Powermac G4 MDD Mac OS 9 and OS X Leopard dualboot tutorial

[Bollepoes]

This section was added by Diehard

Before you read this thread, please be aware that we have bootable installation CD Images
for Mac OS 9.2.2 for both the MDD FW400 & MDD FW800 in our downloads area.
FW400: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2109.0
FW800: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2143.0

Also, be aware that you do NOT need to have OS X loaded at all, if you wish to create a Mac OS 9.2.2 only PPC.

If you wish to create a Dual boot PPC G4; simply install OS X 10.1 thru 10.4 (remember to check the "Install OS 9 drivers" when initializing the hard drive) and then extract and drag our Mac OS 9.2.2 Updated "drag Install"
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1859.0

Below is the original Post...

Hello guys,

I'm making this tutorial for you guys because i myself had a very hard time to get OS 9 to work on my Powermac MDD.
So in this tutorial i will explain in depth how to get OS 9 to run on your MDD model.

Notes:
- You need a FW400 model, FW800 will not work.
- You can't use a normal Mac OS 9 CD you need a special recovery CD which i will provide a link for.
- Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger is required cause you need OS 9 Drivers to get it to boot
- I ONLY TESTED THIS WITH A SECOND HARDDRIVE so I'm not sure if this works with a second partition on one drive.

Requirements:
- Powermac G4 MDD FW400
- Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
- Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard
- Mac OS 9 (Recovery CD) http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-922-powermac-g4-mdd

Partitioning:

So for the beginning you need to put in your OS X 10.4 Tiger CD and go to disk utility in the installer.
Now make 2 partitions on your harddrive, one for OS X and one for OS 9 (Or you can use 2 harddisks like me.)

Make the first partition "Mac OS Extended (Journaled)" and the second one "Mac OS Extended" (Read somewhere that OS 9 Will not boot on Journaled).

Installing:

So from here on you can go into 2 directions, that is go ahead and install OS X Tiger or quit this installation and put in your OS X Leopard CD in. (yes you can choose which one you want)
Now just install OS X like you would normally do and meet me at the next step.

OS 9 Preparation :

So now that you have installed OS X Tiger or Leopard its time to get to the part you all came for.
Download the .dmg file from the link i gave you on your mac. Or download it on your pc and place it on your mac via usb.

Now that you have the .dmg file on your desktop double-click it and there comes a new file on your desktop called "OS 9 Content".
Now you open your disk utility and go to your second partition or harddrive and restore it
With as source: "OS 9 Content" and destination: "Second partition/Harddrive".

Booting:

Now you all think lets restart this Mac and hold option/alt key to select OS 9 and boot it.
This will not work for some reason so stay in your OS X Leopard/Tiger.
Go to System Preferences > Startup disk and select the OS 9 Partition/Harddrive.

From here on you are ready and now you CAN use option/alt key to select which OS you want to boot and don't have to use Startup disk anymore.

Thanks for reading guys i hope you liked it.
Feel free to correct me on my English since it is not my native language.

Sincerely,

A guy that wants to help you MDD users out.

[devils_advisor]

Thanks you might wanna add some pics if possible and print that to a pdf for offline use.

[Bollepoes]

I will do that!

Thanks for the reply

[devils_advisor]

No problem

[MacTron]

Easiest:

Boot the computer from a CD, format the HD and copy or install the Mac OS onto it.

BTW: If your MDD is the FW800 model, use the iMic ROM.

... and Install Os X If you wish.

[Bollepoes]

Thats the whole problem with te Mac OS 9 MDD version.
It isn't bootable, it also isn't an installation at all.

This was a CD that you would get with your MDD back in the day for recovery.

Thanks for replying

[MacTron]

Thats the whole problem with te Mac OS 9 MDD version.
It isn't bootable, it also isn't an installation at all.

Yes it is.
You only have to record it to a real CD.

[supernova777]

Bollepoes: welcome
but some of the facts u are stating are old information
if u read our pages here on the forums u would see that we have overcome this fw800 limitation of osx only.. and that we are able to help users install mac os 9 onto any mdd, even the fw800 models..

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=762.0
see this thread for more info

[mrhappy]

Bollepoes: welcome
but some of the facts u are stating are old information
if u read our pages here on the forums u would see that we have overcome this fw800 limitation of osx only.. and that we are able to help users install mac os 9 onto any mdd, even the fw800 models..

Yes... And soon I'm hoping to boot OS9 on my iPhone!!!😁😁😁

[draftwork]

Hi guys,

I have a problem when i do partitions. I can't see "Install OS 9 Drivers" and i know that it's important to install OS9.
Can anyone help me?

Thanks

Terry

[GaryN]

Installing OS9 Drivers has to be done to the entire drive when it's first formatted (before partitioning).

[IIO]

Installing OS9 Drivers has to be done to the entire drive when it's first formatted (before partitioning).

are you sure? i usually do it when partitioning, and when a driver is fucked up i can even add a new one to the disk.

if he cant see the option to add OS9 drivers he either has a mac which doesnt support OS9 officially or he has chosen the wrong filesystem.

i dont know by heart: OS9 drivers require you to use AFP, right? (but that should be the default in 10.4´s disk util ...)

[GaryN]

Yes I'm sure. OS9 drivers reside at the top level of the entire disk.
They are installed by Disk Utility.
Despite what you think you remember, you cannot install them partition-by-partition.
That's why he doesn't see the option to install them.
Launch Disk Utility, initialize / erase the disk and the option will appear.

[draftwork]

I tried to erase the disk and the option, i still do not see the option.

Here are some info:
I have an Apple Power Macintosh G4 1.0 DP (MDD)
2 internal hard drive

So, i want to use one with OS X Panther and one with OS 9. Maybe i need to reinstall OSX with tiger but i don't have the cd's install

I need OS 9 to use Recycle 2.0 with my samplers..

[devils_advisor]

you can do that in os9 too if you have it running right now, but you cant wipe the boot drive

[GaryN]

I tried to erase the disk and the option, i still do not see the option.
i want to use one with OS X Panther and one with OS 9. Maybe i need to reinstall OSX with tiger but i don't have the cd's install
I need OS 9 to use Recycle 2.0 with my samplers..

Lots of stuff going on here…

This thread is entitled "Powermac G4 MDD Mac OS 9 and OS X Leopard dualboot tutorial"
You have an MDD - a perfect machine for those two OS's
NOW you say you want Panther BUT you don't have any OS CDs or DVDs

So, what you're lacking here is knowing the basic procedure to set up your Mac.

YOU NEED: a retail Leopard install DVD (or Tiger, but I would use Leopard) . They're available and cheap on Ebay.
There are also machine-specific discs that are: A) hard to identify properly and: B)will NOT work if they're not exactly the correct one for your computer. Spend the money - get a retail DVD - it will be good to have.

Using the DVD, you will then:
1: Initialize the hard drive, checking the box to…
2: Install OS9 drivers.
3: Partition the drive into at least two volumes.
4: Install OSX into the first one.
    Then
5: Boot OSX and set up everything it tells you to.
6: In OSX, download and install TenFourFox.
7: Use TenFourFox  to download the OS 9.2.2 Universal CD image from here:

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,2109.msg10853.html#msg10853

8: Use that image to install OS9 on your OS9 partition.

As soon as that's done, go to OSX System Preferences and prevent Time Machine (which isn't even working yet since it doesn't have a backup drive to use) and Spotlight from indexing your OS9 partition. Just look at the options and checkboxes etc that you see - it's simple.
Doing this immediately will prevent a whole bunch of weird errors and crashes - don't forget to do it.

Are there other ways to get from where you're at to fully installed? Sure, but I think this is the simplest straightforward and most effective way.

[mrhappy]

Yes... Do what Gary says!

[draftwork]

Thanks for this detailed answer !
One question: Is it possible to boot on a usb key with Tiger? And then install OS 9 Drivers?
Because i tried this and i can't see the options "install OS 9 drivers"..

[devils_advisor]

You have to select the drive to see it and not just the partition.

[draftwork]

So guys,

I created a usb boot with Leopard.
Here is my problem: i start with alt key. The installation start, and i go to Utilities and erase disk but i can't see "os 9 drivers".

Maybe it's because i need a real Install CD?