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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #900 on: April 02, 2019, 12:11:03 AM »
Is there a possibility to change the Language or to make a own installation CD in another Language?

I ask this for possible entry for my blog in German.

most people should be ok with an US system ;) but you can take a german 9.2.2. and replace the modified components (a few things will remain english in this case.)

hello all, i can tell that a  9.2.1 german installation disc that came with my faithful 2nd hand wallstreet powerbook G3 boots up (at least) just fine both from internal hard disc (partition 2) and external firewire hard disc just by replacing the rom file from "v8 system" (on partition 1).

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #901 on: April 02, 2019, 09:27:40 PM »
I'm new to the Forum ANd was Checking out this Thread> What is the latest Version? And I would like to Try it out on My PCC mac mini I have the 1.42 GHz PPC G4 with The standard 80 GB HD and 256 RAM  all clean with OSX. 10.4.11.  If someone has the Link to the Latest Working Version I would Appreciate it. Thx in Advance  8)

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #902 on: April 03, 2019, 10:44:29 AM »
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #903 on: April 04, 2019, 10:05:23 PM »
So. I'd tried to make a bootable CD. I tried one as the ISO and one with the CD img on My Desktop-

They don't boot. What am I doing wrong??????

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #904 on: April 05, 2019, 05:28:55 PM »
I think this is a Hoax and Everybody is Laughing at Me, Having stayed up all night And Wasting my day. =/
« Last Edit: April 05, 2019, 06:38:10 PM by Bo_Star »

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #905 on: April 06, 2019, 08:34:08 AM »
So. I'd tried to make a bootable CD. I tried one as the ISO and one with the CD img on My Desktop-

They don't boot. What am I doing wrong??????

It should have worked. I just tested it myself.

I downloaded the file "Ross's Mac mini OS 9 CD V8.iso", and burnt it to a cd. When mounted, the CD showed up as "Mac mini OS 9 CD". When I started my Mac mini with the cd in the drive and the 'c' key held down, it booted the cd. When the 'c' key was not held down, it booted from the normal hard drive.

Did your attempt to boot it go differently?

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #906 on: April 06, 2019, 08:37:18 AM »
Also note that OSX probably won't let you select the cd as the startup device using System Preferences. it doesn't give you that option because the system is not "supposed" to be able to boot 9.2.2, even though the cd actually can boot on a mini.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2019, 08:57:52 AM by Daniel »

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #907 on: April 06, 2019, 09:04:35 AM »
Also
I have have had issues making bootable cd’s from my modern Mac, but no issues from my G4 Mac on same image file.
Don’t shoot the image file because of the cd burning program, or methods used.  ;)

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #908 on: April 07, 2019, 01:38:41 AM »
Thx Everyone, I got it. I had to Burn the ISO from Disk Utilities on the Mac Mini. and restart with Option Key Down...  I was Buring it on My MBA  with a USB  Combo drive....   Now to set up OMS right=/

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #909 on: April 07, 2019, 05:35:15 AM »
I think sometime we should compile a list of all these gotchas and put the list at every "previously unsupported" cd.

A lot of the things that are obvious to us aren't that obvious to other people.

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« Reply #910 on: April 07, 2019, 01:37:12 PM »
I think sometime we should compile a list of all these gotchas and put the list at every "previously unsupported" cd.

A lot of the things that are obvious to us aren't that obvious to other people.

I don't Use My Mini for anything internet Just on LAN. So I dl it on a MBA and Burn a CD using the MBA  But MBA doesn't have a Optical Drive and I used an external one..  I didn't think of doing it on the mini......  =/  Now I'm dealing with OMS issues. But that's another topic......

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #911 on: April 08, 2019, 09:07:53 AM »
I think sometime we should compile a list of all these gotchas and put the list at every "previously unsupported" cd.

A lot of the things that are obvious to us aren't that obvious to other people.

Nah.... that's half the fun... many core members (including you, Daniel) have created a literal goldmine of treasure for others to have...free....at will,
but we can only spoon-feed so far, effort must be done by the "true believers" to reach OS9 Valhalla

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« Reply #912 on: April 08, 2019, 02:03:14 PM »

“…navigatin’ them fjords” Sven. ;)
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #913 on: April 12, 2019, 02:13:39 AM »
i just ran into an offer for an A1103 with 933MHz (shows image of about-this-mac and confirmed my question about it).

is it possible to downclock the 1.25 to 933? seems weird.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #914 on: April 13, 2019, 05:09:59 AM »
I think sometime we should compile a list of all these gotchas and put the list at every "previously unsupported" cd.

A lot of the things that are obvious to us aren't that obvious to other people.

especially the more experienced user will "know" that he does not have to hold C when there is no other OS on the internal harddrive or anywhere else available. :)

but if you ask me, the download thread is already overloaded with information and most people are too impatient anyway and dont read stuff.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #915 on: April 13, 2019, 06:07:27 PM »
I have a Mini G4 1.33 GHz with the 9200 card.  It is connected to a Dell 24-inch monitor (vintage 2007) with a native resolution of 1900 x 1200 via a DVI cable.  I created the Mac Mini OS 9 Install Disk (version 8) successfully.  I was able to boot from it on the built in hard drive, as well as on an external FW CD drive.  In both cases, all of the expected things on the desktop seem to have shown up to begin the install, but all the text was garbled, mostly unreadable.  I attached a couple of pictures to demonstrate.

Does anyone have any ideas why this is happening, and what can be done to fix it?

Thanks!

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #916 on: April 13, 2019, 06:32:33 PM »
The pointer and the scroll bars look weird too, not just the text.

Probably means that either the screen is messed up, or the mini's display output is.

I would suggest testing the monitor on a different computer, and the mini with a different monitor. That should tell you what is messed up.

You can also try changing various settings in the monitor control panel, or maybe the menu of the display itself. That may fix things, but I doubt it.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #917 on: April 13, 2019, 06:58:23 PM »
The pointer and the scroll bars look weird too, not just the text.

Probably means that either the screen is messed up, or the mini's display output is.

I would suggest testing the monitor on a different computer, and the mini with a different monitor. That should tell you what is messed up.

You can also try changing various settings in the monitor control panel, or maybe the menu of the display itself. That may fix things, but I doubt it.

Thanks for your response, Daniel.  I should point out that the Dell screen image looks perfectly fine using this setup on the Mini booting into OS 10.4, or using programs in the Classic OS 9 emulation. I would think if there was a problem with the mini itself, it wouldn't produce a nice crisp image when booting into OS X, or working in the Classic environment, but maybe I'm wrong.

Also, the monitor has always displayed perfectly using my 2010 Mac Pro.  Unfortunately, I have no other monitors to test. 

I can try your suggestion of changing something like the resolution of the monitor from the OS X Display preferences, but once I boot into the OS 9 install disc, I would think those settings would be irrelevant.  I'm not sure what I could possibly change on the monitor itself.

Any other ideas?

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #918 on: April 13, 2019, 07:10:51 PM »
What OS 9 mini (hack) version number are your using?

And OS 10.4 was already on the mini’s HD along with Classic OS 9 / emulation?

Or did you two-partition the HD (one partition for OS 10.4 and one for OS 9.2.2)?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #919 on: April 13, 2019, 08:00:02 PM »
The pointer and the scroll bars look weird too, not just the text.

Probably means that either the screen is messed up, or the mini's display output is.

I would suggest testing the monitor on a different computer, and the mini with a different monitor. That should tell you what is messed up.

You can also try changing various settings in the monitor control panel, or maybe the menu of the display itself. That may fix things, but I doubt it.

Thanks for your response, Daniel.  I should point out that the Dell screen image looks perfectly fine using this setup on the Mini booting into OS 10.4, or using programs in the Classic OS 9 emulation. I would think if there was a problem with the mini itself, it wouldn't produce a nice crisp image when booting into OS X, or working in the Classic environment, but maybe I'm wrong.

Also, the monitor has always displayed perfectly using my 2010 Mac Pro.  Unfortunately, I have no other monitors to test. 

I can try your suggestion of changing something like the resolution of the monitor from the OS X Display preferences, but once I boot into the OS 9 install disc, I would think those settings would be irrelevant.  I'm not sure what I could possibly change on the monitor itself.

Any other ideas?

No more ideas from me. I have never seen this problem before.

At least it is a new and interesting unsolved problem rather than an old and boring unsolved problem :)

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« Reply #920 on: April 13, 2019, 08:14:25 PM »
At least it is a new and interesting unsolved problem rather than an old and boring unsolved problem :)

Ha ha - that's true!

What OS 9 mini (hack) version number are your using?

And OS 10.4 was already on the mini’s HD along with Classic OS 9 / emulation?

Or did you two-partition the HD (one partition for OS 10.4 and one for OS 9.2.2)?

I'm using version 8 of the OS 9 install iso.

The built-in hard drive is not partitioned and only has OS 10.4 on it; I installed it from a retail OS 10.4 install disk (not the one that I understand comes with a new mini).  I bought the mini used with an erased hard drive.  The OS 9.2.2 is on a separate external FW drive I had from an old, long gone computer. So when I go into Classic mode on the mini, it pulls the OS 9 stuff from the external HD.

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« Reply #921 on: April 13, 2019, 10:12:05 PM »
So, you’ve actually burned a CD of the Version 8 mini installer?
If so, can you boot the mini from that CD in the mini?

You have a retail OS 10.4 install disk so I suggest that you boot from the Version 8 installer CD, format and two-partition the mini’s internal HD with the V.8 CD… and then install V.8 / 9.2.2. Afterwards you can re-install 10.4 - back, onto the second partition. Then see if the weirdo stuff returns after the V.8 install… AND the re-install of your version of 10.4.

C-boot, option-boot or maybe even an open-firmware-boot might be used to boot from that V.8 installer CD.  You need two separate partitions because V.8 and 10.4 can’t occupy the same drive - unless they’re on separate partitions. [Have you tried option-booting from the Firewire drive (with the iso.) to install V.8 on the mini’s HD?]

The crucial point here is whether or not you can actually boot from that V.8 CD AND install OS 9.2.2 first on the mini’s internal HD. (Or install from the FW drive iso.) Think your mini is truly conflicted - having 10.4 and Klassic already present on a single-partitioned HD.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #922 on: April 14, 2019, 07:06:33 AM »
It is connected to a Dell 24-inch monitor (vintage 2007) with a native resolution of 1900 x 1200 via a DVI cable.

perfect setup for this machine. unlike the core2duos, it would even work fine via VGA at that resolution.

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In both cases, all of the expected things on the desktop seem to have shown up to begin the install, but all the text was garbled, mostly unreadable.

yippieh, we found a new problem, our reason for existence is secured for the next few days.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
- DieHard, random forum troll at macos9lives.com

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #923 on: April 14, 2019, 08:25:53 PM »
FdB, thanks for the ideas, but I think you might be misunderstanding one detail:  The garbled text and images I posted (in Post Reply 915) occur DURING the INSTALLATION process, specifically, after I've booted from the Mac Mini OS 9 Install Disk (from the version 8 iso).  So I haven't yet partitioned my mini internal drive, or installed a bootable OS 9 on the drive.

In case it matters, I tried two installation disks: One, created using the Mac OS X "Burn to Disc" menu item, and the other using Toast 9 Titanium.

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« Reply #924 on: April 14, 2019, 10:20:11 PM »
Yes, I misunderstood. Sorry.

You get the exact same garbled text and images attempting boot with both discs burned via both approaches? (OS X - B to D and Toast?) If true, ’tis indeed odd. Just out of curiosity and to possibly eliminate variables, boot with the OS 10.4 install disk and using that Disk Utility… wipe, format and partition the drive, checking “Install Mac OS 9 Disk Drivers” for both partitions & “Mac OS Extended”) then restart and try to boot & install from the V.8 CD again. If the problem(s) persist after that… PM me your address and I’ll mail you another V.8 Install CD to try.

Really grasping at straws now… all unnecessary items disconnected from the mini during these attempts? No off-brand keyboards, mice, FW or USB devices attached?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #925 on: April 15, 2019, 04:33:41 AM »
can yopu pls try the following: boot from the CD and the open the monitor controlpanel and change the resolution.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #926 on: April 15, 2019, 05:29:32 PM »
FdB, unfortunately, I don't have the original mini boot disk with both OS X and OS 9 install capabilities - I bought the mini used, and installed OS 10.4 using a retail OS 10.4 install disk.

IIO, I assume you wanted me to try changing the monitor resolution after I've booted from the OS 9 install CD created from the mini bootable iso (version eight) from this website. Is that correct?  If, so, that's a bit of a Catch 22: I can't see much of what I'm doing because of the main problem: garbled text and images.  But maybe I can clumsily navigate my way around based on positioning of menu items and windows.  The other problem is that the control panel items are not placed in the Apple Menu on this install CD, so how do I get access to the monitor control panel to change the resolution? (I haven't navigated OS 9 in ages).

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #927 on: April 15, 2019, 10:44:52 PM »
I have some interesting things to report.  As I mentioned, I have a firewire drive, which is connected to my mini.  This drive is from an old computer I owned a long time ago that ran on OS 9, and the system files are still on it. 

On a whim, I decided to copy the modified Mac OS Rom file from the newly-created Installation CD from this site, to the System Folder on my non-booting OS 9 stuff on the firewire drive.  Now, after re-starting the mini and holding down the option key, the firewire drive showed up as a boot option.

When the boot process was complete, I got the same garbled text and images I was getting when I booted from the Install CD. As I clumsily navigated through the garbled mess, I was eventually able to find the Monitor control panel and change the resolution.  The highest resolutions that worked were the 1280x1024 (60Hz), and the 1024x768 (both 60 and 75 Hz). All of these created stretched images of course, because my Dell monitor has a native resolution of 1920x1200.  But the images were clear (without garbled text or graphics).

I must confess, I was hoping to be able to play an old Ambrosia Software game called Barrack (which doesn't work right in the Classic environment) but unfortunately, the balls in the game don't move correctly even in the OS 9 environment. Drat!

Maybe, installing OS 9 from this specially-created Install CD onto the internal mini drive will yield better results, but I have my doubts. It would be nice if the resolution problem could be resolved somehow.  Just to be clear, the monitor displays perfectly in OS 10.4 as well as in the Classic OS 9 emulation environment.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #928 on: April 16, 2019, 07:23:10 AM »
Why not stick with 1024x768 60hz and be done with it. That's a normal resolution for that time and if it shows a clear screen use it. You won't be able to enjoy many games in extreme high resolutions in os9.

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« Reply #929 on: April 16, 2019, 11:56:25 AM »
Why not stick with 1024x768 60hz and be done with it. That's a normal resolution for that time and if it shows a clear screen use it. You won't be able to enjoy many games in extreme high resolutions in os9.

devils_advisor, you make some good points.  The main reason I bought this used mini a month ago, was so that I could open Finale music notation files circa 2002 in my professional work without having them be altered by contemporary operating systems or modern versions of Finale.  Truth is, Finale 2002 works beautifully in the Classic OS 9 emulation mode without a hitch, and in the native resolution of 1920x1200, which is important because of the detailed graphic work I do in that app.

As far as getting that resolution in the bootable "real" version of OS 9 to work, that's just so I can have more FUN and play some cool OS 9 games.  I should point out, that around 2001, I was working in OS 9 with a resolution of 1600x1200 using a 20-inch Dell monitor, which is sort of the 4:3 equivalent resolution to the 1920x1200 widescreen ratio for a 24-inch monitor. With that resolution, Barrack worked smoothly back then.

If it doesn't or can't get solved, I won't loose any sleep, because I can still do my pro work in Classic emulation, but it sure would be fun!  And I have to say, I'm totally blown away by the geniuses on this site that came up with a bootable OS 9 for this hardware.  Why not go for the gold? ;D

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #930 on: April 16, 2019, 05:55:54 PM »
Is your current monitor DVI-i or d ? Are you using a vga adapter?

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #931 on: April 16, 2019, 08:22:34 PM »

I must confess, I was hoping to be able to play an old Ambrosia Software game called Barrack (which doesn't work right in the Classic environment) but unfortunately, the balls in the game don't move correctly even in the OS 9 environment. Drat!


refresh the graphics cards firmware?

(but do not attempt to upodate the GPU drivers; the drivers belong to the things which have been modified for the mini OS)
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #932 on: April 16, 2019, 08:44:31 PM »
Is your current monitor DVI-i or d ? Are you using a vga adapter?

I'm using a DVI to DVI cable - no adapter.  I'll have to investigate whether this is DVI-i or -d.

refresh the graphics cards firmware?

(but do not attempt to upodate the GPU drivers; the drivers belong to the things which have been modified for the mini OS)

I'll try this tomorrow...
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #933 on: April 16, 2019, 08:55:14 PM »
I'm using an old DVI-D 1024x768 monitor for a few games that use vector graphics, Quake, to help keep from melting my Mini OC.  I ordered an $8 DVI-D-VGA adapter to use with a very low time 17" Trinitron.  I wanted to run lower rez screens for bit-mapped games without the ugly upscaled mess. Unfortunately, this adapter only allows 60hz.  Adapter should arrive Thursday.  BTW, the USB-DAC works great for in game audio.

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« Reply #934 on: April 18, 2019, 03:37:01 PM »

refresh the graphics cards firmware?


How do you do this in OS 9?  (The info on the AMD website seems to refer to OS X software for the Radeon 9200 card.)

Thanks!

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« Reply #935 on: April 18, 2019, 04:17:14 PM »
@tubaman500, I had the exact same issue you are having back when I first set up my Mac mini. The issue was the monitor on an OS 9 setup. Any OS 9 setup. Like you, I was, at first, using a DVI cable to connect to my monitor's HDMI port with a DVI adapter, which is analogous to your situation (usage of digital signals in both cases).

The solution was to use the VGA port of my monitor instead, and not the HDMI (DVI in your case) one. This means I had to use a DVI-to-VGA adapter on the mini's end, and a VGA cable. The problem disappeared. (Although I was left with a side-effect of the screen not being properly centered, but that's another matter.)

Despite this solution, I eventually switched to a CRT 4:3 monitor anyway, though, because proper gaming cannot be achieved otherwise! Any 4:3 monitor will work best, but CRTs are preferred because of their "truer colors", higher refresh rate and lack of input delay.

Hope this helps!

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« Reply #936 on: April 18, 2019, 08:22:33 PM »
Thanks, Jubadub. That's good to know. I'll get ahold of a DVI-to-VGA adapter and a VGA cable and give it a try.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #937 on: April 19, 2019, 02:23:25 AM »
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How do you do this in OS 9?

i have no idea. just do it in OSX. :)

(and yes, try a VGA connection first)
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #938 on: April 22, 2019, 12:34:26 PM »
Received my DVI to VGA adapter today. I attached the adapter to the mini and a VGA cable to the monitor.  Now I'm able to set the resolution to 1600x1024 at 76Hz (which wasn't possible with the DVI cable).  It looks very good.  Thanks everyone for your help and ideas!

Unfortunately, I'm still not able to play Barrack (even when I set the monitor to low resolutions like 800x600). The controls and most of the things in the game operate and move around correctly, but the bouncing balls hardly move at all.  I'm curious if anyone has gotten Barrack to work on their mini, and if so, what type of cable, resolution, and monitor are you using? (If anyone doesn't have it, but is willing to try, I can send you the freeware/shareware game app.)
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #939 on: April 25, 2019, 11:11:05 PM »
For the three people on the planet that are interested, I got the game Barrack working smoothly in OS 9 on the mini.  The solution is using Barrack version 1.0.4 (instead of version 1.0.3).  Man, I love the internet for the wealth of information and resources!

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #940 on: April 26, 2019, 05:06:07 AM »
Man, I love the internet for the wealth of information and resources!
Relatable. ;D Gratz on making it work! If I play Barrack, I'll remember your discovery.

Incidentally, I have been rocking the mini under OS 9 left and right lately, and I think I became addicted to this machine. Now I bought another 2 Mac mini G4 1.5GHz for a total of 3, with overclocking plans for at least 1. And if yet another cheap mini pops up in front of me, I fear I will not be able to contain myself!!

Best. Machine. Ever. For OS 9 or otherwise, it's definitely my all-time favorite in life. :D Still so thankful to ELN and all the others!

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #941 on: April 26, 2019, 08:48:40 AM »
barrack and apeiron were the tools of the time. i once downloaded by first beta from ambrosias hotlineserver i think.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #942 on: May 30, 2019, 08:05:00 AM »
Hey guys! Try out my video driver for Mini’s  9200. Running 1920x1080@60 on modern Dell 27 just fine: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5009.0.html Don’t forget to delete “ATI Via Driver” from Extensions before installing the new one.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #943 on: May 30, 2019, 03:08:57 PM »
JUST TO BE CLEAR SO EVERYBODY READS

1) the link provided to download the ISO, sometimes does not work right and downloads about 400 megs instead of 600. So get the iso from google drive.

2) the Mac mini G4 will not have sound:
   a) some users reported it fixed with external sound usb sabrent from amazon, others bought the same and it never worked nor detected in macos9.

   b) some users said to connect old speakers with volume control, i tried my old speakers with volume control externally powered and it did not work, i did not get any sound.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #944 on: May 30, 2019, 09:16:00 PM »
i was wrong

there is sound coming out of the minijack, even at full speaker volume its kind of low tho.
i was so wrong, i thought it had no sound because on common tasks like "empty the trashcan" and things like that i never got any sound at all, and on the sound system setup i see preloaded sound files for common tasks and when i hit play nothing happened

then i installed quicktime, downloaded some mp3s and some mov files and i was able to hear the sound!
these adapters cheap  china also work

https://showmecables-static.scdn3.secure.raxcdn.com/media/catalog/product/cache/ecd051e9670bd57df35c8f0b122d8aea/u/s/usb-to-3.5mm-audio-converter-adl-usb-audio-1.jpg

https://dqzrr9k4bjpzk.cloudfront.net/images/13467108/872424576.jpg

the second one has a small crackle from time to time.

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #945 on: June 01, 2019, 07:11:14 AM »
they´ve kind of set the sound to a fixed level as an interim "solution".
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #946 on: June 03, 2019, 12:52:55 AM »
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they´ve kind of set the sound to a fixed level as an interim "solution".


It's because the Mini's Toonie Sound Chip doesn't have a hardware mixer. All the mixing routine is done by drivers in Panther+ OSes. The Linux Developers facing the same issues and fixed that as well. Maybe someone know where to download Linux sound drivers source code? Also maybe somebody know something about sound drivers development under OS9? What is Sound Managers, SoundLib etc? Cannot find the info.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #947 on: June 03, 2019, 01:43:42 PM »
Info on this stuff is found in Inside Macintosh:Sound. This is the best online source of it I could find:
http://mirror.informatimago.com/next/developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/pdf/Sound/pdf.html.

The Sound Manager makes heavy use of Components, which are documented in Inside Macintosh:More Macintosh Toolbox. That is available here: http://mirror.informatimago.com/next/developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/pdf/MoreMacintoshToolbox.pdf

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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #948 on: June 03, 2019, 02:33:19 PM »
Info on this stuff is found in Inside Macintosh:Sound. This is the best online source of it I could find:
http://mirror.informatimago.com/next/developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/pdf/Sound/pdf.html.

The Sound Manager makes heavy use of Components, which are documented in Inside Macintosh:More Macintosh Toolbox. That is available here: http://mirror.informatimago.com/next/developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/pdf/MoreMacintoshToolbox.pdf

Hey Daniel! Thanks for this useful links! That will be great start! I want to develop some sort of alternative to Apple Audio Extension with software mixing capabilities. You was right when you said we need to write our own Extension. There is no way of patching like with the video drivers because all audio ecosystem was totally rewritten in OSX.
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« Reply #949 on: June 03, 2019, 05:50:16 PM »
Also maybe somebody know something about sound drivers development under OS9? What is Sound Managers, SoundLib etc? Cannot find the info.

the issue with sound lies far deeper. only daniel and a few marsians know where exactly.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #950 on: June 03, 2019, 06:17:23 PM »
Also maybe somebody know something about sound drivers development under OS9? What is Sound Managers, SoundLib etc? Cannot find the info.

the issue with sound lies far deeper. only daniel and a few marsians know where exactly.
Actually, I have no clue either ;D

I know where to find the sound drivers in the System File, but nothing about the sound chips.

This is one of the reasons I would like to decompile Open Firmware roms: OF knows how to talk to the hardware it has.

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« Reply #951 on: June 03, 2019, 06:49:53 PM »
then it was somebody else here (and the marsians.) what was it about? "audio object"? cant refind the thred.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #952 on: June 13, 2019, 01:09:50 AM »
I've successfully booted my MacMini (1.42) from the v8 cd (just had to remove and replug in my mouse), and installed, and can boot from the internal 500GB mSATA SSD without problem.  OS9 shows up from the alt-boot screen without trouble, despite the 500GB drive being formatted as 64GB for OS9+rest for OSX.  Is it really important that no partition be bigger than 190GB?

However, I currently have the problem that my USB mouse and keyboard are not responding.  It's not just that they're frozen, my (usb single click) Apple Mouse has no light on the bottom, and my iMac keyboard doesn't light up when pressing caps lock.  Both were plugged into a hub, and then the mouse directly into (both) usb ports in the back, but all I got was a single light flash on the mouse (and keyboard) and then nothing more.  If I juggled around the usb connector, I got multiple flashes, but still no response from OS 9, kinda like trying to power a USB drive enclosure with a USB1.1 port--it tries to power up and fails, tries again and fails.  I don't think I've tried only having the mouse plugged in (as it was on the cd), so I'll give that a try too.

This is also reminicent of using my Kingston trackball mouse on OS 9 (on MDD), if I didn't keep moving it at boot, it would die and no amount of unplugging would fix it. So I'll give that a try when I get home from work.  But I don't think that would help the keyboard.

Edit: only having the mouse plugged in allows me to use the mouse.  So that's a plus. Plugging in my keyboard later into my hub allows me to use both.

Of course, sound didn't work for me (from the CD at least--wasn't able to try anything on normal boot), but I have a generic USB to 3.5mm jacks that I will try.

Edit: usb sound thing is apparently not plug and play ...


Also: interesting side affect, while backing up my original 80GB drive to my PowerBook G3 in Firewire Disk Mode, I rebooted the macmini holding option, so I could boot into the Tiger install cd (beacuse Carbon Copy Cloner was giving me trouble), and the Jaguar partition of the PowerBook showed up.  Now, I happen to love Jaguar.  But everytime I booted an unsupported (too old) version of OS X, it kernel paniced while booting, or gave me a fancy grey NO symbol.  But not yesterday.  The MacMini happily booted from OS X 10.2.8.  The only thing I did to the PowerBook was change the boot logo to Kero-Chan from Card Captor Sakura.  Kero-Chan showed up, Jaguar booted, and I was met with gnarly colours because apparently there were no AMD drivers.  It recognised the monitor size (SXGA?), but only showed like 512 colours.  I'll talk a screenshot, because that was awesome.  And if I can get Jaguar running, I'm totally buying a bigger drive so I can make a Jaguar partition.   Jaguar Server maybe?
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #953 on: June 13, 2019, 04:59:09 PM »
Is it really important that no partition be bigger than 190GB?

< 190 to boot
< 500 for operation of norton utilities
< 2000 as maximum possible partition (and disk!) size

and forget jaguar, go 10.4.11 unless you have a good reason for lower.
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Re: Mac OS 9 booting on: Mac mini G4 (Detailed Posts)
« Reply #954 on: June 14, 2019, 12:48:34 AM »
< 2000 as maximum possible partition (and disk!) size

Is that disk size limit real with external firewire drives?
I bought my first new Mac when OS X 10.1 released. And I bought that Mac because it had Mac OS 9 too. And I bought my first 68k Mac when Apple stopped PPC Macs.

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« Reply #955 on: June 24, 2019, 02:41:31 PM »
yes, no matter which connection type. some of my 1,5 TB disks have 1.0 and 1.3 partitions.

normlly i find smaller partitions better, but OS9 has a limit of only 27(?) or so partitions which can be automounted after boot, so i´ve chosen to make bigger partitions the more disks i have.


ah, you are talking disk size. yes that´s also everywhere. not sure about network :)
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