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Offline devils_advisor

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Screen Recordings.
« on: November 21, 2015, 04:32:31 PM »
I didnt invent the wheel but i thought about ways to demonstrate certain things in os9. We all know via software it is pretty useless and impossible to have a nice screen recording.
I found a few ways and so far the cheapest ones are limited. i kinda demonstrated it with the few videosi uploaded. Yesterday i got a little converter box which was at first very promising and it does indeed what you want it to do but i forgot the recording device takes a regular ntsc format. Besides that the higher the resolution the more blurry the picture became to a point where you cant read anything which makes it useless. The converter works good for gaming and watching a video but for tutorial purposes its a no go. The devices that can take a dvi or vga signal out and record are in a price area out of reach for normal people. From this point on if one of you wants a video to explain things contact me. i dont have access to protools mix or hd systems so all i can run on regular hardware is what i can show you guys. I keep looking for a way but at this point i hit a wall.

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2015, 03:24:50 AM »
Am interested to know what you have found out - I tried a camera but
didn't like the recording results - might have to try again in lesser quality - vga probably.

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2015, 06:07:25 AM »
Here's an idea for screen recording.
VNC works on OS 9.
You could install that and then connect to the OS 9 machine from Windows or OS X.  Run the remote session at full screen while running a screen capture/recording app.
Just an idea.
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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2015, 09:00:22 AM »
Im going to show how i got it done so far. The problem with a software version is that i take to much of the running system and i need all the headroom i can get. The idea was nor using cpu cycles at all.

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2015, 09:04:24 AM »
If you have a S-Video output in your video card, record the computer output in another device.
If you have a LCD TV that can record from the HDMI, connect your Mac from the DVI connector to the HDMI, use it as a monitor (even at 1080*1920) and record what ever you want in HD and without overloading the CPU :)
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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2015, 09:09:17 AM »
sounds easy enough but i dont have all the tech stuff available to me.

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2016, 12:58:03 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIp56neMUEI

i got it done. here is a preview of screens in hd. subscribe and comment if you like it

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 06:00:41 AM »
Way to go devils_advisor... Looks great !! ;D

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2019, 06:13:57 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIp56neMUEI

i got it done. here is a preview of screens in hd. subscribe and comment if you like it

Anyone care to elaborate on HOW this was done?

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2019, 04:14:29 PM »
He went to SVHS tape at first, then captured with Avid/Pinnacle/Media100. He will detail.

Lately he were using a HDMI PCI express capture/stream card on a Windows machine and using a DVI to HDMI video or something like that.

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2019, 05:53:13 PM »
Past few days I have tried a handful of methods: VNC, Timbuktu, Snapper, and a few others that didn't turn out. I was even trying to find something that would work with Tiger and just use OS 9 apps in Classic. But they either didn't work or slowed things down SIGNIFICANTLY. I'm reasonably convinced that it can't be done with software, and must be done with an external record device from a video out port as suggested above.

So someone tell us how to do this... cheaply :D

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2019, 04:11:30 AM »
I don't think there's any way of doing it in OS-9 natively... for the simple fact that the system/memory bus/disk is too slow and there's no hardware support to encode/decode video of current formats.
The (imho) most simple approach is to put a camera or smartphone right in front of the screen and capture. The position is slightly inconvenient and depends on the capturing device's lens capabilities.
If you want to do it frequently (in case your cam delivers a good picture) there's probably some video splitter device to double the DVI output and you could film from a 2nd screen.

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2019, 05:20:47 AM »
I may try something like this Game Recorder, they are all the rage with kids these days -afro-
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1080P-HD-Game-Capture-Video-Card-Recorder-HDMI-YPBPR-For-Xbox-360-One-PS3-PS4-TV/192893470879?epid=555542381&hash=item2ce958c89f%3Ag%3AmXEAAOSwCQ5cuXVS&LH_ItemCondition=4

Just need a couple DVI-HDMI adapter cables and an external USB hard drive

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2019, 01:21:21 PM »
I don't think there's any way of doing it in OS-9 natively... for the simple fact that the system/memory bus/disk is too slow and there's no hardware support to encode/decode video
Thats no true. There is some software for natively screenrecording out there. For sure not for HDvideos, but I remember that I made some nice videos, especially when switching to thousands of colours, the machine (my 9600/G4800) was still quite usable.
Also there have been tons of professional hardware solutions for capturing videos, so it should be possible to capture the own (mirrored) video signals from a graphiccard to some hardware-encodercard, if you patch your video out to another PCI card. Thus one should still get some professional results. For sure, more modern cheap solutions in HD can make ones live more easy, but I don't like the ongoing "is not possible" myths. ;)

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2019, 02:04:56 PM »
There is some shareware called ScreenMovie which can record screen activity inc. audio.
v1.5 is on MacWorld cover disk 9/98.

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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2019, 04:33:42 PM »
If you wish to learn also Protools, check http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,3219.0.html

These tutorials were made using only 1 computer (a G4 450 I guess), but with a 640x480 or 800x600 resolution IIRC. And they only work with old Quicktime I am afraid


I am sure a the combination G4 VNC server running protools + anyother computer with Vnc Viewer + a screen capture + audio recording software works if running over Gigabit Ethernet if you are on a cheap. And I mean using more that 800x600.
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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2019, 01:30:55 AM »
Thats no true. There is some software for natively screenrecording out there. For sure not for HDvideos

with tools like the one from ambrosia, screenrecorder or max/jitter, you are limited to someting around 300*500 pixels at 12 fps on a QS2002 - or a b it more on a MDD.

not really sufficient to make a tutorial video.

hardware solutions under USD 100 are usually limited to HD/2k, so you have to change resolution if yours is bigger, but they work great otherwise.

nanopicos idea to use VNC isnt bad either, it should free the host from more than 50% of the CPU load compared to local recording. but i have yet to try it (using "OS9VNC", the one with the deamon/extension)
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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2019, 01:33:32 AM »
Anyone care to elaborate on HOW this was done?

he is using a second computer with a PCI card for recording video, something in that area.
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Re: Screen Recordings.
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2019, 03:58:40 AM »
... For sure, more modern cheap solutions in HD can make ones live more easy, but I don't like the ongoing "is not possible" myths. ;)
It's not about any 'impossible myth' but simply about the technical conditions of the process.
The term 'in OS9 natively' implies 'from the original hardware, right out of the box' and that is NOT possible with a decent screen resolution to show up some DAW work.
(btw I couldn't even add another PCI card because not free slot left)
Those cards were ultra expensive back then and no go for bargain because (practically) no one deals with analog video anymore.

A presentation video should be a smooth experience for the viewer.
I once fiddled around on a Win XP box without success (3Ghz Dualcore and much faster Ram).
The simple solution was in fact a remote desktop session session captured by standard Quicktime on a MacMini (2.5 Ghz Dualcore) and both the convenience of operating the XP application and the crisp result were superior than anything I tried in Windoze.