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What is your favorite sampler and why!

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Protools5LEGuy:
For me the best should be EXS24 for the number of voicesvsCPU wasted, but the own libraries coming from Kontakt and for SampleTank make me choose them too.

Knezzen:
EXS24! :)

MacTron:
The worst scenario I've found using a sampler is to writing syphonic & choirs music, where a lot of instruments and articulations are needed. The CPU and RAM of the best Mac Os 9 computer easily are maxed out.
With other music genres, all of the above samplers can do the job.

I have never tried MachFive, but based on others UVI engine ROMplers, probably is a very good sampler ...

The couple of Kontakt/Kompakt is far away from the others samplers I know. The conditionals layers and independent groups, allow Round Robin percussion, Key Switch articulations and to edit and modding different parts of an instrument independent of each others parts. The powerful  effects unit that include a advanced capabilities of modulation and filtering, even a  parametric equalization...
Some of the sampler parameter can be controlled by discrete curves. And the ability of importing a lot of format including Halion, EXS, GIG etc... and launch an instrument just selecting it from a menu list... etc...

Halion is my next choice. Even though is less capable than Kontakt/Kompakt, it is real winner in hard conditions thanks to its Direct from disk technology and low CPU requirements.

I don't like any Propellerheads software at all, so nothing about NN-19 or NN-XT.

And In my opinion EXS just can do the job if it is simple... and Sampletank is just a toy.

Protools5LEGuy:

--- Quote from: MacTron on November 05, 2014, 07:47:24 AM ---The couple of Kontakt/Kompakt is far away from the others samplers I know.
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And the ability of importing a lot of format including Halion, EXS, GIG etc... and launch an instrument just selecting it from a menu list... etc...

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Yes, Kontakt seem as the more powerful format'wise, and it seem the one that have more advances libraries dedicated to it, but also seems as the more CPU cycles eater...

But for me Kontatk is far superior only after the 3/4 versions (OSX). The sampletank library offers are superior to Halion in "This library is for sampletank", "this is for EXS" "This is for @@@

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh5spZrzu6c

On 1:45:10 the OS9hater/NeXTfanboy presents Gerhard Lengeling, cofounder of eMagic(Apple company at that time) and he talks at 1:46:10 that the sampler from Logic (EXS24) is able to play more than 1000 24 bits stereo voices(poliphony ?) on a G5, and this fact took me to the question: Would a high end G4 at least be able to play 250 stereo voices? I guess they can, but only with EXS24...

Why I said 250 instead of 500 or 1000? I think the 64 bits of the G5  vs the 32 bit G4 is the reason to say half, and the clock speed, combined with the bus speed/memory bandwidth . So lets stick to 250 voices g4'able.

Offtopic: See a tune from BT on CubasePCvsLogicG5 at 1:50:12

Other question is, given a particular soundfont/AKAY/refill, what is the sampler that consumes less cpu cycles. There I think EXS24/EXSP24 is the winner.

Diehard is a HALion lover, MacTron an KonTakt lover and Knezzen is a EXS24 lover. Can any of you prove that with a given "universal" soundfont/Akay yours is superior?

MacTron:

--- Quote from: Protools5LEGuy on November 05, 2014, 08:43:09 AM ---
Yes, Kontakt seem as the more powerful format'wise, and it seem the one that have more advances libraries dedicated to it, but also seems as the more CPU cycles eater...

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Yes it is, But the Kompakt is "twice fast" and have the same Kontakt engine and advanced capabilities, just less edition interface...


--- Quote ---But for me Kontatk is far superior only after the 3/4 versions (OSX).

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No at all. Kompakt/kontakt is far superior in Mac Os 9 versions already. Just Halion can be compared thanks to his DFD and CPU usage.


--- Quote --- The sampletank library offers are superior to Halion in "This library is for sampletank", "this is for EXS" "This is for @@@

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The best libraries are for Kompakt/Kontakt. I newer know a good library for Sampletank. If you know any good Symphonic, Choir,Battery, Horns, Guitars library for it, just let me know :)


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On 1:45:10 the OS9hater/NeXTfanboy presents Gerhard Lengeling, cofounder of eMagic(Apple company at that time) and he talks at 1:46:10 that the sampler from Logic (EXS24) is able to play more than 1000 24 bits stereo voices(poliphony ?) on a G5, and this fact took me to the question: Would a high end G4 at least be able to play 250 stereo voices? I guess they can, but only with EXS24...

Why I said 250 instead of 500 or 1000? I think the 64 bits of the G5  vs the 32 bit G4 is the reason to say half, and the clock speed, combined with the bus speed/memory bandwidth . So lets stick to 250 voices g4'able.

Offtopic: See a tune from BT on CubasePCvsLogicG5 at 1:50:12

Other question is, given a particular soundfont/AKAY/refill, what is the sampler that consumes less cpu cycles. There I think EXS24/EXSP24 is the winner.

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This is more complex than measuring poliphony alone. We can have a very amount of polyphony even with the worst sampler, just playing a simple "beep". LOL

The main thing is the relationship between polyphony and the amount of instruments, ie CPU and RAM (and DFD).


--- Quote ---Diehard is a HALion lover, MacTron an KonTakt lover and Knezzen is a EXS24 lover. Can any of you prove that with a given "universal" soundfont/Akay yours is superior?

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This happens a lot around here... LOL
I have done this test already with VSL in gigasampler format. I've posted the results:


--- Quote from: MacTron on November 03, 2014, 09:21:45 AM ---...
The first option will be Logic with EXS24 but we have to left it aside due Logic (and EXS24) bad RAM management. Running the EXSP24 as a VST in Cubase 5 led to a even worst results: Cubase "automatically" eats all the System RAM until the whole system crash...

With Kontakt 1.5 as a VST in Cubase the things go better. But even this being the more powerful Sampler you can run on Mac Os 9, it takes a lot of CPU and this limits the poliphony to a unuseful level...

His "little" broder Kompakt became a real solution for this library. It is faster(near to double) than Kontakt, ...but the things torn bad when we need to use the sample instruments played directly from Hard Disk (DFD) We lost over 25% of poliphony in the better escenario...

The real winer is Halion 2: Around double poliphony than Kompakt an a real working Direct From Disk technnology let us sweat untill we reach his limits!

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I'll put an theoric example: In the same MDD 1.5 Gb RAM :
All Instruments are 100 Mb each:

Logic plus EXS:
7 instruments with 200 notes of polyphony.

Cubase plus Kontakt:
14 instruments with 100 notes of polyphony.

Cubase plus Halion:
24 instruments with 200 notes of polyphony.

This is why Halion is the winner. And the second is Kompakt. And about EXS, 200 notes of polyphony are useless with just 7 instruments.

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