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CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« on: October 13, 2014, 04:32:43 AM »
Does anyone still use CD-Copy at all?

I have never recalled this happening before but on my
fw800 MDD which I changed the openfirmware so it booted
os9 - after installing 10.2.1 and all other apps I have found
that CD-copy does not work as it should. Not sure why?
So I took an old ibook G3 with the same ROM from the
MDD general install 10.2.1 and guess what no go again - CD-copy
not working as it should.

Reinstalled a backup of ibook g3 HD with a macos ROM of 9.7.1
and guess what CD-Copy 2.0.3e worked fine again. The ibook
G3 only has a Cd-r in it - by the way.

So some of the older apps do not work well in the newer MDD
macos9 version. There are some strange happenings in the newer
versions versus the older versions. Maybe it was also about the time
when Apple took over Astarte too - the authors of many video-DVD apps etc
and stopped supporting their older apps.

Only needed to use cd-copy for backing up some older scratched akai disks
on macos9.

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2014, 04:40:13 AM »
i really believe that using this 10.2.1 rom on machines other then mdd is not right.
i have said on other threads how happy i am that my b&W g3 + sawtooth machines
seem to be functioning better now that i have the original installs..
perhaps.. as u have seen here, the real important thing is just the rom,
and that i could have just implanted mac os rom 2.5.1 (on sawtooth) and fixed all my issues
with just that one file..

the rom on my B&W is mac os rom 1.6.

it would be interesting to compaer the file size of the "retail" + "universal" cd installers 'mac os rom'
to see if this rom is like 3-4x the size of any other normal rom, the idea being that it really contains multiple
copies of roms inside... (for different types of machines) or to check if the file size is small, to see if it
has one "universal rom" that was coded this way by apple.

as i posted in another thread already, i was reading that the mac os rom really is a "File within a file"
and that the "mac os rom" file is actually just a script.. but embedded deeper within the file
is the actual rom that would have resided on a microchip on teh motherboard in the "old world rom" macs

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2014, 04:42:50 AM »
mac os rom 9.7.1

is this not the rom from the "mac os 9.0" retail cd?

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2014, 05:18:52 AM »
Only needed to use cd-copy for backing up some older scratched akai disks
on macos9.

if you really want to use macos9 for that, then use toast. yes i know, it feels different than using a program which can only clone, but it works as well once you know which button to press. :)

good find about the ROM trouble, however. we really need to learn more about this: why and when it is not possible to use the latest OS9 versus the most possible machine specific.
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2014, 05:58:05 AM »
the sunrise page mentioned that apple was removing support for g3s when they were developing os 9.2 and higher with support only for the quicksilvers + MDDs truly in mind.........

http://www.sunrisepage.com/computers/macclassic/macos9.htm

from 9.2 time going forward they
were really focused on stability + coexisting of dual boot systems
so they started breaking things by changing them to make them work 'better' with X?
it wouldnt be the first time in software development history that changing something for the better in
one area.. actually breaks + has negative efects on something in another area.. "oops!!!!"

-OR- perhaps these systems actually NEED an mac os x install and there are some shared
files + libraries?? i mean when u do a restore on a qs from 2002. it installs 9.22 + 10.1.3
(a funny looking horrible version of osx! LOL)
maybe deleting the X install somehow can negatively affect the 9.22 install..
they both install TO THE SAME DRIVE
but thats  just a thought -- who knows..

id rather sidestep the issues completely
my decision based on all the information that i've read
as well as my own personal experience....
i will only run os 9.2+ on 2002+ macs http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_year/macs-released-in-2002.html
(arjen + i both agree our qs runs better with 9.0.1 mac os rom, even when i laughed at him the first time he said this! LOL)

for older systems with lower cpu... ill run os 8.6 or 9.0.. or 9.1 at the most..
9.1 because at least with 9.1 u know its 100% osx free,.

think of all the manpower that was devoted to mac os X ..
they were working around teh clock on this thing from what i read
its not a crazy thought to theorize they kind of ignored os9..
i mean.. they knew they were going to kill it off..
it was already decided..
they didnt give anyone a say in the matter..
they had the public funeral planned ..
steve jobs prob had this in mind since the moment he got back in the door
he must have secretly hated the classic mac os enough to murder it :D


« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 06:12:02 AM by chrisNova777 »

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2014, 07:35:20 AM »
I have had the same install of Mac Os 9.2.2 and Mac Os ROM 10.2.1 for years in MDD's, Sawtooth (7400 and 7448) and iMacs (G3 and G4) and NEVER EVER have any kind of problem with this.
Nor the "benefits" of a "machine specific version", from Mac Os System 6 era to today, although I have had a huge variety of Macs.
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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2014, 07:56:45 AM »
 
the more reports we get the more i believe it is true. but maybe he just forgot to install some extension for this app. :)
 
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
- DieHard, random forum troll at macos9lives.com

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2014, 08:14:38 AM »
I have had the same install of Mac Os 9.2.2 and Mac Os ROM 10.2.1 for years in MDD's, Sawtooth (7400 and 7448) and iMacs (G3 and G4) and NEVER EVER have any kind of problem with this.
Nor the "benefits" of a "machine specific version", from Mac Os System 6 era to today, although I have had a huge variety of Macs.

havent u said before tho - that u use highly customized mixed systems? and you remove all the extensions + parts u dont use..
perhaps u dont have a problem because you dont try to use things that may have a problem? (such as cd copy)
maybe u are just really lucky;)

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2014, 08:33:29 AM »
havent u said before tho - that u use highly customized mixed systems? and you remove all the extensions + parts u dont use..

Yes it is.
My installed Mac Os 9, always contains System and Finder 9.2.2 plus Mac Os ROM 10.2.1. The remaining parts of the system files (extensions and control panels) come mostly from MDD CPU 5.9 software but in some cases I had to versions downgrade, up to Mac Os 8.6. That's why my systems are mixed. That's why I always recommend Mac Os 9.2.2 CPU 5.9 (from the MDD) for any G4, even if you don't do the version downgrade.

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perhaps u dont have a problem because you dont try to use things that may have a problem? (such as cd copy)
maybe u are just really lucky;)

Yes, I haven't tested all the Mac Os "classic" software...
 -afro-... but almost ...  -afro-

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2014, 10:00:27 AM »
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1173.msg4583#msg4583

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10.2.1 from Classic installation included in OSX 10.4 Install Disc Set

is this where this 10.2.1 rom is really from?

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2014, 06:40:50 PM »
The MDD (FW400) has an install DVD called Powermac G4 and comes with
system 10.2.6 and the general install of OS9 (ROM 10.2.1)

The MDD (FW800) has a similar DVD called Powermac G4 and comes with
system 10.2.4 and the classic install of OS9 (ROM 9.7.1) I think. I'll check
- yes it is.

The ibook G3 that I mentioned already had a working OS9 and OSX working
system so I assumed it was installed from proper discs - so don't really know
whether it was the ibook original system or not? All I know is that it has ROM
9.7.1 and it works very well with CD-Copy 2.0.3e, which is all I need at the
moment.



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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2014, 04:05:35 AM »

OS9 is "classic", OS7 is "retro".
"It is true that the "pre-emptive multitasking" advantage present in OS X can be illustrated by downloading CD-ROM ISOs and rendering chaos theory formulas while simultaneously instant messaging and posting on FaceBook what you ate... but in reality, what did you create?"
- DieHard, random forum troll at macos9lives.com

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2014, 07:18:01 PM »
I now have tested CD-Copy 2.0.3e on a few machines now;

Originally when using CD-Copy as soon as you start application
it ejects all drives and uses its CD driver. - to ensure disk can be
mounted in the app. window. With MACOS ROM 10.2.1 this doesn't
happen - the disks don't eject for starters and sometimes are not
even read.
With MACOS 9 ROMS such 9.7.1 or 9.6 etc. the disk ejects as normal
and is mounted in the CD-Copy app window.

Quicksilver 933mhz - with 10.2.1 not working as normal
Quicksilver 800mhz - with 10.2.1 not working as normal
Powermac G4 450mhz AGP - with 10.2.1 not working as normal

However with other lower MACOS ROMS they all work with CD-Copy
as normal - ie 9.7.1

So yes version of MACOS ROM 10.2.1 has broken CD-Copy ability
to load and mount in the CD-Copy Application copyrighted CD's.

I think this is very important because "Astarte" maker of Toast and CD-Copy
and the original Software that apple bought off them to make many of their
Final Cut Pro Suite (Astarte Mpeg stuff) etc. had very stable and functional software
- this would suggest that older software written for G4's before the MDD's
may perform better with their own version of the MACOS ROM where some the
software specific subroutines were written for the MACOS9 ROM and not for the
MACOS10.2.1 ROM.

Anyway if anyone has a better understanding feel free to clarify.

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2014, 07:22:34 PM »
thats just another symptom, dont forget the wierd pauses + delays with finder accessing files..
the simplest conclusion:
mac os rom 10.2.1 was never intended to be used on those machines
and must include code specifically related to the mdd's very different hardware
or perhaps any machine that uses DDR RAM (+ also ATA 100?)

xserve g4s, powerbook g4's, mac mini g4s, emac g4s, imac g4's & ibook g4s
they all use DDR RAM.. do they all use ATA-100 aswell? i think so.

perhaps 10.2.1 mac os rom should only be used on g4 macs from late 2002-2005

i think it must be very much related to the communication to the  ATA-100 disk controller vs ATA-66,ATA-33

it would be interesting to test a Sata CD/DVD drive connected to a sata150 pci card with mac os rom 10.2.1


« Last Edit: October 26, 2014, 07:34:06 PM by chrisNova777 »

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2014, 10:40:46 PM »
Maybe it would be better to find the last version of MACOS9 ROM
to work with CD-Copy on machines before the MDD so that we can
find a good reliable MACOS9 ROM for machines pre-2002 before the MDD
and the like were released.
My bet would be the classic install of the Powermac G4 FW800 MDD
Classic environment(9.7.1). I don't know but I'm sure some of the other experts
here may know better about which ROM would be best.

Maybe we can all give it a go and see if it works with CD-Copy 2.0.3e
on all our machines before the MDD. Or it may even be better to get
a hold of the specific ROMS of all diff machines from B&W G3 to the
Quicksilver themselves.

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2014, 10:59:56 PM »
hmm,  the final rom thats still appropriate for all SDRAM/ATA-66 powermac g3/g4's

wasnt there a mac os 9.2 retail cd?



it looks like it may be the one from 9.2 (not 9.2.1 or 9.2.2 but simply 9.2)
from june, 2001
according to my timeline post: http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=389.0
the macs that shipped directly after 9.2 was released:
Power Macintosh G4 733 (Quicksilver) 9.2
Power Macintosh G4 867 (Quicksilver) 9.2
Power Macintosh G4 800 DP (Quicksilver) 9.2
not sure which rom versions those guys shipped with..
but the 2002 qs 933 has rom 9.0.1 we know that much..

maybe the restore discs on the macintosh garden for the quicksilver are for the 2001 quicksilvers..
if the 9.7.1 rom came with the fw800 mdd, thats not what u wanna use on a pre-mdd mac
(if this theory is even accurate in the end)

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-system-922-1021-power-macintosh-g4-mirrored-drive-doors-mdd#Universal_Retail_version_and_Updates
this page lists a universal retail version of 9.2.1

if u click the link for the 9.22 update it brings up a media fire page
https://www.mediafire.com/?64da0g3iih922
upon clicking "other languages" it seems this guy has done a great job here!

Brazilian Portuguese, Chinese Simplified, Chinese Traditional, Danish, Finnish, French, German, Intl. English, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Norwegian, Spansih, Swedish

each one contains: 9.1, 9.2.1, 9.2.2 updates i guess to apply to an existing install from the 9.0 retail cd
« Last Edit: October 26, 2014, 11:35:03 PM by chrisNova777 »

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2014, 11:11:48 PM »
heres a screen grab of the directory archive that i had begun to create
keeping track of which rom originated where..



so if its correct, the 9.2.1 retail cd came with 8.4 - or at least thats the version of the rom that it installed
when i used it on whatever specific machine i used it on... perhaps this retail cd implements a different rom
when used on different machines.. its possible?

also, perhaps the rom version would be updated by installing the 9.22 update on the 9.2.1 retail cd
i think whatever it is, it should be somewhat close to the qs 933 9.0.1 rom

the 9.6.1 rom i believe i found by looking at the mdd restore disc from 2002.

the retail cd 9.2.1 appears to have come out just after the release of the qs's from summer 2001..
because they only shipped with 9.2 not 9.21

but i cant seem to find any images of any commercial cd with 9.2.1 on it..
did this cd exist? or was it some hackjob cd that i downloaded made by someone else..
im not sure of this.. Was there ever a 9.2 mac retail disc? i think there might not have been...
then again in my list here i also have 9.1 version listed and again i cant find any image of this cd
on google aswell..

im sure mactron has a similar folder.. maybe he can share his? so we can compare ;D
« Last Edit: October 26, 2014, 11:27:23 PM by chrisNova777 »

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2014, 11:14:17 PM »
Are there any write ups on higher version ROMS like the changes column you have
in the table? eg ROM versions 9.5 - 9.6 - 9.7.1

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2014, 01:29:25 AM »
Are there any write ups on higher version ROMS like the changes column you have
in the table? eg ROM versions 9.5 - 9.6 - 9.7.1

that is the public document on wikipedia.. its updated by anyone who can add information to the public record.
as for the file tree.. thats just my directory where i have copied a copy of each mac os rom.. to keep track of them.. + try to get an overview on which one is from which source..  i havent got any past the ones listed
9.6.1 is the highest i got, (other than 10.2.1 of course, which i havent added to that collection yet)

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Re: Retail CD
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2014, 08:18:47 AM »
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wasnt there a mac os 9.2 retail cd

I have a few 9.2 Factory CDs (One I posted for the last rev of the Powerbook G4 Titanium)...

I have NEVER seen a boxed retail 9.2.2 CD Universal CD and I strongly doubt one exists; please let me know if I am wrong and if anyone has a copy of this unknown CD, we need to post it

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2014, 04:48:10 PM »
The MDD (FW400) has an install DVD called Powermac G4 and comes with
system 10.2.6 and the general install of OS9 (ROM 10.2.1)

The MDD (FW800) has a similar DVD called Powermac G4 and comes with
system 10.2.4 and the classic install of OS9 (ROM 9.7.1) I think. I'll check
- yes it is.


it makes no sense that a fw800 model has a rom with a lower version then a
fw400 model..  unless the 'fw400' model u are speaking of is actually the 2003 1.25ghz mdd
this is the only mac that was released after the fw800.. being released June 23, 2003, 6 months
after the fw800 models, which were released January 28, 2003
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=389.0

so is this 10.2.1 rom, from the discs that came with the 2003 mdd? it must be?
but yet.. ive never seen anyone post this disc.. ever. anywhere

does anyone here have the restore/install disc for the 1.25 2003 mdd??????????
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2714459?tstart=0
this thread seems to be about finding these discs
« Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 07:32:57 PM by chrisNova777 »

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2014, 01:18:54 AM »
This came with my dual MDD FW400 in May 2003.

The two disks photos are attached, the name of the
jpegs are the computers they came with.

I have tried copying and using a copy but it has never
worked.




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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2014, 02:37:09 AM »


how did u try to copy them?
using what apps?
« Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 08:02:07 AM by DieHard »

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2014, 03:21:34 AM »
from disk utility to toast, even cd-copy with the toast dvd extension and
many more apps but nothing has worked successfully for me, maybe
someone else may have been successful.


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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2014, 03:32:06 AM »
that really sucks because id really like to get a copy of either one of those discs...
preferably the 10.2.6 /w aht 2.0.2

i wonder why it came with both 10.2.4 + 10.2.6

after restoring from these discs.. is the mac os rom 10.2.1?
« Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 04:19:18 AM by chrisNova777 »

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2014, 11:10:48 AM »
As I said each DVD install is for a different computer.
the 10.2.4 is for a MDD FW800 and the 10.2.6 is for
a MDD FW400 - two different computers.

The jpegs are named with the model computer it came for.
I will place here what I had previously explained to answer your
last question.

The MDD (FW400) has an install DVD called Powermac G4 and comes with
system 10.2.6 and the general install of OS9 (ROM 10.2.1)

The MDD (FW800) has a similar DVD called Powermac G4 and comes with
system 10.2.4 and the classic install of OS9 (ROM 9.7.1) I think. I'll check
- yes it is.



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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2014, 01:00:30 PM »
The first MDD series (FW400) comes with Mac OS 9.2.2 (ROM 9.7.1), about the second MDD series (FW800) I have no idea...  The third MDD series (2003) (FW400) comes with Mac OS 9.2.2 (ROM 10.2.1)

that really sucks because id really like to get a copy of either one of those discs...
preferably the 10.2.6 /w aht 2.0.2

i wonder why it came with both 10.2.4 + 10.2.6

after restoring from these discs.. is the mac os rom 10.2.1?

Why? ... (just curious)
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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2014, 01:10:53 PM »
im sure mactron has a similar folder.. maybe he can share his? so we can compare ;D
This is what I have:

Mac OS ROM 8.8.1
Mac OS ROM 10.2.1
Mac OS ROM  10.1.1
Mac OS ROM  10.2.1
Mac OS ROM  9.1.1 *
Mac OS ROM 1.8.1
Mac OS ROM 2.0.2
Mac OS ROM 2.3.1
Mac OS ROM 2.5.1
Mac OS ROM 3.0
Mac OS ROM 3.7
Mac OS ROM 6.1
Mac OS ROM 7.5.1
Mac OS ROM 8.4
Mac OS ROM 8.6.1
Mac OS ROM 9.7.1
Mac OS ROM 9.8.1 Custer
Mac OS ROM 9.5.1

I'm uploading it to my FTP folder...
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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2014, 01:15:14 PM »
from disk utility to toast, even cd-copy with the toast dvd extension and
many more apps but nothing has worked successfully for me, maybe
someone else may have been successful.

Why it can't work? ... what's the problem you found?
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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2014, 01:43:34 PM »
It will always ask for the disks mentioned with the
marks on the right side of the disk(2 circles) - if it
is a copy of the DVD it seems not to have these marks,
don't know how or why?

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2014, 09:43:26 PM »
i have been in contact with adam from oakbog.com and he says he has the discs and will make a copy for me. Thanks for telling me which version to look for.
I still have no idea how u could not be able to copy a dvd properly.. but then again.. when u tried to upload the some other discs they also didnt work.. so perhaps
theres some error you are making repeatedly..... seems strange.

maybe this has something to do with the "regional" copyright stuff that i posted about earlier.. using american media in Australia? i dont understand how all of that works
and i wasnt aware of it before.. but maybe thats the reason why..

i have asked him to confirm whether or not hes able to copy the disc + confirm that the copied disc works.. so i will post more once i hear back from him i guess

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2014, 09:45:19 PM »
This is what I have:

I'm uploading it to my FTP folder...

unfortunately u didnt list where the mac os roms were taken/sourced from..  :(

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2014, 07:24:13 AM »
ok the guys gotten back to me and he says his copy is a copy itself so there should be no reason why u cant make an image of the dvd Jakl.

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2014, 08:31:57 AM »

I still have no idea how u could not be able to copy a dvd properly.. but then again.. when u tried to upload the some other discs they also didnt work.. so perhaps
theres some error you are making repeatedly..... seems strange.

maybe this has something to do with the "regional" copyright stuff that i posted about earlier.. using american media in Australia? i dont understand how all of that works

Not at all. This is only applicable on DVD "commercial movie" format.

In my opinion, the Jakl system problems nothing has to do with the Mac Os Rom version ...

unfortunately u didnt list where the mac os roms were taken/sourced from..  :(

Because is irrelevant for me. Only Mac OS ROM 2.5.1 (for 8.6) and 10.2.1 (for 9.2) are important.
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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2014, 09:14:38 AM »
Even though, I only recommend Mac Os 9.2.2 and Mac Os ROM 10.2.1 (in the supported computers), This is the official Apple list, for archiving purposes and if someone wish to experiment:


The chart below matches the applicable Mac OS ROM file to the applicable Mac OS.

Mac OS Mac OS ROM Version
Mac OS 8.1 (iMac, Rev A Bundle) 1.1
iMac Update 1.0 1.1.2
Mac OS 8.5 (Retail CD) 1.1.2
Mac OS 8.5 (iMac, Rev B Bundle) 1.1.5
Power Macintosh G3 (Blue and White)
Mac OS 8.5.1 Bundle
1.2
Macintosh Server G3 (Blue and White)
Mac OS 8.5.1 Bundle
1.2
iMac Update 1.1 1.2.1
Mac OS 8.5.1 (Colors iMac 266 MHz Bundle) 1.2.1
Mac OS 8.6 (Retail CD) 1.4
Mac OS 8.6 (Colors iMac 333 MHz Bundle) 1.4
Power Macintosh G3 (Blue and White)
Mac OS 8.6 Bundle
1.4
Macintosh PowerBook G3 Series 8.6 Bundle 1.6
Mac OS ROM Update 1.0 1.6
Mac OS 8.6 bundled on Power Mac G4 (PCI) 1.7.1
Power Mac G4 ROM 1.8.1 Update 1.8.1
Mac OS 8.6 bundled on iMac (Slot Loading) 2.3.1
Mac OS 8.6 bundled on iBook 2.3.1
Mac OS 8.6 bundled on Power Mac G4 (AGP) 2.5.1
Mac OS 9.0 bundled on iBook 3.1.1
Mac OS 9.0 bundled on Power Mac G4 (AGP Graphics)/
iMac (Slot-Loading)
3.1.1
Mac OS 9.0 bundled on PowerBook G3 Bronze 3.0
Retail Mac OS 9.0 installed on iMac 3.0
Retail Mac OS 9.0 installed on Power Macintosh G3
(Blue and White)
3.0
Mac OS 9.0.2 bundled on Power Mac G4 (AGP) and iBook 3.5
Mac OS 9.0.2 installed on PowerBook (FireWire) 3.5
Mac OS 9.0.3 bundled on iMac (Slot Loading) 3.6
Mac OS 9.0.4 Retail/Software Update 3.7
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on PowerBook (FireWire) (Summer 2000)
(CPU software 2.4)
3.7
Ethernet Update 1.0 3.8
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on iMac (Summer 2000) 4.6.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on Power Mac G4 (Summer 2000) 4.6.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on Power Mac G4 MP (Summer 2000)
(CPU software 2.3)
4.9.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on Power Mac G4 (Gigabit Ethernet) 4.9.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on Power Mac G4 Cube (CPU software 2.4) 5.2.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on iBook (Summer 2000)
(CPU software 2.5)
5.3.1
Mac OS 9.0.4 installed on Power Mac G4 (with Radeon)
(CPU software 2.6)
5.5.1
Mac OS 9.1 installed on iMac (Early 2001) 7.5.1
Mac OS 9.1 installed on iMac (Summer 2001) 7.5.1
Mac OS 9.1 installed on Power Mac G4 (Digital Audio) 6.7.1
Mac OS 9.1 Update 6.1
Mac OS 9.2 installed on iMac (Summer 2001) 8.3.1
Mac OS 9.2 installed on Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver) 8.3.1
Mac OS 9.2.1 Update 8.4
Mac OS 9.2.1 installed on Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver) 8.4
Mac OS 9.2.2 Update 8.7
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on iMac (Summer 2001) 9.0.1
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on iMac (Flat Panel) 9.0.1
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on eMac 9.2.1
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver 2002) 9.0.1
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on PowerBook G4 (12-inch) Classic only. Cannot start up in Mac OS 9.
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on PowerBook G4 (17-inch) Classic only. Cannot start up in Mac OS 9.
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on Power Mac G4 (FW 800) Classic only. Cannot start up in Mac OS 9.
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on iMac (17-inch Flat Panel) 9.5.1
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on iMac (17-inch 1GHz) Classic only. Cannot start up in Mac OS 9.
Mac OS 9.2.2 installed on iMac (USB 2.0) Classic only. Cannot start up in Mac OS 9.


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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2014, 09:42:27 AM »
beautiful!   8)

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2014, 09:41:47 PM »
ive just restored + confirmed that the dvd for my mdd 2003 1.25ghz comes with mac os rom 10.1.1
(dvd contained 10.2.6 + mac os 9.2.2, same dvd that Jakl claimed he could not copy... ;D )



jakl claimed this disc installed 10.2.1 rom, but that is not what i got after installing i have 10.1.1 rom.
not sure if he has a slightly updated disc, or if he made a mistake? was 10.2.6 the final jaguar update?
nope...



i suppose its possible that they updated from mac os rom 10.1.1 to 10.2.1 sometime during may-september 2003, or perhaps the disc jakl has, if it indeed has 10.2.1, came out after september, and they just didnt bother to update the version of os x on the updated disc?
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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2014, 09:59:46 PM »
Quote
jakl claimed this disc installed 10.2.1 rom, but that is not what i got after installing i have 10.1.1 rom.
not sure if he has a slightly updated disc, or if he made a mistake? was 10.2.6 the final jaguar update?
nope...

Chris, I don't know what disk set you acquired, but Jakl did not make a mistake; remember, The "OS9 Fresh drag install" I created was from an initial install of the Set that came with the MDD 2003 and the ROM version is definitely 10.2.1.  I have about 15 original disk sets that came straight from the box (all from 2003 MDD Single 1.25) and they all match exactly and extract a ROM version 10.2.1.

OS 9.2.2 and Mac OS X 10.3.2

I will look at my Sets for 2003 MDD tomorrow... but here I think they match this (even Though they are Single CPU Models)
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My MDD DP 1.25 2003 shipped new with 10.3.2 on it. AHT version 2.0.2. Is this the part number, 691-4872-A? That's the only thing on it that looks like a part number. The second disk has 2Z691-4873-A on it.

This thread explains some differences in the sets that shipped with the MDD 2003, but they are baffled also

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2714459?tstart=0

Lastly, this list (although obviously never updated) indicates that your set originally shipped with 2002 MDDs, but your disk has "2003" printed on it, So I can only guess they reprinted the 2002 set in early 2003 and then later replaced it with a newer set (9.2.2 and 10.3.2) in later 2003
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT2191

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2014, 09:03:25 PM »
i was given a disc image from adam rosen from oakbog technology (http://www.vintagemacmuseum.com/)
its a 3gb dvd that is bootable + installable, it installs jaguar 10.2.6

theres a link to us on his page: http://vintagemacmuseum.com/resources/mac-software/

i can only guess that there was a few versions of the same 10.2.6 .. i guess the rom was updated sometime during 2003 from 10.1.1 to 10.2.1 and that the disc i have acquired is the former version

i just tried to verify if there were any other macs that came with 10.2.6
http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-sort/
10.2.6 isnt even listed on everymac.com's mac sort under "original mac os "

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Re: CD-Copy 2.0.3e and Macos ROM 10.2.1
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2014, 12:32:07 AM »
Chris the install CD/DVD's were all progressive installs depending on the
system available when the computers were released. Another method
for Apple to keep all new computers using the most current operating
system without any backward compatibility with lower system versions I guess.

Anyway the DVD that I received with my MDD in 2003 was the one in the photo
I put up in a previous post. It was  special order at the time - I acquired a MDD
with dual 1.25 instead of a single 1.25, so I am not sure whether the DVD I
received was a special order as well. I hope that settles the install DVD story.

Now for the reason behind this post - acquired a powerbook titanium 667mhz
a couple of days a go - installked the general install with macos ROM 10.2.1
and installed a few apps - to my surprise CD-Copy worked!! WEIRD. Anyway
back to the drawing board - more tests to do. May take a while busy till X-mas.