The Acard ARS-2133 IDE-to-SATA Bridge with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD

[(S)ATAman]

Just when you might think that it’s quiet enough to take a nap…
                              yet another “rogue” enters the proverbial fold.

That MICROPΩLIS is still here and working (but gathering dust).
Could possibly be in (S)ATAman’s future, minus the SCSI drives.

If we all hang around here long enough, who knows who…
                                                 and what might just show up?

Welcome aboard, glad that you're here!

Thank you guys for compliments - let's celebrate later.
If anyone knows what is an OK video card for G4 MDD which can drive a 30" monitor under "9" at the 2560 x 1600 that would be helpful.
2D acceleration is enough, it's just for CodeWarrior.

Most, if not all of the stuff does compile and build under 10.4.x on G5 Quad in the "classic" window, so there is no sense of urgency.
The current card in MDD is the original "Rage 128", this is certainly not good enough.

The stock card in my G5 "Quad" is the lowest-grade, but at least it drives the 30" monitor at the best resolution.

[Philgood]

Just bought 5 of these recommended design ide-SATA bridges.
They will arrive here in 1-2 months.

Thanks (S)ATAman.

[IIO]

If anyone knows what is an OK video card for G4 MDD which can drive a 30" monitor under "9" at the 2560 x 1600 that would be helpful.

we believe none does that, not even the geforce 4 ti.

the "9" cards mostly end up at 2048x1536 - and you will also not be able to attach a dual-DVI monitor to ADC so easily.

the radeon 9600 had dual link dvi on a G4, but of course only in OSX. and when i rember right they are all x8? (p.s.: nevermind, i looked it up, it also is limited to 2048x1536)

[(S)ATAman]

If anyone knows what is an OK video card for G4 MDD which can drive a 30" monitor under "9" at the 2560 x 1600 that would be helpful.

we believe none does that, not even the geforce 4 ti.

the "9" cards mostly end up at 2048x1536 - and you will also not be able to attach a dual-DVI monitor to ADC so easily.

the radeon 9600 had dual link dvi on a G4, but of course only in OSX. and when i rember right they are all x8? (p.s.: nevermind, i looked it up, it also is limited to 2048x1536)

Ok, it's not that easy and really confusing. But if nothing else I would rather live with 2028x1536 than with the lowest of the low i have for G4 MDD now.
Will be 8500 for 2048 x 1536 sufficient?

[IIO]

i dont know by heart as there are probably more than one model of the 8500.

if you only need more screenspace the better path is to use multiple monitors.

but the 30" seems not doable.

in theory you could feed a 30" with two GPUs which each delivers 2560 x 800... but if i would have to guess... then i would think that there is also no card which can do this under OS9 (plus "multiresolutions" extension)

and it might look strange when the upper half is not in sync with the lower half.

[(S)ATAman]

i dont know by heart as there are probably more than one model of the 8500.

if you only need more screenspace the better path is to use multiple monitors.

but the 30" seems not doable.

in theory you could feed a 30" with two GPUs which each delivers 2560 x 800... but if i would have to guess... then i would think that there is also no card which can do this under OS9 (plus "multiresolutions" extension)

and it might look strange when the upper half is not in sync with the lower half.

I did see in a German-speaking forum that somebody achieved the full 2560 x 1600. In my seniority moment I forgot to save the link.

[IIO]

hm, how long ago?

i dont know anything about it, but mb he was using a GF6 PCI-X?

[Protools5LEGuy]

I did see in a German-speaking forum that somebody achieved the full 2560 x 1600. In my seniority moment I forgot to save the link.

CubeOwner?

[(S)ATAman]

I did see in a German-speaking forum that somebody achieved the full 2560 x 1600. In my seniority moment I forgot to save the link.

CubeOwner?

Could be. Now it's moot, I landed up buying an Apple 9000 Pro for £12 even and paid an other £16.26 for the shipping.

See the related thread here:

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5262.0.html

If nothing else, the 9000 Pro should beat the cr@p out of the current non-pro 128 Rage.
With the "Rage 128" I can't even achieve the 1900x1080 on "9", only in "X".

The 9000 Pro card is already shipped, hope it arrives well and will do the job (1900x1080 or, better 1900x1200 on "9" with 2D acceleration good enough to feel CodeWarrior UI fast enough). I think the 9000 Pro could be even over-qualified. Unfortunately the "Rage" is completely under-qualified.

2560 x 1600 remains a dream. But given the superb font quality of "9" and the very clear UI guidelines the 1900x1200 (hope, that resolution will work on "9" with 9000 Pro) is not much less productive than my 4K on "X".

[macStuff]

rage 128 caps out at 1680 x 1050
in its defense; monitors that big were not created yet while it was a current card
im still actually using my first flat screen monitor i ever bought.. samsung. 1680x1050 "Syncmaster 226BW"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16:10_aspect_ratio
the 16:10 ratio didnt appear untill 2003;
the rage 128 was current in 1999-2002 time period

Industry moves towards 16:10 from 2003 to 2008
Until about 2003, most computer monitors had a 4:3 aspect ratio and some had 5:4. Between 2003 and 2006, monitors with 16:10 aspect ratios became commonly available, first in laptops and later also in standalone monitors. Such displays were considered to be better suited for productive uses such as word processing and computer-aided design.[4][5]

[IIO]

1900x1200 on "9" with 2D acceleration good enough to feel CodeWarrior UI fast enough

1920x1200 (WUXGA) works fine with all of these cards, you could say that this is the "normal" resolution for a quicksilver or MDD. it works great with the mini G4, too.

but if you go higher than that, you usually end up with 50Hz or even 30Hz... which doesnt look nice... and you needed multiresolutions to match to the vertical frequency values the monitor supports.

unlike 2k or HD, with WUXGA you must be already careful with VGA cables. cheap cables normally dont make distances of > 150-200 cm.

But given the superb font quality of "9" and the very clear UI guidelines the 1900x1200 (hope, that resolution will work on "9" with 9000 Pro) is not much less productive than my 4K on "X".

absolutely.

i am regulary pissed how the size 9 font in my apps look when i open the same stuff on windows or post 10.11 OSX.

[(S)ATAman]

absolutely.

i am regulary pissed how the size 9 font in my apps look when i open the same stuff on windows or post 10.11 OSX.

The problem is with every single version of "X".
I created a toolchain for CodeWarrior and every normal IOKit driver project can be created with CW.

(Un)fortunately I can't use anything later than 10.6.8 because starting with 10.7.0 there is no Rosetta anymore.

If anyone compares the very clean UI of the CodeWarrior with the total mess of the XCode they wonder, what kind of UI guidelines Apple does follow.

The worst unfortunately are the fonts. Finding good ones for CodeWarrior under PPC emulation (and with Carbon) is a joy.
Everything with Cocoa is horrific.

The later fonts (10.13.6 here) tend to be better to, but you have to work very hard.
On 42" 4K monitor I am using (if I have to) size 14 Courier New with "Relaxed Spacing".

But I rarely if ever touch XCode other way, than command-line.

All editing is done in a Snow Leopard Server window under Parallels with Code Warrior.

That automatically means, all driver projects have to be 10.6.8 compatible. They are universal, so 10.4.x (or 10.5.x) is the starting point. Since there are projects like NVMe that means I do have NVMe drivers for... of course 10.13.6 or later only. If, by coincident, anyone sees something else by mistake - it's a mirage and clear sign of bad vision.

NVMe has absolutely, absolutely, REALLY-REALLY no universal binary support. Anything earlier than 10.13 and of course G5 PowerPC NVMe ist 100% AUSGESCHLOSSEN!

This is what marketing and customer support sez and I do follow the leader.

[IIO]

and you have luck since you are only after text engines basically - you can easily just change the font size when you migrate a project.

for me it about idiosyncratic soft GL solutions and things like that.

while OS9 just displays the pixels as they are (so that truetype looks like bitmaps), in OSX there are 3 different font smoothing options in the OS, in windows there is sometimes smoothing and sometimes not, and if i would choose to use a bigger font for all OS, it would destroy my graphical user interface.

in addition to how the OS handels font, i am also depending on how differetn versions of the enviroment are doing it.

The problem is with every single version of "X".

in PPC OSX i can use the same version of runtime in my case. fonts will look 100% the same. issues begin for me with 64 bit OSX.

[Philgood]

Just bought 5 of these recommended design ide-SATA bridges.
They will arrive here in 1-2 months.

Thanks (S)ATAman.

Just arrived!
I will test them in my iMac G3 and a G4 MDD and report back. On visual inspection there soldering job look decent on these boards.

I actually was buying today 2 old samsung IDE harddrives through some local ads when the bridges arrived. I didn't even remember I ordered them and maybe should have invest in new SATA ones but hey, I saved them from being e-waste...

[mePy2]

Chris have done good bandwidth test, but my picture is pretty clear, I think:



In my opinion only the 64 bits Seritek is worthy, but I usually prefer the SATA to PATA adapters.
Why?
Because are cheap, (the good ones cost around 10 $ and the bad ones around 3$), it don't use PCI bandwidth (in some G4's). And If you are using a SSD with it, even though the bandwidth will be a bit low, you still enjoy one of the best benefits of a SSD: the fast data access time.

Access time. I was just asking you, does it worth the money/time to upgrade my G4 MDD to SSD? I’m currently working with a IDE ATA/100. I think I’m fine atm since I do not use it a lot but who knows...

Of course if you plan to use a SATA DVD recorder, SATA to PATA adapters are the absolute best option.

[DieHard]

I no longer have an ARS-2133 to get the actual benchmarks... they no longer exist in the wild, nor can I find a data sheet, so the speed and chipset is a mystery... I really dropped the ball on this one in 2015