CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1

[supernova777]

The MDD (FW400) has an install DVD called Powermac G4 and comes with
system 10.2.6 and the general install of OS9 (ROM 10.2.1)

The MDD (FW800) has a similar DVD called Powermac G4 and comes with
system 10.2.4 and the classic install of OS9 (ROM 9.7.1) I think. I'll check
- yes it is.

it makes no sense that a fw800 model has a rom with a lower version then a
fw400 model..  unless the 'fw400' model u are speaking of is actually the 2003 1.25ghz mdd
this is the only mac that was released after the fw800.. being released June 23, 2003, 6 months
after the fw800 models, which were released January 28, 2003
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=389.0

so is this 10.2.1 rom, from the discs that came with the 2003 mdd? it must be?
but yet.. ive never seen anyone post this disc.. ever. anywhere

does anyone here have the restore/install disc for the 1.25 2003 mdd?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2714459?tstart=0
this thread seems to be about finding these discs

[Jakl]

This came with my dual MDD FW400 in May 2003.

The two disks photos are attached, the name of the
jpegs are the computers they came with.

I have tried copying and using a copy but it has never
worked.

[supernova777]

how did u try to copy them?
using what apps?

[Jakl]

from disk utility to toast, even cd-copy with the toast dvd extension and
many more apps but nothing has worked successfully for me, maybe
someone else may have been successful.

[supernova777]

that really sucks because id really like to get a copy of either one of those discs...
preferably the 10.2.6 /w aht 2.0.2

i wonder why it came with both 10.2.4 + 10.2.6

after restoring from these discs.. is the mac os rom 10.2.1?

[Jakl]

As I said each DVD install is for a different computer.
the 10.2.4 is for a MDD FW800 and the 10.2.6 is for
a MDD FW400 - two different computers.

The jpegs are named with the model computer it came for.
I will place here what I had previously explained to answer your
last question.

The MDD (FW400) has an install DVD called Powermac G4 and comes with
system 10.2.6 and the general install of OS9 (ROM 10.2.1)

The MDD (FW800) has a similar DVD called Powermac G4 and comes with
system 10.2.4 and the classic install of OS9 (ROM 9.7.1) I think. I'll check
- yes it is.

[MacTron]

The first MDD series (FW400) comes with Mac OS 9.2.2 (ROM 9.7.1), about the second MDD series (FW800) I have no idea...  The third MDD series (2003) (FW400) comes with Mac OS 9.2.2 (ROM 10.2.1)

that really sucks because id really like to get a copy of either one of those discs...
preferably the 10.2.6 /w aht 2.0.2

i wonder why it came with both 10.2.4 + 10.2.6

after restoring from these discs.. is the mac os rom 10.2.1?

Why? ... (just curious)

[MacTron]

im sure mactron has a similar folder.. maybe he can share his? so we can compare

This is what I have:

Mac OS ROM 8.8.1
Mac OS ROM 10.2.1
Mac OS ROM  10.1.1
Mac OS ROM  10.2.1
Mac OS ROM  9.1.1 *
Mac OS ROM 1.8.1
Mac OS ROM 2.0.2
Mac OS ROM 2.3.1
Mac OS ROM 2.5.1
Mac OS ROM 3.0
Mac OS ROM 3.7
Mac OS ROM 6.1
Mac OS ROM 7.5.1
Mac OS ROM 8.4
Mac OS ROM 8.6.1
Mac OS ROM 9.7.1
Mac OS ROM 9.8.1 Custer
Mac OS ROM 9.5.1

I'm uploading it to my FTP folder...

[MacTron]

from disk utility to toast, even cd-copy with the toast dvd extension and
many more apps but nothing has worked successfully for me, maybe
someone else may have been successful.

Why it can't work? ... what's the problem you found?

[Jakl]

It will always ask for the disks mentioned with the
marks on the right side of the disk(2 circles) - if it
is a copy of the DVD it seems not to have these marks,
don't know how or why?

[supernova777]

i have been in contact with adam from oakbog.com and he says he has the discs and will make a copy for me. Thanks for telling me which version to look for.
I still have no idea how u could not be able to copy a dvd properly.. but then again.. when u tried to upload the some other discs they also didnt work.. so perhaps
theres some error you are making repeatedly..... seems strange.

maybe this has something to do with the "regional" copyright stuff that i posted about earlier.. using american media in Australia? i dont understand how all of that works
and i wasnt aware of it before.. but maybe thats the reason why..

i have asked him to confirm whether or not hes able to copy the disc + confirm that the copied disc works.. so i will post more once i hear back from him i guess

[supernova777]

This is what I have:

I'm uploading it to my FTP folder...

unfortunately u didnt list where the mac os roms were taken/sourced from.. 

[supernova777]

ok the guys gotten back to me and he says his copy is a copy itself so there should be no reason why u cant make an image of the dvd Jakl.

[MacTron]

I still have no idea how u could not be able to copy a dvd properly.. but then again.. when u tried to upload the some other discs they also didnt work.. so perhaps
theres some error you are making repeatedly..... seems strange.

maybe this has something to do with the "regional" copyright stuff that i posted about earlier.. using american media in Australia? i dont understand how all of that works

Not at all. This is only applicable on DVD "commercial movie" format.

In my opinion, the Jakl system problems nothing has to do with the Mac Os Rom version ...

unfortunately u didnt list where the mac os roms were taken/sourced from.. 

Because is irrelevant for me. Only Mac OS ROM 2.5.1 (for 8.6) and 10.2.1 (for 9.2) are important.

[MacTron]

Even though, I only recommend Mac Os 9.2.2 and Mac Os ROM 10.2.1 (in the supported computers), This is the official Apple list, for archiving purposes and if someone wish to experiment:


The chart below matches the applicable Mac OS ROM file to the applicable Mac OS.

Mac OS	Mac OS ROM Version
Mac OS 8.1 (iMac, Rev A Bundle)	1.1
iMac Update 1.0	1.1.2
Mac OS 8.5 (Retail CD)	1.1.2
Mac OS 8.5 (iMac, Rev B Bundle)	1.1.5
Power Macintosh G3 (Blue and White) Mac OS 8.5.1 Bundle	1.2
Macintosh Server G3 (Blue and White) Mac OS 8.5.1 Bundle	1.2
iMac Update 1.1	1.2.1
Mac OS 8.5.1 (Colors iMac 266 MHz Bundle)	1.2.1
Mac OS 8.6 (Retail CD)	1.4
Mac OS 8.6 (Colors iMac 333 MHz Bundle)	1.4
Power Macintosh G3 (Blue and White) Mac OS 8.6 Bundle	1.4
Macintosh PowerBook G3 Series 8.6 Bundle	1.6
Mac OS ROM Update 1.0	1.6
Mac OS 8.6 bundled on Power Mac G4 (PCI)	1.7.1
Power Mac G4 ROM 1.8.1 Update	1.8.1
Mac OS 8.6 bundled on iMac (Slot Loading)	2.3.1
Mac OS 8.6 bundled on iBook	2.3.1
Mac OS 8.6 bundled on Power Mac G4 (AGP)	2.5.1
Mac OS 9.0 bundled on iBook	3.1.1
Mac OS 9.0 bundled on Power Mac G4 (AGP Graphics)/ iMac (Slot-Loading)	3.1.1
Mac OS 9.0 bundled on PowerBook G3 Bronze	3.0
Retail Mac OS 9.0 installed on iMac	3.0
Retail Mac OS 9.0 installed on Power Macintosh G3 (Blue and White)	3.0
Mac OS 9.0.2 bundled on Power Mac G4 (AGP) and iBook	3.5
Mac OS 9.0.2 installed on PowerBook (FireWire)	3.5
Mac OS 9.0.3 bundled on iMac (Slot Loading)	3.6
Mac OS 9.0.4 Retail/Software Update	3.7
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on PowerBook (FireWire) (Summer 2000) (CPU software 2.4)	3.7
Ethernet Update 1.0	3.8
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on iMac (Summer 2000)	4.6.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on Power Mac G4 (Summer 2000)	4.6.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on Power Mac G4 MP (Summer 2000) (CPU software 2.3)	4.9.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on Power Mac G4 (Gigabit Ethernet)	4.9.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on Power Mac G4 Cube (CPU software 2.4)	5.2.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on iBook (Summer 2000) (CPU software 2.5)	5.3.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on Power Mac G4 (with Radeon) (CPU software 2.6)	5.5.1
Mac OS 9.1 installed on iMac (Early 2001)	7.5.1
Mac OS 9.1 installed on iMac (Summer 2001)	7.5.1
Mac OS 9.1 installed on Power Mac G4 (Digital Audio)	6.7.1
Mac OS 9.1 Update	6.1
Mac OS 9.2 installed on iMac (Summer 2001)	8.3.1
Mac OS 9.2 installed on Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver)	8.3.1
Mac OS 9.2.1 Update	8.4
Mac OS 9.2.1 installed on Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver)	8.4
Mac OS 9.2.2 Update	8.7
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on iMac (Summer 2001)	9.0.1
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on iMac (Flat Panel)	9.0.1
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on eMac	9.2.1
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver 2002)	9.0.1
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on PowerBook G4 (12-inch)	Classic only. Cannot start up in Mac OS 9.
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on PowerBook G4 (17-inch)	Classic only. Cannot start up in Mac OS 9.
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on Power Mac G4 (FW 800)	Classic only. Cannot start up in Mac OS 9.
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on iMac (17-inch Flat Panel)	9.5.1
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on iMac (17-inch 1GHz)	Classic only. Cannot start up in Mac OS 9.
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on iMac (USB 2.0)	Classic only. Cannot start up in Mac OS 9.

[supernova777]

beautiful!   

[supernova777]

ive just restored + confirmed that the dvd for my mdd 2003 1.25ghz comes with mac os rom 10.1.1
(dvd contained 10.2.6 + mac os 9.2.2, same dvd that Jakl claimed he could not copy... )



jakl claimed this disc installed 10.2.1 rom, but that is not what i got after installing i have 10.1.1 rom.
not sure if he has a slightly updated disc, or if he made a mistake? was 10.2.6 the final jaguar update?
nope...



i suppose its possible that they updated from mac os rom 10.1.1 to 10.2.1 sometime during may-september 2003, or perhaps the disc jakl has, if it indeed has 10.2.1, came out after september, and they just didnt bother to update the version of os x on the updated disc?

[DieHard]

jakl claimed this disc installed 10.2.1 rom, but that is not what i got after installing i have 10.1.1 rom.
not sure if he has a slightly updated disc, or if he made a mistake? was 10.2.6 the final jaguar update?
nope...

Chris, I don't know what disk set you acquired, but Jakl did not make a mistake; remember, The "OS9 Fresh drag install" I created was from an initial install of the Set that came with the MDD 2003 and the ROM version is definitely 10.2.1.  I have about 15 original disk sets that came straight from the box (all from 2003 MDD Single 1.25) and they all match exactly and extract a ROM version 10.2.1.

OS 9.2.2 and Mac OS X 10.3.2

I will look at my Sets for 2003 MDD tomorrow... but here I think they match this (even Though they are Single CPU Models)

My MDD DP 1.25 2003 shipped new with 10.3.2 on it. AHT version 2.0.2. Is this the part number, 691-4872-A? That's the only thing on it that looks like a part number. The second disk has 2Z691-4873-A on it.

This thread explains some differences in the sets that shipped with the MDD 2003, but they are baffled also

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2714459?tstart=0

Lastly, this list (although obviously never updated) indicates that your set originally shipped with 2002 MDDs, but your disk has "2003" printed on it, So I can only guess they reprinted the 2002 set in early 2003 and then later replaced it with a newer set (9.2.2 and 10.3.2) in later 2003
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT2191

[supernova777]

i was given a disc image from adam rosen from oakbog technology (http://www.vintagemacmuseum.com/)
its a 3gb dvd that is bootable + installable, it installs jaguar 10.2.6

theres a link to us on his page: http://vintagemacmuseum.com/resources/mac-software/

i can only guess that there was a few versions of the same 10.2.6 .. i guess the rom was updated sometime during 2003 from 10.1.1 to 10.2.1 and that the disc i have acquired is the former version

i just tried to verify if there were any other macs that came with 10.2.6
http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-sort/
10.2.6 isnt even listed on everymac.com's mac sort under "original mac os "

[Jakl]

Chris the install CD/DVD's were all progressive installs depending on the
system available when the computers were released. Another method
for Apple to keep all new computers using the most current operating
system without any backward compatibility with lower system versions I guess.

Anyway the DVD that I received with my MDD in 2003 was the one in the photo
I put up in a previous post. It was  special order at the time - I acquired a MDD
with dual 1.25 instead of a single 1.25, so I am not sure whether the DVD I
received was a special order as well. I hope that settles the install DVD story.

Now for the reason behind this post - acquired a powerbook titanium 667mhz
a couple of days a go - installked the general install with macos ROM 10.2.1
and installed a few apps - to my surprise CD-Copy worked!! WEIRD. Anyway
back to the drawing board - more tests to do. May take a while busy till X-mas.