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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1050 on: March 05, 2020, 09:39:29 PM »
no, you may not replace the ati drivers. the ones coming with the mini OS are already modified for it, the regular ones wont work.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1051 on: March 05, 2020, 10:17:42 PM »
No! Use the regular ATI drivers with the latest ROM! It fixes the mouse bug.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1052 on: March 06, 2020, 08:52:54 AM »
ah, seems i missed that the driver made it into the ROM now. ;)
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1053 on: March 07, 2020, 09:43:45 AM »
No! Use the regular ATI drivers with the latest ROM! It fixes the mouse bug.

I encountered the mouse bug when I booted the V8 image. Haven't attempted installing yet. Which ROM am I supposed to be using? I presume I need to replace the Mac OS ROM file both in the System Folder on the CD and on the bundled Macintosh HD.img that I presume the installer uses?

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1054 on: March 07, 2020, 12:43:29 PM »
strange enough, four weeks ago i already gave the right answer when somebody asked, and now i forgot it again. :P

but where is that latest ROM file again?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1055 on: March 07, 2020, 02:35:49 PM »

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1056 on: March 07, 2020, 03:03:51 PM »
i know this post and wanted to point him to it, but i didnt see the attachement. :D
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« Reply #1057 on: March 07, 2020, 04:12:41 PM »
Thanks for posting the link to the right post. I do remember reading this, but I had missed the attachment at the time.

I was able to modify the V8 ISO to include this new Mac OS ROM in its System Folder. I did that by mounting the disk image with -readwrite under Leopard, which still had HFS write support. However, when I try to do the same to the embedded Macintosh HD image, I get: hdiutil: attach failed – Operation not permitted.

I can mount the "Macintosh HD" img embedded on the ISO as read-only, but not as read/write. I will see if I can manipulate it better on one of my classic Macs, but any pointers on how to slip the new ROM file in there from Leopard would be appreciated. And yes, I did try running hdiutil as root.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1058 on: March 07, 2020, 04:14:02 PM »
i know this post and wanted to point him to it, but i didnt see the attachement. :D

Did you look under your bed? ;)

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1059 on: March 08, 2020, 06:20:03 AM »
with the "OS9 driver included" ROM we can start including an option for "manual install" with the v9 iso distribution and so can everyone who wants to create his custom mini OS.

so dont bother about modifying the ASR image - just assemble a mini system folder (f.e. on another mac) which you then can copy to your minis when needed.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1060 on: March 08, 2020, 07:14:24 PM »
I did something similar to @txviking where I copied ELN's new ROM + ATI January 2005 install onto the v8 ISO.

I booted the Mac Mini G4 with the updated v8 CD, performed a restore to Macintosh HD and then copied the new ROM directly into the System Folder.

I booted into Mac OS 9, deleted all the ATI* extensions and then ran the ATI January 2005 install. I've rebooted again and can confirm I have graphics acceleration however I'm still unable to get to 1920x1080@60 without blurry graphics/out of range over DVI-HDMI.

Is there a way for me to validate the NDRV is active and/or ATI extensions are working as they should? Happy to assist with troubleshooting :)

Cheers again for all the excellent feedback!

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1061 on: March 09, 2020, 02:05:20 AM »
I did something similar to @txviking where I copied ELN's new ROM + ATI January 2005 install onto the v8 ISO.

I booted the Mac Mini G4 with the updated v8 CD, performed a restore to Macintosh HD and then copied the new ROM directly into the System Folder.

I booted into Mac OS 9, deleted all the ATI* extensions and then ran the ATI January 2005 install. I've rebooted again and can confirm I have graphics acceleration however I'm still unable to get to 1920x1080@60 without blurry graphics/out of range over DVI-HDMI.

Is there a way for me to validate the NDRV is active and/or ATI extensions are working as they should? Happy to assist with troubleshooting :)

Cheers again for all the excellent feedback!

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4337.0.html

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1062 on: March 09, 2020, 06:44:04 AM »
Cheers for that @darthnVader. While I understand there is a pixel clock limitation, something isn't adding up. When I received my Mac Mini G4s from eBay, they were running Mac OS X 10.4.11 and worked on my BenQ 27" monitor 1920x1080@60 straight out of the box. For fun I reinstalled Mac OS Tiger 10.4.1, I hit the fuzzy graphics/out of range issue. It wasn't until it patched all the way to 10.4.11 everything came good.

My psychic debugging tells me that Apple put something into Mac OS X 10.4.11 to deal with the pixel clock issue.

In your post there is a quote regarding SwitchResX, is there something I can do with that tool that can propagate the resolution/timings into Mac OS 9 or am I basically stuck with what I have at the time being?

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1063 on: March 09, 2020, 09:08:51 AM »
switchres is a possible solution for OS9, too.

though i will never understand why sometimes 2k monitors wouldnt just work out of the box.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1064 on: March 09, 2020, 10:26:14 AM »
Cheers for that @darthnVader. While I understand there is a pixel clock limitation, something isn't adding up. When I received my Mac Mini G4s from eBay, they were running Mac OS X 10.4.11 and worked on my BenQ 27" monitor 1920x1080@60 straight out of the box. For fun I reinstalled Mac OS Tiger 10.4.1, I hit the fuzzy graphics/out of range issue. It wasn't until it patched all the way to 10.4.11 everything came good.

My psychic debugging tells me that Apple put something into Mac OS X 10.4.11 to deal with the pixel clock issue.

In your post there is a quote regarding SwitchResX, is there something I can do with that tool that can propagate the resolution/timings into Mac OS 9 or am I basically stuck with what I have at the time being?

The Pixel clock limit can be a real issue, compounded by the fact that most displays don't state if they are coherent/non-coherent.

I had to use the 'NDRV' from 10.3.7 for the Mini, as later 'NDRV's were not compatible with OS 9, and OS 9 'NDRV's are not compatible with 10.4.x and later. Apple changed the ways 'NDRV's work, and didn't care about OS 9 compatibility.

So check if the display works correct in 10.3.7 on the Mini @1080P, if it doesn't, then you're not going to have a whole lot of success with it in OS 9.

Apple's documentation on 'NDRV's is next to useless, and only the people that wrote the 'NDRV' for Qemu's VGA can really help us, and I don't know who that was to ask, but I've never asked at the qemu-ppc mailing list.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1065 on: March 09, 2020, 06:44:43 PM »
Thank you for clearing that up mate :) Yeah it sounds like I'm SOL when it comes to the monitors I have (tested two so far). I'll try 10.3.7 on the weekend to see what result I have but I'm doubtful given the result I got from 10.4.1.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1066 on: March 24, 2020, 04:01:18 AM »
Hi, seems great process has been made.
Haven't been able to make v9 for a while due to my exams that were coming up.

But now school has shut down for me, and my May/June exams are not going to happen anymore.
As well as studying for next year, there is a lot of spare time I have.
So I’ll be working on this new CD (v9) during times I can, which will be quite a lot.

Will include the new ROM, fixed DVD player, and anything else that was new.
So the ATI drivers are to use are the January 2005 (unmodified) ones right, are these the ones from the "9.2.2 Universal Install"?

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1067 on: March 24, 2020, 10:35:38 AM »
So when using the new ROM with the original ATI drivers, for me it causes the system to hang right after it gets to the desktop, and when I force quit, it asks to force quit “ATI Video Accelerator”. When I force quit the system is then usable, but no graphics acceleration. This extension doesn’t have a modified one for the mini either so any ideas?

Edit: Never mind sorted the issue, was using older drivers not Jan 2005 ones.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2020, 10:49:45 AM by RossDarker »
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1068 on: March 24, 2020, 11:30:18 PM »
yes, the second last, not june 05

are you going to include two options, with and without reformatting?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1069 on: March 25, 2020, 02:23:08 AM »
I’ll make another AppleScript updater app of course
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1070 on: March 25, 2020, 03:02:37 AM »
nah i mean we could stop using the ASR method completly, or am i on a wrong track?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1071 on: March 25, 2020, 03:11:10 AM »
Always useful to have the ASR method for those that haven't installed before, because they can boot off the CD, and if v9 CD then they don't have to install v8 then update.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1072 on: March 25, 2020, 04:04:58 PM »
So my CD-RW's came and was able to properly test now, here's a v9 ISO:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zg0Vm42Dt-xOwPm_A2Pn8OcA23SWHOKf/view?usp=sharing

Version 9:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=4365.msg30502#msg30502


Got some good changes including the new ROM, DVD player patch etc...

No separate updater app yet, but can do this tomorrow.

Let me know how this goes.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 04:31:19 PM by DieHard »
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1073 on: March 26, 2020, 02:45:10 AM »
So my CD-RW's came and was able to properly test now, here's a v9 ISO:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zg0Vm42Dt-xOwPm_A2Pn8OcA23SWHOKf/view?usp=sharing


Version 9:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=4365.msg30502#msg30502


Got some good changes including the new ROM, DVD player patch etc...

No separate updater app yet, but can do this tomorrow.

Let me know how this goes.

What is the DVD player Patch?

I must of missed it, if someone fixed it, how was it done?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1074 on: March 26, 2020, 03:26:15 AM »
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,2408.msg38412.html#msg38412

Probably just bypassed a hardware check but not entirely sure. Maybe it says somewhere
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1075 on: March 30, 2020, 04:10:18 PM »
COV19 has SoCal in shambles, I will get V9 posted here ASAP; Thanks again RossDarker for gluing together all the pieces !

And of coarse thanks to all that have made the mini project happen.

Lastly... I got 2 of Mat's Minis prepped with v8, but I will "redo" them to v9 and finally get them up for lottery !

Days... turn to weeks... turn to months... I hate fighting time !  Think I'll watch "DARK" again on Netflix and rollback a few years

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1076 on: April 01, 2020, 04:52:48 AM »
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That german show?

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1077 on: April 02, 2020, 11:19:18 AM »
Many thanks for the new image v9, is there any way to get the upgrade SIT (v8 to v9)
without to d/l the whole iso ? Its just I m facing very low speeds to get it -average 100 KB/s - and the d/l stopped once due to "server error".... thanks again


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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1078 on: April 02, 2020, 11:37:40 AM »
I'll work on the SIT hopefully tomorrow, for now if you want to update all manually you can fetch the new ROM from this thread somewhere, as well as the DVD player patch from Macintosh garden and then the drivers are also here https://www.macintoshrepository.org/1357-ati-os-9-drivers-january-2005-
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« Reply #1079 on: April 02, 2020, 11:43:35 AM »
cheers mate! I will keep an eye for the update.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1080 on: April 02, 2020, 12:42:58 PM »
Dark?
That german show?

Never saw it but it's popular between some friends of mine 😜

Yep... probably the best written Sci-Fi series in all of human history, extremely well produced with a great audio track done with some very rare audio retro synths and sound generators; the Germans have very talented actors, blows Hollywood away

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« Reply #1081 on: April 02, 2020, 06:07:06 PM »
This thread started five tears ago and is now fifteen pages long!
The best part is that it's the top pinned "reference" thread in the unsupported section.

I can only imagine some poor slob who gets himself a Mini, signs up and on here for help, sees the title and gets happy…

THEN… opens it to find post after post of yada yada yada yada and has to spend two days trying to sort out the useful info.
:o  :o  :o

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1082 on: April 02, 2020, 06:13:20 PM »
the best about some of these thread is that they start with pointing out something which is not possible, and a few years later it is.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1083 on: April 03, 2020, 06:28:28 AM »
Dark?
That german show?

Never saw it but it's popular between some friends of mine 😜

Yep... probably the best written Sci-Fi series in all of human history, extremely well produced with a great audio track done with some very rare audio retro synths and sound generators; the Germans have very talented actors, blows Hollywood away

Will give it try!
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1084 on: April 03, 2020, 10:55:10 AM »
This thread started five tears ago and is now fifteen pages long!
The best part is that it's the top pinned "reference" thread in the unsupported section.

I can only imagine some poor slob who gets himself a Mini, signs up and on here for help, sees the title and gets happy…

THEN… opens it to find post after post of yada yada yada yada and has to spend two days trying to sort out the useful info.
:o  :o  :o

I modified the original initial post after v9 to direct link newbies to the current download last week to avoid that exact scenario

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1085 on: April 03, 2020, 01:44:25 PM »
Excellent that the first post has been updated.

Here's the v9 updater sit:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15jMcmrz5ToAcsmC5aXUU_GDqqiMMG_jX/view?usp=sharing

Note that this is not a combo update, and should only be used on v8 systems, if currently on v7 or below, update to v8 first, then v9.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1086 on: April 03, 2020, 01:54:09 PM »
is that moth video on the dl page still up-to-date?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1087 on: April 03, 2020, 02:33:50 PM »
is that moth video on the dl page still up-to-date?
It’s just v8 instead of 9 but all the same principle.
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« Reply #1088 on: April 03, 2020, 03:02:09 PM »
I modified the original initial post after v9 to direct link newbies to the current download last week to avoid that exact scenario
Oh………

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1089 on: April 03, 2020, 03:51:03 PM »
It’s just v8 instead of 9 but all the same principle.

ah ok. i havent tried yet. i thought there is an option to not reformat now. :)
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« Reply #1090 on: April 04, 2020, 12:11:26 AM »

ah ok. i havent tried yet. i thought there is an option to not reformat now. :)

The sit file I posted yesterday will update you to v9 without reformatting.
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« Reply #1091 on: April 04, 2020, 05:58:41 AM »
somehow i think i still dont understand.

isnt the v9 update´s main purpose that you dont have to reformat the boot disk on a fresh mini?

that is what i meant when i asked last week if we can skip the ASR thing completly now. :)
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1092 on: April 04, 2020, 06:30:50 AM »
Yes, the whole v9 thing has all the new stuff.
The ISO image for v9 is for if you want to do a fresh install of v9, includes reformatting the disk, and uses ASR.
The updater app will update a current install of v8 to v9, without reformatting the disk and doesn't use any ASR.
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« Reply #1093 on: April 04, 2020, 10:54:23 AM »
but v8 requires reformatting so it is the same thing, no? :)

gotta sort my braon later and then check it out, i should have one g4 left without OS9.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1094 on: April 04, 2020, 10:56:59 AM »
There is an updater to v8 too which doesn't need reformatting, for if you're on v7 or below. Once you then on v8 then the v9 updater can be used.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1095 on: April 05, 2020, 12:48:39 AM »
so the scenario in the future is the following:

 - we have a mini OS, which does need an OS9 driver to be on the disk.

 - someone has a mac mini G4 with - of course - no OS9 driver on the disk.

 - now he wants to put OS9 on his mini without loosing his files.

how does the updaters, which requires a previous version of the image, which requires to reformat, help in this case? :)
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1096 on: April 05, 2020, 01:06:27 AM »
The ROM that ELN released, which is used in v9, also means that you can boot without needing OS 9 drivers on the disk I believe.

So in this scenario, they’d just use the iso to restore to a new partition, which comes down to adding a new partition without reformatting. Can’t remember if you can do this on tiger or below but I think on leopard you can.

Or in the ASR window, there was an option to restore in place, which should not reformat the disk, I think.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1097 on: April 05, 2020, 02:26:14 AM »
@IIO if you are on Tiger :

drive genius / tech tool etc lots of options... :)

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1098 on: April 05, 2020, 04:57:34 AM »
The ROM that ELN released, which is used in v9, also means that you can boot without needing OS 9 drivers on the disk I believe.

and that why i thought we could skip the restore process completely and just provide the system folder or a vise installer to new users.

i know that otoh this might trick people into thinking you can do dual boot from one partition (if they only have one partition) but somehow it seems more straight forward to me.

as long as the HD is formatted with HFS+ you dont even had to burn a CD, but use an usb stick. if you have OSX present, you could even directly download OS9. :)

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1099 on: April 05, 2020, 06:35:19 AM »
I suppose in that case, you could mount the restore image in the Configurations folder in the ISO image and drag the three folders (system folder, applications and the other one) onto a disk.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1100 on: April 05, 2020, 11:57:02 AM »
so the scenario in the future is the following:

 - we have a mini OS, which does need an OS9 driver to be on the disk.

 - someone has a mac mini G4 with - of course - no OS9 driver on the disk.

 - now he wants to put OS9 on his mini without loosing his files.

how does the updaters, which requires a previous version of the image, which requires to reformat, help in this case? :)

If someone wants to boot OS9 from the Mini, it will need to have the OS9 drivers on the hard disk otherwise OS9 will simply not boot. The only way to do this non-destructively (i.e. wiping and repartioning the disk) is to add the OS9 drivers using iPartition. You will need to create a bootable Tiger DVD with iPartition on it or run iPartition from a bootable external FW drive. The way to do this is not intuitive so there are a couple of steps starting with adding the HFS wrapper and after that checking a couple of tickboxes.

I have done it myself and it does work and is the only way I know that avoids wiping and reinstalling. Otherwise, youwould have to back up your entire OSX volume and restore it after repartitioning. You can grab iPartition at the Macintoshgarden.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1101 on: April 05, 2020, 01:36:41 PM »
I've been running v8 for almost a year with no problems. Updated to v9 via in-place updater and rebooted. As a result system remained without hardware acceleration graphic! Had to reinstall v8 from the cd! Now my mini is functioning again ( with 3D accel. gr. !)

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« Reply #1102 on: April 05, 2020, 01:39:51 PM »
Cheers I'll take another look at it to see if I missed anything.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1103 on: April 05, 2020, 01:46:38 PM »
Oh I see what I’ve done now, need to type the word “disk” a few more times in the script.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1104 on: April 05, 2020, 02:10:49 PM »
Alright here's a new v9 updater sit which actually works this time and have tested it properly, sorry about that!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dbfZEfYgbhWLGK2JY_xbGjlxrvzzWdSX/view?usp=sharing
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1105 on: April 05, 2020, 02:33:17 PM »
Thank you for the quick reply and help! And for your work! I'll try it tomorrow!

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1106 on: April 05, 2020, 02:39:15 PM »
If someone wants to boot OS9 from the Mini, it will need to have the OS9 drivers on the hard disk otherwise OS9 will simply not boot.

that it can boot without OS9 drivers is the main feature of v9.

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5162.0.html


see this is what i mean ross, new users think you have to reformat because the iso suggest to.

btw it is great to have the combo updater right on the CD this time. what is it doing with the old items? overwrite or trash?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1107 on: April 06, 2020, 01:18:54 AM »
First it copies a small file to the extension folder of the disk you enter to check the disk exists, is RW and has Mac OS 9 on (this then gets deleted).
Then for each individual file, it tries to move the old one to the trash, then tries to put the new one in its place. That’s for the extensions, DVD player related stuff and the ROM. Then at the end it blesses the system folder just in case. After the restart the old stuff is all in the trash which you can empty.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1108 on: April 06, 2020, 12:27:24 PM »
First it copies a small file to the extension folder of the disk you enter to check the disk exists, is RW and has Mac OS 9 on (this then gets deleted).
Then for each individual file, it tries to move the old one to the trash, then tries to put the new one in its place. That’s for the extensions, DVD player related stuff and the ROM. Then at the end it blesses the system folder just in case. After the restart the old stuff is all in the trash which you can empty.

As always, excellent work !  And thank you, RossDarker, for your time and effort !

IMO, we should NOT overthink every scenario, the main purpose of the v9 ISO is for people to do a nice clean install/format and have all the best drivers, ROM, and files to turn a PPC G4 mini into an OS9 powerhouse. 

At this point any existing users of old versions can either manually patch and track the changes since their version or use the new SIT.  But, I think we are working Ross a bit hard to create these SIT Updates; I would say, if the SIT does not do the trick, just run a new v9 ASR. At any rate, CA lockdown sucks, but I finally have time to do a few house-cleaning things on the site and also use v9 on the Minis that have been patiently waiting for it.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1109 on: April 06, 2020, 01:13:47 PM »
the updater app is great for people who are new to OS9 (but otoh if you dont know it, you usually also do not need to copy your personal system) - for experienced OS9 users just a handful of files would be also enough i think (for example to make your personal boot CD, which is what i am always doing. some of my controlpanels and preferences files date back 1996 :) )
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1110 on: April 14, 2020, 10:16:17 PM »
the updater app is great for people who are new to OS9 (but otoh if you dont know it, you usually also do not need to copy your personal system) - for experienced OS9 users just a handful of files would be also enough i think (for example to make your personal boot CD, which is what i am always doing. some of my controlpanels and preferences files date back 1996 :) )

Hello,

I apologize if this is a very late post. I have a PowerBook G4 5,9 17 inch DLSD - the only PowerPC G4 in my arsenal, though I have a PowerBook G4 550 Pismo. Will the modded 9.2.2 work on the this last Powerbook G4 ? It would be nice if someone can let me know, as it gives me something to do while I await going back to work due to COVID19. Stay safe and please let me know.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1111 on: April 14, 2020, 10:45:28 PM »
Hey Romko - you posted on the Mac Mini G4 thread. /But in answer to your question NO and especially NO with the Mac Mini’s beautifully hacked OS 9 install disk. (Get yourself a G4 Mac Mini maybe?) I too have a 17” monster like yours and have been waiting for the magician’s around here to announce that they’ve solved the OS 9 “Classic Only” on this specific PowerBook.

*Maybe they have and they’re just keeping it a secret from me? If so, I’m certain that someone will post to tell me that I’m wrong… and I could be.

Stay safe and healthy… yourself. ;)

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1112 on: April 15, 2020, 10:32:46 AM »
the day when my brandnew 1,67 book with 1680 screen can run OS9 will be a good day.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1113 on: April 23, 2020, 11:32:04 AM »
Hi,


I installed the latest upgrade (from .sit) but now the mouse freeze is worst than ever
The machine boots ok , displays a message from USB overdrive (expired or so)
after a couple of seconds the mouse stuck on right side and stays there forever no matter
how reboots I am doing - same result.


its the mac mini G4 1.4Ghz

darn.... the problem was the mouse... !! I can't believe it, it worked for years now this.
I put a new one and works well.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1114 on: May 04, 2020, 09:39:54 AM »
Hey Romko - you posted on the Mac Mini G4 thread. /But in answer to your question NO and especially NO with the Mac Mini’s beautifully hacked OS 9 install disk. (Get yourself a G4 Mac Mini maybe?) I too have a 17” monster like yours and have been waiting for the magician’s around here to announce that they’ve solved the OS 9 “Classic Only” on this specific PowerBook.

*Maybe they have and they’re just keeping it a secret from me? If so, I’m certain that someone will post to tell me that I’m wrong… and I could be.

Stay safe and healthy… yourself. ;)

Hi, sorry for the late response. I am trying to stay safe and healthy. Furloughed since April 6, 2020, but otherwise still going strong. The reason why I asked if the universal install was good for the Pismo is because I needed firewire 2.8.7 drivers, as OS 9.2.2 originally had only 2.8.5 or 2.8.3.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1115 on: May 11, 2020, 02:07:37 PM »
Been lurking and following this thread for quite awhile and it's amazing the amount of hard work that's been put in as well as the display of technical expertise. Thank you to everyone involved! It's super cool being able to boot Mac OS 9 in this form factor without paying an arm and a leg for something like a G4 Cube.

I had a question regarding audio -- I've been running v7, upgraded to v8 and now upgraded to v9. Since v7, I've been using one of these adapters, that I think was previously recommended in the thread:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IRVQ0F8

With v9 my sound is distorted while using that adapter while in v7 and v8 it worked just fine. Looking over my install, it looks like I installed the m-audio drivers at some point trying to get audio to work. I've disabled those and I still have distorted audio. Reverting back to v8 works fine. Is there anything in the new ROM that might account for that? I've tried a variety of speakers and headphones and they all produce similar distortions.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1116 on: May 11, 2020, 04:34:56 PM »
omg. ATI, sound and mouse seems to be the bermuda triangle of the mac mini.
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« Reply #1117 on: May 11, 2020, 10:39:47 PM »
omg. ATI, sound and mouse seems to be the bermuda triangle of the mac mini.

haha. don't get me wrong, I'm not sold on my setup being in a perfect state here (due to having the m-audio drivers installed, though I don't know why they might cause this issue) or on the USB adapter I have. I'm definitely willing to find another audio adapter if need be. And also note that I'm not requesting any work be done at all to investigate it.

I was just checking if there's anything known that I should look out for, given the latest ROM changes, before I start swapping components out or doing a clean install. I also thought I'd ask considering others had stated they used the same adapter in the past. Basically, just checking to see that I didn't do something dumb on my end, haha.

EDIT: I'm also content with sitting on v8, since it's actually been working just fine for me and I'm happy just being able to run OS 9 on the mini in the first place.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1118 on: May 12, 2020, 02:16:08 AM »
sure, you will be fine with v8, but in case you are right about the sabrent we have to call houston.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1119 on: May 12, 2020, 12:48:33 PM »
It's super cool being able to boot Mac OS 9 in this form factor without paying an arm and a leg for something like a G4 Cube.

Actually, in this regard (form factor), the Mac mini G4 is about 4x superior than even the G4 Cube. I can and do fit my minis in corners between monitors that no G4 Cube could ever dream of being able to, even if sliced in half.

Also a cool side-note is that, despite the Cube's really good upgradeability, the mini still has much faster RAM (same RAM speed as MDD and PowerBook G4 1.67 Ghz) that the Cube can do nothing about (333 Mhz DDR1 on mini vs. 100 Mhz pre-DDR1 on Cube), which is a very welcome bonus in the mini's favor.

Both are very cool to have, but if form factor is not an issue, then I'd stick with an MDD in the first place. Personally, I have no use for a G4 Cube.

Edit: Just in case my message wasn't clear, all I mean to say is: rejoice your mini! On top of being cheaper, it has a much better and smaller form factor. :)
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1120 on: May 13, 2020, 02:18:03 AM »
Good afternoon :-)
I'm happy to try Mac OS 9 on my Mac Mini 2005.
I'm going to make a video with quick comparison of games running in Classic Environment and native Mac OS 9.2, also with demonstration of a way of dualbooting both OS X 10.4 and OS 9.2 (slightly fixed alexfree's tutorial). Are you interested in it?

Best regards, Vladislav.
P.S. English is not my native language, feel free to ask if you didn't understand something.
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« Reply #1121 on: May 13, 2020, 09:22:45 AM »
I'm going to make a video with quick comparison of games running in Classic Environment and native Mac OS 9.2, also with demonstration of a way of dualbooting both OS X 10.4 and OS 9.2 (slightly fixed alexfree's tutorial). Are you interested in it?
Best regards, Vladislav.

Yes, please post on youtube and provide a link :)

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1123 on: May 15, 2020, 04:30:28 AM »
tasty music, but someone give this guy a copy of RTCW. :)
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nvram: Error
« Reply #1124 on: May 16, 2020, 02:04:48 AM »
n-as-mac-mini:~ na$ nvram auto-boot?=false
nvram: Error (-1) setting variable - 'auto-boot?'

What am I doing wrong? Thanks!