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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #75 on: February 19, 2015, 09:01:09 AM »
MacTron, would you consider to use a ASR restore over the demoed run out install?

What other tools do you use to delete those files? Greg's browser or Filebuddy.

I have never heard about MacBugs...

I guess that the whole audio industry would not trust iLok if hacking it were just deleting 3 hidden, easy to find folders. But since we have decripted ASR, I see no reason why we couldn't.
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #76 on: February 19, 2015, 09:32:51 AM »

When you say reformat the entire HD is because you already tried t wipe a partition?


Yes, I do.

MacTron, would you consider to use a ASR restore over the demoed run out install?

ASR can't do nothing here, I think.

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What other tools do you use to delete those files? Greg's browser or Filebuddy.

None of those ...
I use to delete invisible files on my startup volumes just for fun. I use to start with all the files beginning with "."  :)

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I have never heard about MacBugs...

I guess that the whole audio industry would not trust iLok if hacking it were just deleting 3 hidden, easy to find folders. But since we have decripted ASR, I see no reason why we couldn't.

iLok is based on USB secure storage and code that is decrypter only on runtime. Otherwise this Sony Oxford plugins, even though they are "iLocked", uses a very simple challenge response scheme. This doesn't means that this easy to break ... just easiest.

Even Though I'm not interested in Pro Tools, this Sony EQ is very good, may be deserves a few more tries while we dont' have it in VST format, at least ... LOL
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #77 on: February 19, 2015, 10:14:41 AM »
ASR can't do nothing here, I think.
Disagree. An ASR image will always give a "virgin" list to compare/restore.

If the demo "touch" the APM itself, then a full drive wipe should be needed. Other OS9 backup system in other drive should make restoring a system quicker with ASR.

I think you start with a drag n drop install, later install pt free and the last step is to install SonyEQ.  In my study  ;D I start with an ASR with all my UVI libraries and PRO51 from NI installed.

I wish SonyEQ don't mess with the nvram. My main G4 is a DA that needs nvram hacks to wear bigger drives on OSX, and that could be a trouble for me in the future. At this time I only use "smaller" drives on it.
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #78 on: February 19, 2015, 11:13:04 AM »
And Sony directly says Demo run out.

or maybe you were missing the readme file, which says that you you can only reset expired demos. :)

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not the tool everybody out there uses.

if it is called after the wvs product it should be the right one. but i can not tell you by heart if it will work with the sony TDM installers. the number of "compatible" products is low. sony TDM was most likely using the dongle already. if it works, then for native products.

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Yes, I know is the worst possible scenario to make tests.

for testing it would be okay if it is a lot of work. but for everyday use?
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"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #79 on: February 19, 2015, 11:22:43 AM »
I have done this just to try to help (or may be just for fun) , because -as everybody knows - I don't care a shit about Pro Tools.

of course. if it is not VST, it is secondary. :)

but what we have here is a user who claims that he is using it with exactly this method ("wvs 4 reset for OSX"). we should at last wait for a third report until we post the final truth as wikipedia article.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #80 on: February 19, 2015, 11:26:15 AM »
What damage (aside the bought iloked licenced software) can do to a pure OS9 install to delete those 3 folders?  Is it something like rebuilding the desktop?

for most products rebuilding the desktop is not neccessary, or only required at the first round.

but in my opinion loosing a software you bought and/or which you depend on for a current project is the third worst damage you can have (after loosing the project files or damaging the computer hardware^^)
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #81 on: February 19, 2015, 11:29:30 AM »
And of course I know what I'm doing.

if we we would really know, we would not have to test it, we could just do it.

sorry, dear PT users, but i dont even have PT installed atm, haha.
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #82 on: February 19, 2015, 01:04:38 PM »
I'm having good results. ie I have achieved to reset the iLok demo in Mac Os 9 without full re-partitioning the hard disk and without re-erasing the working volume.

I'm trying to find the files involved ...
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #83 on: February 19, 2015, 01:30:53 PM »

the trick seems to be that you may not be a protools user.

since i switched to cubase in 1989 i think i even have better weather in my area.
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #84 on: February 20, 2015, 07:15:56 AM »
So ...

Filebuddy 7.6 on Mac OS 9.2.2
files are :

TheVolumesettingsfolder
Desktop DB
Desktop DF

after this you got 14 days to compress and equalize properly

I have found that ferridirection is right but only in part.
Because deleting "TheVolumeSettingsFolder", "Desktop DB" and/or "Desktop DF" is needed, but is not enough to reset the iLok counter. A few more files are implied and are located in "Preferences" and "Application Support" folder.
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #85 on: February 20, 2015, 01:23:17 PM »
Even Though I'm not interested in Pro Tools, this Sony EQ is very good, may be deserves a few more tries while we dont' have it in VST format, at least ... LOL

plus we would have to create a custom GUI for it, because the original looks terrible.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #86 on: February 20, 2015, 02:55:51 PM »
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
- DieHard, random forum troll at macos9lives.com

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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #87 on: February 20, 2015, 03:41:51 PM »
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
- DieHard, random forum troll at macos9lives.com

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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #88 on: February 20, 2015, 04:25:58 PM »
The good news is that I have a procedure that successfully reset the iLok counter for Sony Oxford plugins in Mac Os 9. The bad news is that only worked in the test computer, once I try the same procedure in the MDD I use to work on, the procedure fails, due to a missing invisibles file and folder, that should be in the Application Support folder,  :o so I'm confused ...
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #89 on: February 20, 2015, 11:07:59 PM »

since i switched to cubase in 1989 i think i even have better weather in my area.

Now THAT is funny! Haha! ;D

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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2015, 12:18:32 PM »
... once I try the same procedure in the MDD I use to work on, the procedure fails ...

Now the procedure works in any computer. But the main problem is that the damn thing hides invisible files and folders in different places ( I have a  list of four of them ). And it not always use all places at the same time. Some times even write in some files in the Preferences Folders, (I have a  list of seven suspicious files )...
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2015, 12:31:49 AM »
The bad news is that only worked in the test computer, once I try the same procedure in the MDD I use to work on, the procedure fails, due to a missing invisibles file and folder, that should be in the Application Support folder,  :o so I'm confused ...
Now the procedure works in any computer. But the main problem is that the damn thing hides invisible files and folders in different places ( I have a  list of four of them ). And it not always use all places at the same time. Some times even write in some files in the Preferences Folders, (I have a  list of seven suspicious files )...

If procedure depends on model that is bad news. I wonder if it reachs other drives aside system presents on Mac to put those hidden files. Your study was limited to one drive and one partition.

Thanks for your time MacTron. I was waiting for Sanek and ferridirection could come to forum more frequently and explain their methods in a clearer way. All OSX ilok reseter I tested did not reset the Sony ones in OSX.3 . The iLok hardware from 99 to 2011 did not changed. It is the interlok drivers what changed or evolved.

Some notes on OSX ilok
http://www.dogsonacid.com/threads/ilok-problems-with-waves-trial-version-mac-important.426828/
http://www.codez4mac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=3790
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    ((OO)) wrote:I'm pretty sure you can't reset at all if you're using pace 5.3.3. You need to uninstall and use pace version 5.3 or earlier instead.



yep, anything above 5.3.x is un-useable.

you can delete PACE from the following locations:

HD/Library/Application Support
-->PACE Anti-Piracy

HD/Library/StartupItems
-->PACESupport

HD/System/Library/CFMSupport
-->InterLokĀ® Engine

HD/System/Library/Extentions
-->PACESupport.kext

PS: you can check what version you have by going here:
HD/Library/Application Support/PACE Anti-Piracy/iLokSupport.bundle

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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #92 on: February 22, 2015, 09:20:52 AM »
I'm resetting everything (Sony Oxford) with iLok 5.4 !!  8) LOL

I'll try lower versions of iLok, let's see if it is easiest in this way...


I wonder if it reachs other drives aside system presents on Mac to put those hidden files. Your study was limited to one drive and one partition.

I thought that the security system can go up to the partition table level at first. But now I'm pretty sure that is limited to the partition/volume level only.
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #93 on: February 22, 2015, 12:15:42 PM »
Using InterLok Engine v 5.0.5 it is really easy to reset the counter:

Delete the content of "HFSExtentTables" folder inside "TheVolumeSettingsFolder" (this folders and files are invisibles). And perform a Desktop rebuild.

The same procedure is valid for Antares Filter (and athers ILoked demos, maybe), and Yes this one is avaliable as VST (plus MAS and RTAS)  :) :D ;D
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #94 on: February 25, 2015, 09:17:27 PM »
sorry for my spotty presence - I'm the guy of the 3 hidden files - well - I have Mac OS 9.2.2 only and it works using that Filebuddy application - I'm gonna try to upload my Plugin files so you guys can try installing those - can't do it right now - anyway what seems different is plug-in files in the DAE folder have some spaces before the name so instead of  "Sony Dynamics" - my plug in file is called "     Sony Dynamics" - so they may be different than what you guys are intalling - I'll try to post them asap.

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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #95 on: February 25, 2015, 10:47:53 PM »
Ahhh... the old 'mystery space' trick!! ;D

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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #96 on: February 26, 2015, 09:08:23 AM »
there are some software products which you actually may not rename because the copy protection scheme requires a certain name. the majot situation are some inits, where the name of the file controls the load order. later versions of the copypaste extension may not be renamed after you registered it - or could be renamed in a certain way in order to run it for free.
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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #97 on: October 01, 2015, 10:54:12 PM »
So what this thread is actually saying is that if you are not a mac power user you wont be able to do this, I don't even know where to find this ---> InterLok Engine 5 or how to install it.  :-[

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Re: Sony Oxford Dynamics
« Reply #98 on: October 03, 2015, 02:13:06 AM »
I think that we do not meet Sanek and Ferridirection way to do.

I think they both have OSX and OS9 on same drive and same partition.

No, I have OS9 and OSX installed on 2 partitions of the same disk.