M-Audio Firewire 410 Control Panel Not Visible

[FdB]

Any concerns about possibly renaming this entire thread “M-Audio FW410”?

And maybe all might…
bookmark here for Chris’s thread concerning M-Audio OS 9 Drivers?
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,1933.0.html

[FdB]

Well, looks like original install discs might become a premium item.

on the CD  is nothing more than on the online installer.

And then there’s this from Cyberish, above:

Would the M-Audio "Uninstaller" on OSX initialize the Firmware so you could then proceed with the OS9 installer and "downdate" the firmware?

SNIP:
“…Start the computer and run the uninstaller.  Re-install the latest driver update from the M-Audio driver download page, then shut down your computer and connect the FireWire 410.  After booting with the FW410 connected, the device should be recognized correctly.
"

Good question.

Which then also raises the question about whether this uninstaller exists for the Mac, or if it’s a Windoze-only available option - as I’ve seen no reference yet pertaining to its existence on supplied discs for the Mac. And in my ignorance, I wonder if the “firmware” actually resides within the 410 OR if it’s merely a consequence of whatever driver is installed for OS X - containing “performance instructions” for the 410? (The latter, perhaps complete and utter wishful thinking.)

Cue Beach Boys playing: “Wouldn’t It Be Nice”.

More may be known (or un-known) when discs and an actual 410 arrive here.
Mardeec has stated that the M-Audio FW410 does work quite well under OS X.

[Andre Solomko]

Well there is uninstaller for OSX . I hardly can imagine how it can downgrade firmware when device is disconnected and also where uninstaller will get an old firmware....to write instead. So dear fellows i would be sceptical but there is an intrique...something what is missing  here...Yes, firmware is in EPROM inside the card. I guess bootloader is a part of it. You can see it on control panel.

[FdB]

Then perhaps this sounds like a task for our "Flash-masters" to somehow restore the original EPROM firmware?
If that is in any way possible. And judging from the total hits on this thread so far...

[Andre Solomko]

Actually we are getting somewhere in this discussion as soon we start to brainstorm a problem and listen for each other. Defenitely it can be done like with any EPROM . But wait...firmware its just a gypotesa , its not proved yet even it looks logical and self-explanatory

[FdB]

gypotesa = hypothesis?

[Andre Solomko]

Exactly.

[macStuff]

the "Hypothesis" was put forward by Japanese user "TeroyK" it was his observation that i read

[FdB]

Thank you TeroyK!

Just messaged (15) currently listed M-Audio Firewire 410 eBay sellers
as to what computer platform AND which OS their 410’s were operated
under… to see if ANY supposed OS 9.2.2 based units might surface.
(2 respondents so far... Windows.)

Also there is a “Firewire 410” Facebook group?… but I “don’t do Facebook”
- if someone would care to check-in there?

[Andre Solomko]

There is a FB group and I am there but directly opposite- about running m-Audio on modern OS.

[FdB]

8 of 15 reporting from eBay listings so far - note mainly units used with Windows
and some with later versions of Mac OS. Windows-used units don’t work?

This one looked promising, if they do… but not for $75.00.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/143336986041?ul_noapp=true

Sellers comments: On the PC, the 410 is supported under Windows 2000 with
Service Pack 3 or later, and XP with SP1 or later, but not under Windows 98
or ME. On the Mac, you'll need Mac OS 9.2 or later, or OS 10.1.5 or later.
You must have a firewire port on you pc or mac also.

[Andre Solomko]

Well mine was all liveing in MICRO AND SOFT WORLD all its life and this is also makes me sceptical about firmware theory. Device works fine  on PPC and Intel, on Windoze and Mac OS
what is so special in OS9? Yes I tried on external FW PCI card with TI chipset as well if someone wants to go there. Same

[FdB]

Well… guess I’ll await a 410 here.

And then…
Take one or all three of the following:

A B&W G3
A Quicksilver
And an MDD

… all back to stock, original factory conditions
& then, using only original Apple OS installs & updates
to get them to OS 9.2.2 - then attempt connecting and using
the M-Audio Firewire 410. With AND without the accessory power.

Helpful eBay-er has also provided this:
https://m-audio.com/support/download/drivers/oms2-3-8.sit

Along with news of an “active developer”
(from that Facebook Group)
that provides / shares drivers made for use with OS X Mojave.

I’ve asked that he inquire of that developer, about a possible
return route to original (pre - OS X) M-Audio 410 firmware / EPROM.

Anyone recognize the OMS driver noted above, as being tried before?

[Mardeec]

FdB - my FW410 is on it's way to you.  The very nice woman at the post office said it may be delivered as soon as Friday 1/23.  Good luck!

[FdB]

Thanks Marty (I think?). On it’s way across river now.

After yet another complete re-read of this entire thread
(won’t be the last re-read) and an email from Marty
containing one segment of the image attached below…
I wonder:

Was Marty ever able get info like (or similar to) Dan’s
to report: bootloader, firmware and hardware info that…

would suggest actual proper connection
between the FW 410 and his Mac…
AND does / did Andre get the same
blank entries displayed as Marty?



*Might notice the different “output bus” vs. “phones”
selection (red dots) as if that makes a difference?

Do please pardon the elementary question und especially
…if it has already been answered / or address-ed.

[Mardeec]

Was Marty ever able get info like (or similar to) Dan’s
to report: bootloader, firmware and hardware info that…

In a word, no.  In all my OS9 install attempts, the Bootloader and Firmware fields were always blank.  Hardware model and version values were always zero. 

I did test the FW connections on the Mac with a FW videocassette recorder, and it was recognized, suggesting the FW port and cable were good.

When I installed the FW410 on Windows XP and OS 10.4.11, the Bootloader, Firmware, and Hardware fields were populated.  I don't think I made a note of those values...I'll have to check.  Would it help to know them, even if they're not coming from an OS9 installation?
 

[Andre Solomko]

Yes, I have similar thing . Bootloader firmware fileld is blank. OMS is right and QT is 6.0.3 -actually no difference. FW controller works. Red dot thing doesn't matter anyhow.

[Andre Solomko]

So In high Sierra is shows firmware 2007-05-04 and at your picture is different. So firmware concept il correct? But where  DAN's picture is taken? And if I dare to ask who is  Dan

[FdB]

Anyone recognize or suspect a re-programmable EPROM or PROM chip on this M-Audio Firewire 410? (Large image file attached.)

And for those who might simply not have already had enough fun with this little repetitive hair-puller, here’s another thread dealing with the closely related and very similar M-Audio Audiophile Firewire unit:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=3471.0

“The floggings will continue until morale improves.”