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Offline cybernetix

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1060 on: March 08, 2020, 07:14:24 PM »
I did something similar to @txviking where I copied ELN's new ROM + ATI January 2005 install onto the v8 ISO.

I booted the Mac Mini G4 with the updated v8 CD, performed a restore to Macintosh HD and then copied the new ROM directly into the System Folder.

I booted into Mac OS 9, deleted all the ATI* extensions and then ran the ATI January 2005 install. I've rebooted again and can confirm I have graphics acceleration however I'm still unable to get to 1920x1080@60 without blurry graphics/out of range over DVI-HDMI.

Is there a way for me to validate the NDRV is active and/or ATI extensions are working as they should? Happy to assist with troubleshooting :)

Cheers again for all the excellent feedback!

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1061 on: March 09, 2020, 02:05:20 AM »
I did something similar to @txviking where I copied ELN's new ROM + ATI January 2005 install onto the v8 ISO.

I booted the Mac Mini G4 with the updated v8 CD, performed a restore to Macintosh HD and then copied the new ROM directly into the System Folder.

I booted into Mac OS 9, deleted all the ATI* extensions and then ran the ATI January 2005 install. I've rebooted again and can confirm I have graphics acceleration however I'm still unable to get to 1920x1080@60 without blurry graphics/out of range over DVI-HDMI.

Is there a way for me to validate the NDRV is active and/or ATI extensions are working as they should? Happy to assist with troubleshooting :)

Cheers again for all the excellent feedback!

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4337.0.html

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1062 on: March 09, 2020, 06:44:04 AM »
Cheers for that @darthnVader. While I understand there is a pixel clock limitation, something isn't adding up. When I received my Mac Mini G4s from eBay, they were running Mac OS X 10.4.11 and worked on my BenQ 27" monitor 1920x1080@60 straight out of the box. For fun I reinstalled Mac OS Tiger 10.4.1, I hit the fuzzy graphics/out of range issue. It wasn't until it patched all the way to 10.4.11 everything came good.

My psychic debugging tells me that Apple put something into Mac OS X 10.4.11 to deal with the pixel clock issue.

In your post there is a quote regarding SwitchResX, is there something I can do with that tool that can propagate the resolution/timings into Mac OS 9 or am I basically stuck with what I have at the time being?

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1063 on: March 09, 2020, 09:08:51 AM »
switchres is a possible solution for OS9, too.

though i will never understand why sometimes 2k monitors wouldnt just work out of the box.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1064 on: March 09, 2020, 10:26:14 AM »
Cheers for that @darthnVader. While I understand there is a pixel clock limitation, something isn't adding up. When I received my Mac Mini G4s from eBay, they were running Mac OS X 10.4.11 and worked on my BenQ 27" monitor 1920x1080@60 straight out of the box. For fun I reinstalled Mac OS Tiger 10.4.1, I hit the fuzzy graphics/out of range issue. It wasn't until it patched all the way to 10.4.11 everything came good.

My psychic debugging tells me that Apple put something into Mac OS X 10.4.11 to deal with the pixel clock issue.

In your post there is a quote regarding SwitchResX, is there something I can do with that tool that can propagate the resolution/timings into Mac OS 9 or am I basically stuck with what I have at the time being?

The Pixel clock limit can be a real issue, compounded by the fact that most displays don't state if they are coherent/non-coherent.

I had to use the 'NDRV' from 10.3.7 for the Mini, as later 'NDRV's were not compatible with OS 9, and OS 9 'NDRV's are not compatible with 10.4.x and later. Apple changed the ways 'NDRV's work, and didn't care about OS 9 compatibility.

So check if the display works correct in 10.3.7 on the Mini @1080P, if it doesn't, then you're not going to have a whole lot of success with it in OS 9.

Apple's documentation on 'NDRV's is next to useless, and only the people that wrote the 'NDRV' for Qemu's VGA can really help us, and I don't know who that was to ask, but I've never asked at the qemu-ppc mailing list.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1065 on: March 09, 2020, 06:44:43 PM »
Thank you for clearing that up mate :) Yeah it sounds like I'm SOL when it comes to the monitors I have (tested two so far). I'll try 10.3.7 on the weekend to see what result I have but I'm doubtful given the result I got from 10.4.1.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1066 on: March 24, 2020, 04:01:18 AM »
Hi, seems great process has been made.
Haven't been able to make v9 for a while due to my exams that were coming up.

But now school has shut down for me, and my May/June exams are not going to happen anymore.
As well as studying for next year, there is a lot of spare time I have.
So I’ll be working on this new CD (v9) during times I can, which will be quite a lot.

Will include the new ROM, fixed DVD player, and anything else that was new.
So the ATI drivers are to use are the January 2005 (unmodified) ones right, are these the ones from the "9.2.2 Universal Install"?

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1067 on: March 24, 2020, 10:35:38 AM »
So when using the new ROM with the original ATI drivers, for me it causes the system to hang right after it gets to the desktop, and when I force quit, it asks to force quit “ATI Video Accelerator”. When I force quit the system is then usable, but no graphics acceleration. This extension doesn’t have a modified one for the mini either so any ideas?

Edit: Never mind sorted the issue, was using older drivers not Jan 2005 ones.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1068 on: March 24, 2020, 11:30:18 PM »
yes, the second last, not june 05

are you going to include two options, with and without reformatting?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1069 on: March 25, 2020, 02:23:08 AM »
I’ll make another AppleScript updater app of course

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1070 on: March 25, 2020, 03:02:37 AM »
nah i mean we could stop using the ASR method completly, or am i on a wrong track?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1071 on: March 25, 2020, 03:11:10 AM »
Always useful to have the ASR method for those that haven't installed before, because they can boot off the CD, and if v9 CD then they don't have to install v8 then update.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1072 on: March 25, 2020, 04:04:58 PM »
So my CD-RW's came and was able to properly test now, here's a v9 ISO:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zg0Vm42Dt-xOwPm_A2Pn8OcA23SWHOKf/view?usp=sharing

Version 9:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=4365.msg30502#msg30502


Got some good changes including the new ROM, DVD player patch etc...

No separate updater app yet, but can do this tomorrow.

Let me know how this goes.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1073 on: March 26, 2020, 02:45:10 AM »
So my CD-RW's came and was able to properly test now, here's a v9 ISO:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zg0Vm42Dt-xOwPm_A2Pn8OcA23SWHOKf/view?usp=sharing


Version 9:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=4365.msg30502#msg30502


Got some good changes including the new ROM, DVD player patch etc...

No separate updater app yet, but can do this tomorrow.

Let me know how this goes.

What is the DVD player Patch?

I must of missed it, if someone fixed it, how was it done?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1074 on: March 26, 2020, 03:26:15 AM »
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,2408.msg38412.html#msg38412

Probably just bypassed a hardware check but not entirely sure. Maybe it says somewhere

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1075 on: March 30, 2020, 04:10:18 PM »
COV19 has SoCal in shambles, I will get V9 posted here ASAP; Thanks again RossDarker for gluing together all the pieces !

And of coarse thanks to all that have made the mini project happen.

Lastly... I got 2 of Mat's Minis prepped with v8, but I will "redo" them to v9 and finally get them up for lottery !

Days... turn to weeks... turn to months... I hate fighting time !  Think I'll watch "DARK" again on Netflix and rollback a few years

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1076 on: April 01, 2020, 04:52:48 AM »
Dark?
That german show?

Never saw it but it's popular between some friends of mine 😜
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1077 on: April 02, 2020, 11:19:18 AM »
Many thanks for the new image v9, is there any way to get the upgrade SIT (v8 to v9)
without to d/l the whole iso ? Its just I m facing very low speeds to get it -average 100 KB/s - and the d/l stopped once due to "server error".... thanks again


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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1078 on: April 02, 2020, 11:37:40 AM »
I'll work on the SIT hopefully tomorrow, for now if you want to update all manually you can fetch the new ROM from this thread somewhere, as well as the DVD player patch from Macintosh garden and then the drivers are also here https://www.macintoshrepository.org/1357-ati-os-9-drivers-january-2005-

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #1079 on: April 02, 2020, 11:43:35 AM »
cheers mate! I will keep an eye for the update.