Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)

[Roman323]

In my opinion, a complete overhaul of the system and the addition of preemptive multitasking, better internet and adding of modern security. Oh, getting QuickTime to work. For some reason I am hooked up to Ethernet and every time I access in Sherlock 2 or QuickTime any relevant plugin (Amazon, eBay etc) it does not connect and tells me my internet is not on which is a lie because I am going through Ethernet according to tcp/ip. So something is causing it to not work.

I'd like to add in a couple of youtube videos about OS 9, just recently as of 2017 or 2016 some guy access Quicktime and saw the channels. I am questioning him on this. I will also attempt to reinstall OS 9 as my entire hard drive is messed up and my OS 9 got corrupted.

[IIO]

The MDDs Firewire claims to be OHCI, except it can't really be OHCI. OHCI doesn't do Firewire 800. It's some kind of magic Apple chipset that is kinda sorta like OHCI and doesn't have any documentation.

even without knowing this, that is exactly about what it looks to me. that the 800 port works is the biggest mystery. and why the heck did they change something to the fw 400 bus? as if the fw 400 bus wouldnt work in OSX in previous models. completely counterintuitive.

and of course not documented. and it works in classic mode. bah.

[Daniel]

I have both a FW400 and FW800 MDD, so I'm comparing them in OF to see if there are noticable differences between them.


FW400 properties:

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vendor-id               0000106b
device-id               00000031
revision-id             00000001
class-code              000c0010
interrupts              00000001
min-grant               0000000c
max-latency             00000018
subsystem-vendor-id     0000106b
subsystem-id            00005811
devsel-speed            00000001
fast-back-to-back       
device_type             ieee1394
reg                     00007000 00000000 00000000  00000000 00000000
                        02007010 00000000 00000000  00000000 00001000
name                    firewire
compatible              pci106b,5811
                        pci106b,31
                        pciclass,0c0010
#address-cells          00000004
#size-cells             00000002
local-guid              000a95ff fe88e1ca
assigned-addresses      82007010 00000000 f5000000  00000000 00001000
FW800 properties:

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vendor-id               0000106b
device-id               00000031
revision-id             00000001
class-code              000c0010
interrupts              00000001
min-grant               0000000c
max-latency             00000018
subsystem-vendor-id     0000106b
subsystem-id            00005811
devsel-speed            00000001
fast-back-to-back       
device_type             ieee1394
reg                     00007000 00000000 00000000  00000000 00000000
                        02007010 00000000 00000000  00000000 00001000
name                    firewire
compatible              pci106b,5811
                        pci106b,31
                        pciclass,0c0010
#address-cells          00000004
#size-cells             00000002
local-guid              000a95ff fe7ff178
assigned-addresses      82007010 00000000 f5000000  00000000 00001000
Their properties are identical in everything except the GUID, but that's supposed to be a unique machine id.

Now to check the OF words.

FW400 words:

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q'd-sync        q'd-write-block q'd-read-block  .stats          probe
set-csr-mailbox set-config-rom  get-busnode     get-my-guid     set-dstnode
set-spd         set-address     guid>node       reset-bus       close
open            bus-reset?      clr-status      set-status      get-status
status-address  max-transfer    dma-free        dma-alloc       decode-unit
encode-unit     q'd-sync        q'd-write-block write-block     write-block?
write-block?-timeout            wb-counter      wb-start        wb-max
read-block      read-block-timeout              rb-counter      rb-start
rb-max          write-quadlet   wq-counter      wq-start        wq-max
read-csr-quadlet                read-quadlet    read-quad-timeout
rq-counter      rq-start        rq-max          wait            #nodes
reset-msecs     lucent?         elegant?        next-ohci
FW800 words:

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q'd-sync        q'd-write-block q'd-read-block  .stats          probe
set-csr-mailbox set-config-rom  get-busnode     get-my-guid     set-dstnode
set-spd         set-address     enable-node     guid>node       reset-bus
close           open            bus-reset?      clr-status      set-status
get-status      status-address  max-transfer    dma-free        dma-alloc
decode-unit     encode-unit     q'd-sync        q'd-write-block write-block
write-block?    write-block?-timeout            wb-counter      wb-start
wb-max          read-block      read-block-timeout              rb-counter
rb-start        rb-max          write-quadlet   wq-counter      wq-start
wq-max          read-csr-quadlet                read-quadlet
read-quad-timeout               rq-counter      rq-start        rq-max
wait            add-range       phy7-fail-last  phy7-fail-cnt   #nodes
reset-msecs     lucent?         elegant?        next-ohci
These look very similar, but there are some differences. It seems that comparing the fcode between these could be very useful.

[Daniel]

I dumped a bunch of the hardware registers for both MDDs. There seem to be very few differences between them. They both claim to follow OHCI 1.1, for instance. I'm beginning to wonder if the Firewire chipset itself is the same on FW400 and FW800 MDDs. Perhaps the only difference is in the components on the board. It's not clear how to test that, however.

These are in little-endian format, so if someone other than me actually uses them, you will have to byte-swap in your head.

FW400 registers:

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f5000000: 10 00 01 00 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |....$...........|
f5000010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 03 7c 04 04 34 39 33 31 |.........|..4931|
f5000020: 82 a0 00 00 ff 95 0a 00 ca e1 88 fe 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000030: 00 00 00 00 00 80 fd 7f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000050: 00 00 8a 00 00 00 8a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000060: 00 00 00 00 00 90 fc 7f 0c 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000080: 11 80 70 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |..p.............|
f5000090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50000a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50000b0: 33 13 00 00 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 00 00 00 |3...............|
f50000c0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50000d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50000e0: 00 06 10 00 00 06 10 00 c0 ff 00 c8 7f 01 3f 01 |..............?.|
f50000f0: 96 a3 b8 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000100: 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000180: 11 00 00 00 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 9d fc 7f |................|
f5000190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50001a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50001b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50001c0: 09 84 00 00 09 84 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 9a fc 7f |................|
f50001d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50001e0: 00 84 00 00 00 84 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 9a fc 7f |............`...|
f50001f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
FW800 registers:

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f5000000: 10 00 01 00 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |....$...........|
f5000010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 9e e1 04 04 34 39 33 31 |............4931|
f5000020: 83 b0 00 00 ff 95 0a 00 78 f1 7f fe 00 00 00 00 |........x.......|
f5000030: 00 00 00 00 00 98 fc 7f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000050: 00 00 8a 00 00 00 8a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000060: 00 00 00 00 00 b8 fc 7f 0c 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000080: 11 80 70 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |..p.............|
f5000090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50000a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50000b0: 33 13 00 00 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 00 00 00 |3...............|
f50000c0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50000d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50000e0: 00 02 10 00 00 02 10 00 c0 ff 00 c8 00 07 20 87 |.............. .|
f50000f0: e5 95 86 65 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |a..e............|
f5000100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f5000180: 11 00 00 00 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 85 fc 7f |............@...|
f5000190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50001a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50001b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50001c0: 09 84 00 00 09 84 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 84 fc 7f |............@...|
f50001d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
f50001e0: 00 84 00 00 00 84 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 84 fc 7f |............ ...|
f50001f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|

[adespoton]

In my opinion, a complete overhaul of the system and the addition of preemptive multitasking, better internet and adding of modern security. Oh, getting QuickTime to work. For some reason I am hooked up to Ethernet and every time I access in Sherlock 2 or QuickTime any relevant plugin (Amazon, eBay etc) it does not connect and tells me my internet is not on which is a lie because I am going through Ethernet according to tcp/ip. So something is causing it to not work.

I'd like to add in a couple of youtube videos about OS 9, just recently as of 2017 or 2016 some guy access Quicktime and saw the channels. I am questioning him on this. I will also attempt to reinstall OS 9 as my entire hard drive is messed up and my OS 9 got corrupted.

The issue with the Quicktime and Sherlock plugins is that they use HTTP.  Most of the modern Internet uses HTTPS with TLS 1.2 or later encryption, and a modern set of root certificates.

In order to get this stuff working, we'd need to replace the support libraries used to handle these plugins to support modern HTTPS.  Probably a worthwhile goal, but this is a multi-step process.

[lepidotos]

Multi-button mouse support would be nice.

[IIO]

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,3185.0.html

[cybernetix]

It appears from MacOS 9.1 onwards Apple broke/removed resource decompression. This feature was build into Resource Manager to allow programs to access resource fork data that may be compressed on disk but "heats" it into memory as uncompressed data. The lack of resource decompression contributes to why After Dark 4.0/Deluxe crashes on MacOS 9.1 and later systems.

It would be awesome to get this functionality back as this may go towards overall app compatibility and stability on MacOS 9.2.2.