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Roman323:

--- Quote from: Bolkonskij on April 22, 2020, 12:16:24 AM ---Yeah, that pretty much sums up the situation. Of course it *could* be possible. Look at the Amiga fans who develop their own browser (iBrowse). It'll even work on 68k Amigas - with SSL. (albeit no Javascript yet).

A big BUT - they actually *sell* the browser in order to finance development. That would never work with Mac users. From various MorphOS discussions on Apple groups I get the impression everyone expects someone™ to spend hours coding for free. (that rule applies only to others of course - they themselves always do want to get full pay).

So good luck finding that someone™. Especially since the ones with the skills of coding a browser are sought-after specialists that can make a lot of money. Why would you spend your time coding for people who wouldn't even leave a "thank you"?

Add the fact that the Mac OS community is much much smaller than e.g. the Amigans and you know there's not going to happen much. We still fiddling with our aging original hardware and don't even have a FPGA-based hardware replacement like the Amigans, Atari fans and others already have. That's something I'd love to see done before we're even thinking about a modern browser because our hardware doesn't get any younger.

Apart from the hardware issue, I for one believe that for the forseeable future our hope lies in gateway services. They will do server-side magic (e.g. scraping news pages and delivering the results unencrypted in plain html on a news page that'll work with IE 5.x too.)

I feel that's what we should focus on. Granted, you won't be able to do your Online Banking with OS9 again, but at least you should be able to use certain features again. Like the image uploader at the Mac Garden is a great example.

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Well, if not internet, can email still work ? I tried to enter my gmail and hotmail settings and outlook express did not work - tried under classila and it didn't work. I really miss the internet of 1999/2000/2001 when things were so simple. OS 9 had no issues with accessing the internet back then. I also notice that even Tiger has issues with websites. Really, Steve could have let development continue with 9 at least till like 2010 or something. It didn't get the life it deserved. Just my opinion of course.

Roman323:

--- Quote from: Bolkonskij on April 22, 2020, 12:16:24 AM ---Yeah, that pretty much sums up the situation. Of course it *could* be possible. Look at the Amiga fans who develop their own browser (iBrowse). It'll even work on 68k Amigas - with SSL. (albeit no Javascript yet).

A big BUT - they actually *sell* the browser in order to finance development. That would never work with Mac users. From various MorphOS discussions on Apple groups I get the impression everyone expects someone™ to spend hours coding for free. (that rule applies only to others of course - they themselves always do want to get full pay).

So good luck finding that someone™. Especially since the ones with the skills of coding a browser are sought-after specialists that can make a lot of money. Why would you spend your time coding for people who wouldn't even leave a "thank you"?

Add the fact that the Mac OS community is much much smaller than e.g. the Amigans and you know there's not going to happen much. We still fiddling with our aging original hardware and don't even have a FPGA-based hardware replacement like the Amigans, Atari fans and others already have. That's something I'd love to see done before we're even thinking about a modern browser because our hardware doesn't get any younger.

Apart from the hardware issue, I for one believe that for the forseeable future our hope lies in gateway services. They will do server-side magic (e.g. scraping news pages and delivering the results unencrypted in plain html on a news page that'll work with IE 5.x too.)

I feel that's what we should focus on. Granted, you won't be able to do your Online Banking with OS9 again, but at least you should be able to use certain features again. Like the image uploader at the Mac Garden is a great example.

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Here is another question - what if Steve did not pull the plug on OS 9 development and at least kept it going till say 2010 ? I think os 9 was pulled too soon. It could have existed alongside Mac OS X. Now, I am having issues trying to get email to work, at least I would be happy to check email through OS 9. Come to think of it, I don't remember checking my bank account on OS 9 back in 2000/2001. I miss those years when the internet was "normal" and not bloated like today. I also contributed to Kaiser for his keeping PowerPC Macs still going. Classila is supposed to get another update I think from what I read on the classila site.

Bolkonskij:
1.) Why should Apple have kept Mac OS alive? As much as I'd wish, they wanted everyone to go OSX asap. Further OS9 support would only have been an obstacle towards this goal. Besides, Apple always had this "Slash and burn" attitude towards moving on. From the very beginning. Ask the Apple II folks ...

2.) E-Mail and OS9 work fine for me. Try the Classilla E-Mailer. I use it daily to check my e-mails from gmail (POP). If it doesn't work, check if your gmail settings allow for "unsecure POP connections" or something - assuming you're not trying IMAP. (the settings are to be found within your Gmail account - not the e-mail client)

3.) I LOVE the 2000's web as much as you do. That's why I created my two projects (see signature).

There are a couple of sites like these out there. I totally dig the idea of creating more and building our own Mac OS eco-system. From talking to the Mac Garden folks I know they're working on a redesign that will actually be made with Classilla (and even older browsers) in mind. So there you go! That's the approach we as Mac OS community should be taking. Go ahead and start your own project, Roman323! Everyone can help out ...

IIO:
exactly. it is 2020 now and we should focus on what we can do in 2021, and not what somebody else might have done wrong in 2001.

in theory, the 7447a can run at up to 2,4 GHz. any takers?

Knezzen:

--- Quote from: Bolkonskij on April 22, 2020, 06:47:02 AM ---2.) E-Mail and OS9 work fine for me. Try the Classilla E-Mailer. I use it daily to check my e-mails from gmail (POP). If it doesn't work, check if your gmail settings allow for "unsecure POP connections" or something - assuming you're not trying IMAP. (the settings are to be found within your Gmail account - not the e-mail client)

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Just wanted to chime in that IMAP in Classilla with Gmail works just fine. It's what I have used with it for the last 10 years or so.
Still worked fine when I checked my mail using the TiBook this morning :P

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