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supernova777

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will this card work on mdd?
« on: February 01, 2015, 10:11:20 PM »


hey guys
so i have this card

and im wondering if its possible to make this card work in an MDD for mac os x..
i have my extra dual processor 867 mdd that im not using for mac os 9 and i want to use it for tiger 10.4.11 only now

i notice the video performance with the radeon 9000 realy sucks tho in tiger
i am trying to get my hands on the geforce ti4600 agp asus card aswell.. to see if its much improvement over the stock radeon 9000..
i dont want a 7800gs, because its not worth the $$ to spend and most of these ppc mac agp cards on ebay are a rip off


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Re: will this card work on mdd?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2015, 10:15:58 PM »
Off topic

For OSX I would use  nvFX5200 or 6200 or ATI >9500

I would spend time on http://themacelite.wikidot.com/

http://themacelite.wikidot.com/ati-radeon

http://themacelite.wikidot.com/nvidia-geforce

For any other thought: Ours brothers ThinkClassic https://www.thinkclassic.org/

Zenīs from PowerPCLiberation recomends nv6200 for Sawtooths

Any other AGP G4 needs http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11 tapping pins
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Re: will this card work on mdd?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2015, 10:19:54 PM »
fuck u its offtopic.. its me + my life!
and im asking you guys for help
do u have 5000 posts?

you can delete the thread after i get an answer

check out the performance this guy is getting in this video
hes using a 7800 GS (BFG) its pretty impressive

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vXsp9SPo24" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vXsp9SPo24</a>

putting a radeon 9800 pro into my g5 made a huuuuuuuuuuge difference in how fast the machine feels
so im thinking that it would also be the case in a g4 mdd. ie: video is the weakest link

then again maybe its best to leave X to the G5 + intel boxes that have the graphics power to handle that os
« Last Edit: February 01, 2015, 10:39:42 PM by chrisNova777 »

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Re: will this card work on mdd?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2015, 10:34:52 PM »
Dear Chris
fuck u its offtopic.. its me + my life!


As most of your post... XD

and im asking you guys for help


Sorry, but better ask that question on MacRumors http://forums.macrumors.com/member.php?u=146314. There are some OS9 haters there that would have some more experience with OSX than us.

I would also research on those blogs with lots of pictures of liquid cooled MDDs


do u have 5000 posts?


No, I prefer spend 5 minutes on Google before starting a new topic, thanks.  ;D


you can delete the thread after i get an answer


Sorry, but I am moderator only on most of http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?board=133.0

If you were posted on http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?board=141.0 it could be better for others to find usefull this info.

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Re: will this card work on mdd?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2015, 10:38:38 PM »
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/6600agp


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These PC GeForce 6600 AGP 256MB 128bit DDR cards can be flashed to Mac version using the suitable ROM available in the WikiDownloads. However, these cards require soldering a 128KB ROM chip and flashing in a PC using the method described in the GeForce 5/6/7 How-To.

If you have a 6600 card that does not match any of these, and none of the existing 6600 ROMs work for you, you can build your own Mac ROM using information from your card's PC ROM. Information for doing this is available here: NV Fcode ROM Editing Preliminaries.

Here are pictures and short descriptions of the cards known to work with these ROMs (these ROMs have been especially deisgned for these cards):
These are know to work:


PNY Verto GeForce 6600 256Mb rev1 AGP


Leadtek WinFast 6600 256Mb rev1 AGP


Twintech GeForce 6600 256Mb rev1 AGP

I find it easier/cheapier the 6200 as Zen says in http://powerpcliberation.blogspot.com.es/2012/08/leopard-performance-on-sub-867mhz-g4.html

See also the other author's hardware http://powerpcliberation.blogspot.ca/p/authors.html

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-XFX Geforce 6200 256MB DDR2 AGP low profile video card (flashed)

Also
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ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB DDR AGP video card (DVI/VGA/S-Video)
-ATI Radeon 9600 XT 128MB DDR AGP video card (DVI/ADC)

But beware he uses only Sawtooths.

fiftysixk's uses ATI Radeon 9800 (flashed) w/Zalman VF700-CU 2 cooler on  Power Mac G4 Titan (Quicksilver) G4 1.33GHz 7455B PowerPC w/2MB L3





« Last Edit: February 01, 2015, 10:50:57 PM by Protools5LEGuy »
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Re: will this card work on mdd?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2015, 11:01:16 PM »
that 6200 card is not compatible with mdd
u should use google for 5 min before u post:P lol
then u would see this topic is a bit more involved then u realize
which is why im asking for help

also the 6200 card is not very good performance wise
in graphics cards *100 or *200 are very much beginner bare minimum requirement cards this is true even up to *500 cards
performance cards start at *600, *700, *800, *900 model codes, the * representing the series 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, 9000 etc

http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/4B4B7BA2-7ABB-47F1-87AC-B03D37942BEE.html
u can see this in the way that japamac has ordered his list here
with the *200 cards at the very beginning of the list because they are poorer then the ones that follow
which also have higher numbers in the model code exception being the 9500 but it is a "pro" quality the others before it

ok i see now they have an original OEM 6600 GT rom
OEM    6800 GT    2130    AGP 4x/8x    350/500 MHz    256MB BGA GDDR3    128KB    Download (ZIP)

oops no that is 6800* not 6600*
they have a 6600 but not 6600GT
« Last Edit: February 01, 2015, 11:12:07 PM by chrisNova777 »

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Re: will this card work on mdd?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2015, 11:26:46 PM »
Sorry about info. Aparently 6200 hates MDDs.
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•Caution: This card is known to not work properly in the G4 Mirror Door (MDD) Mac.


 I guess ATIs:

9800 Radeon flashed or
X800 or
FireGLX3.

Nvidias:

5200,
5500
Also 6800 is lower $$$ than 7800  :D

But remember OS9 needs a thing OSX needs other
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1788584

Try on eBay any of these http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2

You could find a Good PCI card for OS@ and a Good AGP for OS@ and enable quartz if the quartz card is PCI, but the best scenario is AGP for OSX and PCI for OS9 if dual booting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=best+mdd+agp+cards&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=NybPVLmED4T7UpW_gvgL

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3723560?tstart=0

https://www.macgurus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26544

http://www.postseek.com/meta/beef1e6c3a80311e743d6459b46db18b




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Re: will this card work on mdd?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2015, 11:39:43 PM »
Best OS9 cards http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/8923D90A-7AD8-41F1-BD1A-FEA5E1780B95.html

Best OSX cards http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/4B4B7BA2-7ABB-47F1-87AC-B03D37942BEE.html

Also notice the PCI card PC GeForce 4MX (Arti), NV17 or NV18 core 4MX PCI/AGP 2x/4x    250/170 MHz from http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2 for latest Nvidia OS9 PCI and ATI 9100/9200SE/9250 PCI

For OSX latest PCI are nVidia 5200/5500 (CoreImage) and ATI 9200/9250 (No CoreImage but QuartzExtreme)

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Re: will this card work on mdd?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2015, 11:49:25 PM »
After reading a few times Japamac, ATI 9800/X800 or nVidia 5200/5500 PC flashed ones for MDDs. Also G5 AGP modded cards

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1843163

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1842865

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1084252 XD

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Re: will this card work on mdd?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2015, 12:20:05 AM »
Hi Chris,

let me see if I can help you out here. rather than you get stressed. after all, this kind of work is my speciality. GPU flashing in most cases is rather intensive if you've not already tried this. certain cards require a 2 way flash procedure and this gets dirty. the reason is because OS X doesn't always support or identify a GPU that's not officially coded by apple and in doing so, limits the amount of available supported GPU's on the market to certain rather pricy high end units.

In flashing it's important to remember that you're going to need a windows PC with a compatible motherboard for the GPU in question. it's handy to have either an open board on a clean desk powered, etc ready for use or as certain engineers I know would use an external chassis with a bridge controller to a host. The software used requires flash rom files that have been recompiled to do so. from there, once the GPU's flashed, tested, then OS X has to understand what GPU this is and there's some programming / resource editing involved. SOMETIMES THIS DOES NOT WORK! so I must make this clear.

ProtoolsLE5Guy's links can be helpful to a degree but remember this. it's not only the GPU delivering the performance, it's the logic board as well. AGP slots etc are clocked at specific data rates so they don't overload the main host running channels and as such will support upto a certain performance card. OS X 10.4 also has a different layer for GPU control with openGL as well as it's other GPU callouts so remember, if the GPU in question performs perfectly in 10.3, it's because of an old version of openGL built in to OS X, quicktime support, etc. there are many variables that exist in this framework.

I've been researching this myself and I too admit to a senior moment or two lol.

I'll make this bit clear. My concern regarding GPU's bears relevance to the operation of screen readers which translate data to speech relying on stable GPU's A GPU in my case isn't for getting amazing graphics, I rely on high end GPU's to maximise the potential data translative threshold to achieve quicker results. this isn't just in having a screen reader speak what's on screen, but also in translating documents via OCR where the GPU is working to translate in tandem with CPU and logical code.

I too am in the throws of the argument of taking out the factory installed GPU in a G4 MDD 1.25 single customised from an 867 dual.  my challenge is finding 1: a compatible AGP  card, 2: a card capable of being flashed to support OS X / OS9 for better performance, so as not to take from mainboard RAM any further on generating various streams of data via a screen reader.

If I can help, message me your email off list and between us, I hope I could help you.

take care chris.

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