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sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« on: September 13, 2014, 03:35:36 AM »

https://archive.org/stream/generalmanual_000021196/generalmanual_000021196_djvu.txt

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Sound Blaster Live! for Macintosh is the top audio solution for games, movies, CDs, MP3 music, and
Internet entertainment. With its support for today's leading audio standard — EAX technology — Sound
Blaster Live ! creates real-life, multidimensional sound and multi-textured acoustical environments for the
most realistic audio experience. Its powerful EMU10K1 audio processor delivers audio at optimum CPU
performance with the highest fidelity and absolute clarity.

id never heard of this..
but it may be only for mac os x..
http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ArticleID=5860

another reference - ok this one confirms mac os 9! (and 8.6)
http://eshop.macsales.com/Descriptions/cre7000487503000.html

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System Requirements

Minimum Configuration

    Power Macintosh® 120-MHz 603e
    Mac™ OS 8.6
    32MB RAM for Mac OS 8.6; 64MB RAM for Mac OS 9.x

Recommended Configuration

    Power Macintosh G3 or G4
    Mac OS 9.x
    128MB RAM

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Feature / Description

    Synthesizer Chip / EMU 10K1
    Synthesizer Type / Wavetable (Scalable PCI)
    Polyphony 64 (with 8-point interpolation)
    Sample Sets 2, 4 and 8MB
    Synthesizer Effect Reverb
    MIDI Channels 32
    Duplex Type Full Duplex
    Max. Recording Depth 16-bit
    Max. Recording Rate 48 KHz
    Max. Playback Depth 16-bit
    Max. Playback Rate 48 KHz
    Signal-to-Noise Ratio >96 dB
    Soundfont Support Yes
    Built-in Amplifier No
    Digital Out Yes
    Microphone In Yes
    Line In Yes
    Line Out (Front)/Headphone Out Yes
    Line Out (Rear) Yes
    MIDI Port Yes
    4 Speaker Support Yes
    Digital DIN Yes (Supports Cambridge SoundWorks FourPointSurround and DeskTopTheater speakers)
    EAX Support Yes
    QuickTime Support Yes (Includes hardware accelerated MIDI synthesizer)
    MIDI Interface Yes
    Support for real-time digital effects Yes
    Full bass, treble and volume Yes
    OMS Compatibility Yes (OMS Included in box)
    Hardware based digital sampler Yes (via SoundFont synthesizer engine)
    Macintosh OS 8.6 Yes
    Macintosh OS 9.0 through 9.1 Yes
    Macintosh OS X NA


i see no mention of ASIO?

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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2014, 04:30:15 AM »
Despite the marketing. It was a bad quality card at its time...
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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2014, 10:46:19 PM »
Yes Mactron is quite correct, I remeber that the internal G4 Sawtooth Sound manager actually sounded better… but I did use one of these in a Jam with a DA G4 for an analog in… nothing special by any means… I don't think it even did 24 Bit… so an M-Audio Transit USB is a better solution

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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2014, 12:38:51 PM »
And according to xlr8yourmac or some related site, it's too buggy for daily use since creative never made good drivers for it (same goes to PC version). Random lockups are likely to happen and games run slower. I have the PC version here around somewhere and tried it on my mac once, but I guess the drivers didn't recognize it. Too bad they never made an Audigy 2 for Mac, that was a great card.

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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2014, 12:46:11 PM »
hey i never knew it even existed for mac .. period

it may not be top tier ubt
the sound blaster live has some unique features..
not many other sound cards have built in synthesizer chip etc

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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2014, 12:21:04 AM »

Likely relevant to the users of this forum, but I did some investigating and found out that you can use the Creative Sound Blaster Live! for Macintosh drivers with a PC version of the card. I've put together a guide over on ThinkClassic:

https://www.thinkclassic.org/viewtopic.php?id=297

Go ahead and archive it if you like.


I'm still using a Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver) here, which as we know lacks any kind of Audio In port entirely. With the Sound Blaster Live, the machine now has more audio inputs than I could ever possibly know what to do with. ;D


Cheers,

iMic.

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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2014, 07:22:59 AM »
awesome work iMic!!! as usual!  8)
and incredible illustration + walk through!!
REALLY glad to have your presence here.

i wonder if the game port works for midi on the mac aswell?
that would make this the a very cheap way to get midi ports on the mac!

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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2014, 08:40:30 AM »
Wow!
awesome work iMic!!! as usual!  8)
and incredible illustration + walk through!!
REALLY glad to have your presence here.

Absolutely, I Am fully agree.

I've tested this mod with a SB Live 5.1 and it worked!.
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i wonder if the game port works for midi on the mac aswell?
that would make this the a very cheap way to get midi ports on the mac!

I couldn't test the MIDI in/out because I haven't found the connector yet...

but:


... the built in synthesizer work well, so the MIDI port should work also.
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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2014, 11:28:41 AM »
Looking for MacOS 9.2.4

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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2014, 05:02:45 PM »
i had this cable that i bought way back in the late 90s
and i threw it out about a few weeks before i started coming on macos9lives.com
thinking i would never ever use it again lol

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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2014, 05:54:39 PM »
OK, this is getting ridiculous, iMic points out this shit like it's obvious (and it should be). I have been working with these cards since the ISA versions and I cannot believe I was too stupid to try this out with an original PCI PC Sound Blaster in the past.  This would have saved the day when I was selling extremely low end DAWs to poor musicians that could not afford any of our stock configurations.  Again, iMic, this is so logical, so awesome, and so absolutely obvious, that I am at a loss for words... I guess, Long Live King iMic should cover it.

It will be interesting to test the many various flavors of the "Sound Blaster Live"

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The Dell Sound Blaster live did not have the full capabilities of the retail versions.  It used a different audio chip, not EMU10K1 but EMU10K1X, that is noticeably smaller with fewer pins. The chip does not accelerate DirectSound in hardware, nor EAX. The sale of this board by Dell created some controversy because it was not obviously marketed as an inferior or cheaper product. The card can be identified by its part number (SB0200/0203).

So as iMic pointed out with his post, I would avoid the Dell version and there are tons of them around so be careful, Make sure the card you get does not have SB0200 or SB0203 on it

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The Live! Value (also known as Live! 1024) is identical to the full Live! with the exception that it has color-coded plastic connectors instead of gold and does not include the extended digital I/O card. The original Sound Blaster Live! had a proprietary 9-pin mini-DIN connector for digital output that Creative referred to as the "Mini Din." This connector allowed the use of a microphone and digital speakers at the same time. This cannot be done with the value and base models of all subsequent Creative sound cards, as they share a single port for S/PDIF digital in/output and microphone connectivity. The Mini-DIN connection was not included in any subsequent Sound Blaster product, however owners of speaker systems that use this as the only digital input may buy an adapter from Creative.

Plastic connectors, just plain suck (and break), so even though the Value line will work according to iMic... the original is so dirt cheap, maybe even free in some cases, that I would recommend tracking down an original.


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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2014, 08:09:23 PM »

this is making me sentimental for my awe64 gold that i coveted back in the day
the card that i did own.. it actually came with the appropriate midi cable i think... in the box
either that or i bought it specifically for this card... i loved the sound from this card ALOT
i thought it was insanely good.. must have been 1997 or 1998 when i got it

coincidentally ive just installed windows 3.11 for workgroups
in my pentium III abit be6 intel 440bx board .. i had to pull most of the memory out to get it to boot (256mb limit!)
and i finally got the mouse working! and the TNT2 graphics drivers installed... ;D
dos 6.22 + wfw3.11 can be downloaded from my site i found them posted on another site!
www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?board=13.0

and now im playing a little http://minesweeperonline.com/#
lol just kidding;)

trying to get it online now:
http://www.yale.edu/pclt/WINWORLD/WFWG311.HTM

was there a pci version of the awe64?
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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2014, 08:23:30 PM »


something i has posted about on my first version of oldschooldaw site that got overrun with spam:

this is an addon panel that gives proper midi ports (under the live drive logo on the right) for use with proper midi cables .. very handy


here we see spdif ports.. midi ports.. headphone monitor out.. line/mic in.. all conveniently located + accessible
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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2014, 01:43:30 AM »
http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/index.php?catid=3
found this driver resource for really ancient pc drivers of the sound blaster cards
it has some of the original sound blaster live cds posted!

was it ever possible to stack more then one live card in a machine? on mac or pc?

also you guys mention this SBxxxx identifier.. how do these identifiers correspond to the CTxxxx identifiers?
maybe its best to just look for one that looks like the one on the mac box (colors on the ports)
yellow/blue/red/green/black + yellow game port
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_Live!
theres a lot of diff versions
+ there was a retail lower version called the sb live "value" (ct4830?)

the dell cards always have the "green" cd in connector?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_Live!#mediaviewer/File:Sblivedelloem.jpg
ok sorry its TAD not CD IN.. and its marked as 2002
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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2014, 12:08:33 PM »
was it ever possible to stack more then one live card in a machine? on mac or pc?

Yes You can. But none of them work.
... at least on mac.
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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2014, 09:18:17 AM »
It will be interesting to test the many various flavors of the "Sound Blaster Live"

I have tested a couple of cards model 220: Sound Blaster Live 5.1 digital. One Id: 102a and other id: 8066.



Both have worked well, but both have problems with "sound" control panel version 8.5.8 especially the id 102a. The problems seems to disappear if using a lower version of this control panel. I have successfully tested the version 8.1.1 of the "sound" control panel.
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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2014, 06:21:29 AM »
some history:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1996_articles/dec96/creativelabs.html

article from soundblaster in 1996 on the release of the awe64 gold!

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Re: sound blaster live! for macintosh???
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2014, 03:40:07 AM »
http://www.macworld.com/article/1002536/soundblaster.html

http://forums.macnn.com/57/consumer-hardware-and-components/31101/soundblaster-live-ive-got-one/
here user "macmel" talks about her sound blaster installation experience with a g3

mac os x users can also use these drivers
http://www.kxproject.com/down.php
for sblive with mac os x
i think

(if u have a dual boot X|9 g4 like me)

heres the sblive! for mac manual
http://ccftp.creative.com/Manuals/TSD/2430/MacLive.pdf
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