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Offline nanopico

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #75 on: April 07, 2017, 05:57:16 AM »
At the top of a window, there's an area which is wasted with not so useful information like "10 items, 59.1 MB available". I want to use this area better. This is a good place for buttons and menus. I want here a menu for changing the view options. A menu for the path has to be here instead of in the window title. I want a button for opening the super folder. What else do you want here?

Personally nothing.  I actually do use the information at the top and it is very useful to me.
What you are suggesting is starting to go away from the actual design of OS 9 and now making an inconsistent environment. The should be no menus there and they all should be in the top with all the rest.

Now having  a folder path would be useful. A better solution would be to put that at the bottom of the window. This should also be a finder preference to turn off.

That is just my view, but what do I know, I've only been dealing with user interface design in software for 15 years.
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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #76 on: April 12, 2017, 12:47:56 PM »


At the top of a window, there's an area which is wasted with not so useful information like "10 items, 59.1 MB available". I want to use this area better. This is a good place for buttons and menus. I want here a menu for changing the view options. A menu for the path has to be here instead of in the window title. I want a button for opening the super folder. What else do you want here?

menu for changing view options would be great!

and a menu for changing label colors and  locking/unlocking (all selected files in the window) would also be nice.

buttons... what about a button for "calculate size(s) now" (and another click would disable size calculation again)

a menu for the path... erm... you know that there is a menu for path (via apple-click), do you?

button for going back to the super... personally i use keyboard commands to navigate, it is faster than using a mouse.
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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #77 on: April 12, 2017, 12:53:47 PM »
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What you are suggesting is starting to go away from the actual design of OS 9

i see what you mean. maybe there should not be too much removed and all new features should be at least opt-out - like you said, by disabling certain of the ++ features via finder prefs.
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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #78 on: April 12, 2017, 12:55:53 PM »
one-click stuff/unstuff and zip/unzip would also be fun to have in the window top bar.

eventually it can just be taken from the stuff it menu (which should be apple event i think)
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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2017, 08:29:01 PM »
If it fits the name of the current Volume would be great

I am sure the full path would be too long.

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2017, 05:10:19 AM »
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What you are suggesting is starting to go away from the actual design of OS 9

i see what you mean. maybe there should not be too much removed and all new features should be at least opt-out - like you said, by disabling certain of the ++ features via finder prefs.
All features are defined in plugins. You disable a feature by removing the corresponding plugin.
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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2017, 05:12:03 AM »
one-click stuff/unstuff and zip/unzip would also be fun to have in the window top bar.

eventually it can just be taken from the stuff it menu (which should be apple event i think)
I would like to do the stuff/unstuff because the archive viewer from StuffIt Deluxe is too slow and uses too much memory, but I can't find the SDK.

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #82 on: May 03, 2017, 05:17:42 AM »
If it fits the name of the current Volume would be great

I am sure the full path would be too long.
I won't do the full path. A path in a menu is better. The name of the volume is a good idea, but it's possible to have several volumes with the same name. Another option is to give your volume a label color and then draw the windows of this volume in this color. Another option is to give your volume an icon and then draw the icon in the windows of this volume.

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #83 on: May 03, 2017, 07:05:37 AM »
I understand your concern. If you remove all plugins then it should look just like the old Finder.

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #84 on: May 07, 2017, 09:40:19 PM »
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Another option is to give your volume a label color and then draw the windows of this volume in this color

That's great, works for me, because I already give each volume a different Color already :)

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #85 on: May 13, 2017, 05:44:37 AM »
What I wonder is if it would be possible in the long run to create a form of snap window functionality in Mac OS 9 and in Finder, like Windows and many Linux distros do (up to snap a window to fullscreen, left for left side half and right for a right side half). It always boggled me Mac OS X (or macOS) never really included this feature (Sierra has it in a way that makes no sense whatsoever).

Maybe as an extension?

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #86 on: May 24, 2017, 06:38:48 AM »
There is already such an extension but I didn't try it yet:
http://afturgurluk.org/mirrors/macintosh/archive.info-mac.org/gui/screen-grid-10.hqx
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Abstract of INFO-MAC archived encoded Mac binary file
   'gui/screen-grid-10.hqx'
  Uploaded 08/04/2000   193200 bytes

From: Mamoru Misono <mamo@sonosoft.com>
Subject: ScreenGrid 1.0


ScreenGrid is a desktop-utility that makes operations to
drag and grow windows comfortable. When you drag or grow
a window, ScreenGrid helps you to
 + snap the window to screen edges.
 + snap the window to virtual grid on screens.
 + snap the window to window edges.
 + layout windows with certain offsets.
 + limit the movement of the window horizontally, vertically and 45 degrees.

System Requirement
 PPC or 68K Macintosh
 System 7 or later

ScreenGrid is $7 shareware.
If this isn't what you want, then the DragWindowGrid and DragWindow INIT Apple demos can be combined to such an extension. DragWindow is PPC, I can do 68K eventually.

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #87 on: May 24, 2017, 06:45:41 AM »
Ah, thanks. I haven't found this yet. I'll try it as soon as I can get to my G4 Power Mac again.

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #88 on: May 31, 2017, 04:13:39 AM »
There is already such an extension but I didn't try it yet:
http://afturgurluk.org/mirrors/macintosh/archive.info-mac.org/gui/screen-grid-10.hqx
I can't find the right program to decompress that file. It's base64. If I decode it, then I get a file which looks random but characters 59, 187 and 236 are unused. I checked several hqx files on several websites. They have the same problem.

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #89 on: June 01, 2017, 06:35:18 AM »
This worked for me: http://www.webutils.pl/BinHex
First copy ftp://ftp.bu.edu/pub/mirrors/info-mac/gui/screen-grid-10.hqx
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(This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0)
The documentation says:
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ScreenGrid is distributed as shareware. If you would like to continue using ScreenGrid, please register and support shareware. There is no functional restriction on unregistered copy. However unregistered copy will sometimes ask you to register when starting up. Registration fee for single user license of ScreenGrid is $7(800 yen).

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2019, 06:24:57 PM »
I've actually been working on a replacement Finder.  Maybe I should post it in another topic...
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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #91 on: March 11, 2019, 08:25:16 AM »
I linked PCRE and PCRE2. This will be used to select files. One of the criticisms of the OS 9 Finder is that you can't select files with a regular expression.

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Re: Designing a new Finder
« Reply #92 on: March 21, 2019, 06:52:47 AM »
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