unfortunately, this is the first time I hear about it.
... And it isn't in to my backups either ...
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2016, 06:32:14 AM »
I know that Cubase 5.0 came with drivers for Digidesign hardware.  These are not present in the 5.1 installers.

Not sure if this is the same as what is being discussed.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2016, 08:23:10 AM »
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I know that Cubase 5.0 came with drivers for Digidesign hardware.

If you are referring to "ASIO" drivers, then No, this is not what is being discussed. 

What is being discussed is an extremely RARE version of CuBase (that I have never seen in the wild in any studio, and I have visited many), that actually uses the Digidesign DAE (Audio engine) and accessed ProTools hardware directly and even has a "TDM Mixer" that looks totally weird that allows TDM Protools Plugins... so in a sense, this would be a turnkey version DAW, without VST support, but would have kicked ass all over protools in the Sequencing/MIDI domain.

To summarize the main advantage would be...
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Scoring and sequencing on one hand and strong hardware support on the other

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2016, 11:46:14 AM »
It is strange that this version of TDM is unknown as well as Logic's TDM 4, 5, 6. Why Steinberg its marketers do not advertise are likely to promote VST. VST know everything and all worked, but the TDM version is shrouded in mystery and darkness.

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2016, 03:55:13 PM »
It is strange that this version of TDM is unknown as well as Logic's TDM 4, 5, 6. Why Steinberg its marketers do not advertise are likely to promote VST. VST know everything and all worked, but the TDM version is shrouded in mystery and darkness.

its because most people who had pro tools hardware ran... PRO TOOLS
and most cubase customers did not have pro tools hardware.. it was a side project for them one that didnt bring them any major money gains - thats the only reason things get scrapped in business. money is the bottom line.

jf u like cubase.. use ASIO capable hardware.
if u like pro tools, use digi hardware.


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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2016, 12:00:03 AM »
http://web.archive.org/web/19980212172659/http://www.emagic.de/english/products/mac/LA_TDMExt.html

heres some logic info on their TDM support (beginning i think with version 2.5 or 2.6?) this info is from a similar time frame (cubase 4 came out in 1998? right?) i dont doubt that it might just be that emagic did it before steinberg ever did it (to support TDM)

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2016, 01:18:21 AM »
I did not work with version 2.5,2.6. In Logic Audio Platinum 3.0,3.5 support TDM exactly already was. I still use the Logic 3.5 for Mac OS 8.6 to Power Mac 9600.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2019, 10:44:22 PM »
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=555.0
theres this article i have posted on my site about CUBASE DAE from 1994

http://web.archive.org/web/20111225041946/http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1994_articles/dec94/cubasedae.html
so perhaps thats why you couldnt find more info on "cubase TDM" because it was usually referred to as "cubase DAE" ??

didnt the Cubase Audio XT version support TDM hardware?

im pretty sure what this guy was looking for is included with Cubase VST 4.1 cd; but u install different drivers or something

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2019, 10:32:51 PM »
http://web.archive.org/web/19990427071737/http://www.steinberg.net/news/index.html
if u visit here read the bottom of the page:

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Cubase VST, the world's favourite professional music production software now teams up with the world's leading digital audio hardware. Jointly developed by engineers from Steinberg and Digidesign, an ASIO driver for Pro Tools 24, Pro Tools Project II, Pro Tools III PCI and AudioMedia III (Mac) is now available free of charge from this web site!

Many users have asked for Cubase VST to interface with Pro Tools, and this is now a reality. The combination of Cubase VST/24 and Pro Tools 24 offers the discerning user the best of both worlds, with a complete 24-bit path of recording and editing.

http://web.archive.org/web/19990427071737/ftp://ftp.steinberg.de/dist/product_updates/macintosh/asio/ASIO_Digidesign.hqx
maybe that is all they were talking about?

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2022, 10:10:15 PM »
so there is no cubase TDM its simply called Cubase Audio

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/cubase-audio-dae

and i will find out how to activate DAE if i have to ask charly personally
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2022, 06:07:30 AM »
"cubase audio" is just what the name says.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2022, 06:47:06 AM »
so anyone know anything which version enables cubase 4.1 dae?
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2022, 07:01:43 AM »
i believe the regular cubase audio 3.0 for macintosh should already have had it.

soundmanager were too slow and would have made the recording options worse than on the atari falcon before, so they have chosen to support digidesign hardware at that point. it was a perfect couple since protools did not have MIDI at all, and there were not so many good audio interfaces for the mac.

the confusion with "cubase TDM", which never came out, comes because cubase audio (with DAE support) of course supports mix cards, which means that it makes use of digis TDM bus structure for IO, but this has nothing to do with the TDM plug-ins.

when "cubase TDM" (see image in the start post) was finally ready to go - and shown on the musikmesse and NAMM - steinberg (and the AMIII) had ASIO already and so they decided to cancel DAE support. at this point the further support for a foreign plug-in platform stopped making sense.

(dont ask me why 3 months later they started this yamaha DSP factory nonsense...)

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2022, 11:46:14 AM »
same with logic. both cubase and logic were midi only because pcs and macs were too slow for audio. without the horrible pt 3 tdm hardware setup multitracking wasnt even an option. scsi hdd on every card ugh. cubase dae. logic dae. all lived side by side. i guess cubase tdm never was released because charly hates paying loyalties. and digi closed their platform once and for all.

still sending audio from a pro tools session into cubase for processing with vsts and back is nice.

the weird thing is wikipedia mentions a 3.0 tdm. no foto.

no mention of a 4.1 TDM version on their website.

whoa at the very bottom it DOES!

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2022, 05:07:54 PM »
so what we are looking for are a simple free asio driver

ftp://ftp.steinberg.de/dist/product_updates/macintosh/asio/ASIO_Digidesign.hqx

"CUBASE VST/24 4.0 NOW WORKS WITH PRO TOOLS 24"

this does not appear to be the same as the

ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Archives/MAC/Hardware/Drivers/

or os it this one from archive.org?
ftp.steinberg.net/Archives/Hardware/ASIO_Digidesign_DirectIO/Mac/OS_9/ASIO_DigiDesign_DirectIO5.sit.hqx

- the asio driver is on archive.org
- cubase vst/24 4.0 is on repository

someone with one of the above digidesign hardware able to test this? (sadly i only got pt iii nubus and mixplus - too old too new)

last version overview contradicts the steinberg site that 4.1 introduced TDM support in 1999, a year later than 4.0
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2022, 07:23:15 PM »
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so what we are looking for are a simple free asio driver

Nope... totally different discussion... let's not confuse the thread in case this is for reference.

The Cubase TDM discussion is NOT about ASIO drivers at all. ASIO drivers DO NOT utilize and cannot access the on-board processing (DSP) of expensive Pro Tools PCI cards that support many plugin chains without taxing the computer's CPU.
 
Your picture shows the "Cubase VST 4" CD and auth disk.  There is NO Cubase Audio (with a Steinberg DAE Digidesign Audio Engine) on that CD.  It is the VST version

CuBase VST 4 CD contained 2 products...
1) Cubase 4 VST/24 (24 bit max bit depth audio recording)
2) Cubase 4 score (music notation capable)

CuBase VST 5 CDs contained 3 products...
1) Cubase 5 VST/24 (24 bit max bit depth audio recording)
2) Cubase 5 VST/32 (32 Bit or "floating Point" or "True tape" max bit depth audio recording)
3) Cubase 5 score (music notation capable)

All Cubase VST 4 and 5 versions accepted audio interface drivers made to the ASIO 1 and ASIO 2 specifications.
The ASIO programming parameters were developed by Steinberg and each audio interface hardware manufacturer would write an "ASIO" driver for their interface.

The whole reason of using using an ASIO driver and not using a Windows system driver or Mac extension was the ability of the driver to operate at a much lower level, having direct access to the hardware (without the operation system API), and thus greatly reducing latency inherent in recording MIDI and audio.  It was quite a break thru at the time... DieHard's interpretation

So, if you had a Digi001 or 002 and you were into Trance music, you may have relied heavily on sequencing and MIDI, so you chose to Use CuBase VST (NOT ProTools LE), and use the ASIO driver.  Many of the Big dogs, with Pro Tools Core/Mix/Farm cards had seriously large studios with 32 channels or more going into a large analog console that would use Pro Tools as a 24-Track tape machine and outboard gear; they would not need an ASIO driver at all, the ASIO driver was intended for the project/Home studio market.

OK, let's get to the point already... Cubase VST and the audio plugins were "Native" and ate up the CPU processing power like candy.  The VST (Virtual Studio Technology) acronym meant you don't have the money or the room for the "real" studio, so you can have a virtual one. Yes, if you had a Pro Tools LE system the same could be said about the LE version of Pro Tools.  But what it you had an expensive Pro Tools system with Core cards and Farm cards that had their own processors right on the card, then running CuBase VST in it's "Native" mode sucked ass, so...

So here is were the elusive Cubase Audio (or TDM or non-VST) version comes in... Get all the great features with automation, MIDI transforms, and MIDI sequencing  and still use your expensive DSP Pro Tools cards and Mix interfaces.  This very special version of Cubase would give you all the functionality of the Cubase interface with the ability to load TDM plugins.  These plugins would run in real time and put almost no strain on the computer's CPU at all !  These little golden insert "slots" on your virtual mixer can load TDM plugins and not crash your project.  Lush reverbs, cool delays, compressors, EQs, can load in the "special" version of Cubase and use up almost no CPU real estate, so you can put the CPU to things like automation, meters, etc.

In the end, Steinberg focused exclusively on the VST product and stopped development on the DAE engine.  Their VST audio engine would become the standard for home/project studios that were on a limited budget where the computer was the biggest purchase. It made sense to go forward and market the masses, and it worked.  Besides, why put money into a TDM product for guys that are going to most likely just use the DAW that shipped with the expensive hardware (Pro Tools).

I am sure Digidesign was bummed when Steinberg dropped Cubase TDM; Digi would have surely benefited from hardware sales of more expensive Cards supported TDM plugins if Steinberg carried the DAE torch... instead, many like myself chose a "hybrid" environment, use Cubase VST as the center and utilize hardware DSP on UAD-1 Cards and PCI PowerCore cards; this filled a market need and was the true VST nightmare for those at Digidesign.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2022, 07:51:43 PM »
https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/cubase-vst-of-g4-ibook-imac-dv-g3bronze-keyboard/

Cubase 4.1 has the worst PACE of all time

until someone shows me a picture of 4.1 tdm i believe its 4.1 dae which means what steinberg wrote. cubase 4 like logic 4 side by side on the same rig as pro tools 24 but using either vst or a dae driver. i call myth.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2022, 08:09:21 PM »
until someone shows me a picture of 4.1 tdm i believe its 4.1 dae which means what steinberg wrote. cubase 4 like logic 4 side by side on the same rig as pro tools 24 but using either vst or a dae driver. i call myth.

Dear smiles, the screenshot in the first post is not photo-shopped, there is clearly a window called "TDM Mixer" showing the available TDM slots, this window does NOT exist in CuBase VST ! Using a different driver as you suggest, does not alter the available windows in the Host DAW.

You are totally right about Version 4 being a myth (if that's what you mean)...

Apparently, 1996 is the last year that saw a Cubase front-end GUI with a CuBase DAE Audio combined in an official product.

From Wikipedia (Cubase Audio 3.0 TDM for Macintosh 1996)
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Cubase Audio 3.0 TDM had up to 16 Audio Tracks with TDM Support for up to 48 Physical Audio Tracks. Cubase Audio 3.0 TDM contained all the new features of Cubase Score 2.0. It also had OMS II Support and MovieManager Support.

According to all available sources... the "Audio" versions were unique custom products...

1) 1991... Cubase Audio also called Cubase DAE: Macintosh, this version relied on the TDM system from Digidesign for the audio portion. it was based on NuBus hardware. To make use of the audio features of Cubase Audio you will need either an AudioMedia NuBus card, a Sound Tools system, or a Pro Tools system. The Sound Tools and Pro Tools systems both feature a NuBus card and a 19‑inch rackmounted audio interface.

2) 1993... Cubase Audio: Release on Atari Falcon 030; this version brings digital signal processor (DSP) built-in effects with 8-track audio recording and playback using only native hardware. Later versions enable 16-track mode using audio compression.

3) 1996... Cubase Audio 3.0 TDM for Macintosh: Cubase Audio 3.0 TDM had up to 16 Audio Tracks with TDM Support for up to 48 Physical Audio Tracks. Cubase Audio 3.0 TDM contained all the new features of Cubase Score 2.0. It also had OMS II Support and MovieManager Support. compression.

4) 1996... Cubase Audio XT 3.0 (PC & Mac): This release provides extended hardware support not featured in other versions of cubase. Hardware options included the Digidesign Session 8 & AudioMedia III PCI, Yamaha CBXD3 & CBXD5, Akai DR8 & DR16, & the Creamware Master port. Recording multiple tracks at once was possible.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2022, 08:16:43 PM »
ok enough guessing around ill call steinberg on monday
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2022, 10:18:18 PM »
i´ve seen cubase TDM at steinberg so i can assure you that it exist - and i have never seen it floating around in the warez scene so i can with 99,9% certainty assure you that noone could ever buy it. :)
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2022, 10:22:11 PM »
the weird thing is wikipedia mentions a 3.0 tdm. no foto.

yeah that is because of te nomenclatura "TDM". time division multiplexing originally descibed the bus architecture and not the plug-ins.

"digidesign direct IO" is the opposite...
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2022, 12:47:56 AM »
ok so now that makes sense. i read up on the blog of a steinberg founding guy, nuendo was always designed as a pro tools competitor and in 1999 there was a meeting at steinberg that resulted in tons of internal changes. discontinuing the partnership with the market opponent avid was one of them...
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2022, 07:56:30 AM »
"Cubase Audio XT for DAE/TDM"
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Cubase V4.1 — Mac
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Macintosh only. Downloadable as a free upgrade to owners of VST24 4.0. Introduced VST 2.0, ASIO 2.0, DSP Factory support, TDM support and more. In addition, the Cubase VST/24 Mixer/EQ section included an extension with 5 new real-time processing modules — Compressor, Limiter, Auto Gate, Auto Limit and Soft Clip. A number of VST elements could also now be controlled remotely via external devices such as the Yamaha 01-V.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2022, 09:58:10 AM »
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Cubase V4.1 — Mac
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Macintosh only. Downloadable as a free upgrade to owners of VST24 4.0. Introduced VST 2.0, ASIO 2.0, DSP Factory support, TDM support and more. In addition, the Cubase VST/24 Mixer/EQ section included an extension with 5 new real-time processing modules — Compressor, Limiter, Auto Gate, Auto Limit and Soft Clip. A number of VST elements could also now be controlled remotely via external devices such as the Yamaha 01-V

Hey smiles, awesome research, but I can't let this go because many use this stuff as reference... I gotta clear up the confusion, CuBase 4.1 NEVER had TDM support, so we are kinda mixing up the 2 products, 4.1 was a free upgraqde, but NO TDM support, I still have the boxes.  I will take a closer look, but the TDM support is in the product you pictured the "Audio XT" version 3 I believe

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2022, 11:15:09 AM »
everyone writes his references from other references, that is why such rumors survive. :)

however, the original post was a call for the TDM version to show up magically, which is a good idea, but to my knowlegde will never happen because there are probably less than 5 people who might still have a copy and under such circumstance you dont release stuff.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2022, 01:08:45 PM »
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Macintosh only. Downloadable as a free upgrade to owners of VST24 4.0. Introduced VST 2.0, ASIO 2.0, DSP Factory support, TDM support and more. In addition, the Cubase VST/24 Mixer/EQ section included an extension with 5 new real-time processing modules — Compressor, Limiter, Auto Gate, Auto Limit and Soft Clip. A number of VST elements could also now be controlled remotely via external devices such as the Yamaha 01-V

Hey smiles, awesome research, but I can't let this go because many use this stuff as reference... I gotta clear up the confusion, CuBase 4.1 NEVER had TDM support, so we are kinda mixing up the 2 products, 4.1 was a free upgraqde, but NO TDM support, I still have the boxes.  I will take a closer look, but the TDM support is in the product you pictured the "Audio XT" version 3 I believe

wait what yoz have the boxes ye do take a look, do you have a mix core card?
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2022, 01:10:18 PM »
everyone writes his references from other references, that is why such rumors survive. :)

however, the original post was a call for the TDM version to show up magically, which is a good idea, but to my knowlegde will never happen because there are probably less than 5 people who might still have a copy and under such circumstance you dont release stuff.

what circumstances? all we need are the dae/tdm drivers from that version . it might even work out of the box if diehard had a mixcore card
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2022, 01:12:03 PM »
this is the Cubase Audio XT, the box says Cubase Audio, only the floppies say its XT

steinberg was wishy washy
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2022, 01:52:27 PM »
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what circumstances? all we need are the dae/tdm drivers from that version

As I stated, the "TDM" mixer windows with TDM plugin inserts does NOT exist no mater what drivers you load/replace/modify on the VST versions, so it is obviously "cooked", compiled, baked, whatever into the main application.  You are implying the main versions (Audio, Audio XT, VST, Audio 3.0) are all the same basic code, all modular, and easily manipulated.  Unfortunately, this is so far from the truth; each respective version is a totally different stack of code.  The audio engine from VST 4.1 and VST 5 was re-written because after various "porting" the code got sloppy.  Their pinnacle for OS 9, VST 5/32 definitely holds it's own in "sound quality" almost to today.  With "true tape" files (32-bit audio) it is one killer DAW and was the first real attempt that was viable when mixing in the box (without outboard gear). Apogee dithering, real metering, better plugins (with UAD-1 and powercore), a new audio engine, and other items really made us think at the time that we were finally getting pro results.

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2022, 07:00:44 PM »
i was 18 when i last used vst32. true tape you mean the plugin?
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2022, 07:44:48 PM »
It's not a plugin, it's setting you can use when recording...

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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2022, 01:15:08 AM »
ok here we go

it is the magneto algorithm model written by SoundArt by Lukas & Hartmann, licensed to Steinberg-Spectral Design. sans the HF-adjust and any other options. just the drive, which sends a parallel of the audio into an upsampler then a emphasis curve then a 3rd harm model then a deemphasis curve then a downsampler mixed back in. limiters are also in the algorithm.
the reduced model was so computers could handle it at the time. in sx they made the truetape available as a plugin on its own. but back then the magneto was licensed to spl and sold on its own.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2022, 01:09:49 PM »
what circumstances?

beeing bound by a contract and too easy to identify.

and there is no "tdm driver". it is a different program.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2022, 01:13:11 PM »
it is the magneto algorithm model

its key feature is that it was an input plug-in (for the very first time in a steinberg host).

of course there is a cracked copy to be used as regular plug-in, too, if you want that.
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Re: Cubase TDM 4.1
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2022, 02:06:21 PM »
vst ppc ? veeeeery interested. only got the win.
any custum stripped from cubase vsts id die for honestly
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so unless you find the original, no go. same with the older 3.0 dae tdm inubus id kill for  sigh
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