Time for the true. SATA speed In Mac Os 9.

[refinery]

i would write this guy and ask if he's selling a 3512 or a 3112, as he shows both in his pictures. but they look to have SST EEPROMs which means it should be flashable...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/STLab-A-171-Sil3112-PCI-2-Port-SATA-Card-Raid-Support-NEW/113709887643?epid=22027611330&hash=item1a79a3309b:g:6iUAAOSwVIBcL5Po

[IIO]

This was one of those items that we should have hoarded at the time.

yeah, or the TB-303, of which the last few hundred went for around USD 50 in 1998

[Philgood]

I want a TR-808 for 25 years now but i think now is not a good time to get one neither...

[macStuff]

I want a TR-808 for 25 years now but i think now is not a good time to get one neither...

no - its time to get a behringer RD-808

[refinery]

yeah, or the TB-303, of which the last few hundred went for around USD 50 in 1998

that might have been true in 1988 but by 98 they were in high demand... Roland was already pushing out crap reissues like the MCx0x with "303" sounds. 98 was the year Rebirth dropped and suddenly "everyone" could have that 303 sound.
i couldnt justify spending money on one at that time cuz that was when the virtual analog stuff was really hitting big. why buy a crappy mono with no effects when you could get an access virus? but then Blade came out and that club scene with the dual distorted 303s, and that I think was what really made them take off again.

[Trace-Elliot]

Don't forget that those cheap SIL 3124 PCI Cards don't work in Mac Os 9. It need a EEPROM replacement and reflashing.

I order 2 Cards . Bevor that i set up a flash board . Looks cool

[SDG]

what is in 2019 the best solution ?

I saw SIL 3124 PCI Cards arround 6 Euro including shipping .

Acard , Seritek (Firmtek) and Sonnet Cards are disapered from the marked  ( hope they´re are all not end up at the recykling yard    ).

I need 2 of this Cards ( 2 Channels are enough for me since the SSDs drop thier prices)

As you're in Germany, you need this card.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PCI-2port-SATA-Controller-RAID-0-1-p849/330755970915

Very few of these 2-port SiI3112 cards left but this German seller seems to have a few and isn't greedy with his pricing.

It needs an EEPROM replacement if you want to use OS9 but can then be flashed with the Firmtek SeriTek firmware in a PC and is bootable from MacOS7.6 -10.5.8.  Note, however, that a flashed card won't work with either the Digital Audio or any of the Quicksilvers. They just won't boot if you install the card. If anyone here has a fix for that, please chime in.

If you only want to use OSX a 2 port card with the Sil3512 chip can be flashed in a Mac with the Wiebetech firmware and can be flashed back to PC very easily without any other modification needed.

[IIO]

It needs an EEPROM replacement if you want to use OS9 but can then be flashed with the Firmtek SeriTek firmware in a PC and is bootable from MacOS7.6 -10.5.8.  Note, however, that a flashed card won't work with either the Digital Audio or any of the Quicksilvers. They just won't boot if you install the card.

1. it needs hardware modification 2. it needs to be flashed for mac 3. you need a PC to do that 4. it still wont work in half the G4s ... is there any PRO beside all these cons?

there must be thousands of sonnet card around in germany, why the f*** is nobody selling them?

[Trace-Elliot]

As you're in Germany, you need this card.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PCI-2port-SATA-Controller-RAID-0-1-p849/330755970915

I ordered 2 of this cards and they ship me 2 of the 4 port cards with sil3114 controler .

sil3112 ist soldout i think ..?

[MacTron]

As you're in Germany, you need this card.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PCI-2port-SATA-Controller-RAID-0-1-p849/330755970915

I ordered 2 of this cards and they ship me 2 of the 4 port cards with sil3114 controler .

sil3112 ist soldout i think ..?

No It shouldn't.
Sil3112 it's not enough. The card needs a Mac Os 9 compatible EPROM.

[SDG]

It needs an EEPROM replacement if you want to use OS9 but can then be flashed with the Firmtek SeriTek firmware in a PC and is bootable from MacOS7.6 -10.5.8.  Note, however, that a flashed card won't work with either the Digital Audio or any of the Quicksilvers. They just won't boot if you install the card.

1. it needs hardware modification 2. it needs to be flashed for mac 3. you need a PC to do that 4. it still wont work in half the G4s ... is there any PRO beside all these cons?

there must be thousands of sonnet card around in germany, why the f*** is nobody selling them?

The PRO is that it is a viable option. One of VERY few left. Genuine SeriTek cards hardly ever come up for sale in Europe. I fear most of those have ended up in recycling/landfill along with their PowerMacs as I reckon most SATA card sales went to businesses rather than individuals.

Sucks that the German seller turned out to be a bait and switch merchant. Nothing for it but to open a case and send the 3114 card back and make sure that all postage costs get refunded, just so he changes his listing.

[macStuff]

the highest PEAK read speed i have recorded was 214 MB/s on my Acard 6885M with 2 drives
(and im fairly certain they were not SSD drives, normal sata3 spec drives thread is here: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,2542.0.html)
\ok sorry looks like i used *4* drives to get that result; 4 x non-ssd drives


looks like i only took a photo of it reaching 211

[(S)ATAman]

As you're in Germany, you need this card.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PCI-2port-SATA-Controller-RAID-0-1-p849/330755970915

I ordered 2 of this cards and they ship me 2 of the 4 port cards with sil3114 controler .

sil3112 ist soldout i think ..?

No It shouldn't.
Sil3112 it's not enough. The card needs a Mac Os 9 compatible EPROM.

Nope, even more. All, but genuine SeriTek cards and the factory reference cards directly from SImage have a faulty part on the PCB.
That part will prevent the proper wake-up on some of the G4-s. The G4 will go to sleep - but never wake up, regardless of the O.S.

As far as I recall, the worst was the "Quicksilver" (pre-mirror door) G4. The problem was with PCI timing.

The only good cards working on all involved Macs are the genuine SeriTek and the genuine factory reference cards from SImage.
I don't remember, the later were sold to the general public.

Both SImage 3112 and SImage 3114 are a risky choice, unless from FT or SImage.
I can imagine, some manufacturers discovered that later on.

[(S)ATAman]

Replying to the original topic - "Time for the true. SATA speed In Mac Os 9."

It's time, the problem is the absolute lack of the proper hardware. Nothing changed in last 20 years. I had the same problem back in 1999.

[the_m-pire]

Those are the results in MB/sec:

What tool did you use to test? Above someone posted a screenshot of Atto software.
I started with an IDE to CF Card Adapter and was blown away from OS 9.2 on my MDD. Today I installed an Acard 6880 with a SSD and it’s even way faster. MacBench 5 reported an index of 5328 for my CF Card and a score above 11000 for the Acard + SSD setup. I really like to relate to your benchmarks by using the same tools to measure. Many thanks in advance!

[macStuff]

i still dont understand why mactrons graph sums the two R+W speeds to one bar..
in my opinion the bars should be seperate, starting from the left border (0 mark)
not summed together and combined to one bar; the whole point of a graph is for the visualization of the data
and this visualization doesnt make sense

[MacTron]

What tool did you use to test?

I have used QuickBench 1.5

[smilesdavis]

i got a ATTO ExpressPCI UL3D for use with Pro Tools Mixcube on Os9.
should i get seagate cheetah 10k SCSI?
or are the SCSI2SD faster/do they work at all with pro tools 5 os9?

[robespierre]

SCSI2SD is relatively slow, and its writes are slower than reads.
The cheaper (but still $62!) V5.2 version only supports asynchronous SCSI, so speed is limited to 1-2 MB/s. The $100 V6 supports synchronous transfers at 10 MB/s, but you're lucky if write speeds are half of that. And both are out of stock from the vendor, so unless you like price gouging at $200 and up you're out of luck.

A Cheetah 10K on Ultra160 can read and write around 75 MB/s, no contest.

[smilesdavis]

i got a ul3d im gonna get cheetas then